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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #1742
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Arghus wrote: »
    Yes, people will die but the idea is trying to prevent as much death as you possibly can.

    So why aren't we testing everyone for diabetes/heart disease. How many lives would a national screening program saved over the last 10yrs.
    We're trying to prevent a disease so we can manage the existing ones. How about trying to prevent the ones that are killing people today.
    The US for all it's mess of it, covid is not the biggest burden, it's number 3.


  • #1743
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    But The root cause is a mild illness that doesn’t impact the huge majority of the country.

    It’s a huge over reaction. One that will destroy the country.

    It's irrelevant if it doesn't effect the huge majority of the population. The problem is that there are enough people out there that it can effect, how infectious it is and, because of that, how it can overwhelm your health system if you don't take action. And if that's out of action you are pretty much goosed and that has huge knock on ramifications for society as a whole. Much, much worse than what we are dealing with now.

    I don't accept that the country has been destroyed. These are tough, tough times but we haven't been destroyed.


  • #1744
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Arghus wrote: »
    It's irrelevant if it doesn't effect the huge majority of the population. The problem is that there are enough people out there that it can effect, how infectious it is and, because of that, how it can overwhelm your health system if you don't take action. And if that's out of action you are pretty much goosed and that has huge knock on ramifications for society as a whole. Much, much worse than what we are dealing with now.

    I don't accept that the country has been destroyed. These are tough, tough times but we haven't been destroyed.

    It hasn't been destroyed but it will be if we go back into lock down. Its out of our control anyway, people have had enough and will just try to live with it.


  • #1745
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Arghus wrote: »
    It's irrelevant if it doesn't effect the huge majority of the population. The problem is that there are enough people out there that it can effect, how infectious it is and, because of that, how it can overwhelm your health system if you don't take action. And if that's out of action you are pretty much goosed and that has huge knock on ramifications for society as a whole. Much, much worse than what we are dealing with now.

    I don't accept that the country has been destroyed. These are tough, tough times but we haven't been destroyed.

    Do you believe we have to keep doing lockdown no matter the cost to future generations?

    How many years of lockdown?

    I believe if another lockdown happens, all public servants that are not front line and cant do their job a 100% should lose their wage like the private sector.


  • #1746
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Well, if you're happy to go live in a place like China and surrender your human rights just to avoid the small chance you may get a virus....go for it..

    What would happen if the
    Police came around and hammered nails into your apartment door to keep you inside.
    If you were spotted outside your home get dragged into the back of a van and be taken off kicking and screaming to a state hospital.
    If and when you did get released then be subject to police surveillance, harassment and persecution.
    Get banned from seeing your family and communicating with them and the outside world if you made any comments criticizing the government.
    Have your family harassed by police also if they try contact you while they held you in 14 day quarantine.

    So I get they don't care about human rights.
    Why go to such lengths to protect the populous at the expense of their amazing economy?

    Why would they do that?


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  • #1747
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Its out of our control anyway, people have had enough and will just try to live with it.

    This illness is only dangerous in nursing home settings.

    The meat plants were the ideal test petri dish and nearly all positive cases were asymptomatic.

    The workers had Covid but were not sick enough to miss work.


  • #1748
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It hasn't been destroyed but it will be if we go back into lock down. Its out of our control anyway, people have had enough and will just try to live with it.

    Cities were indiscriminately bombed in WW2 fire bombed and levelled but people got on with it and life moved on.


  • #1749
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    It's irrelevant if it doesn't effect the huge majority of the population. The problem is that there are enough people out there that it can effect, how infectious it is and, because of that, how it can overwhelm your health system if you don't take action. And if that's out of action you are pretty much goosed and that has huge knock on ramifications for society as a whole. Much, much worse than what we are dealing with now.

    I don't accept that the country has been destroyed. These are tough, tough times but we haven't been destroyed.

    Not destroyed yet.

    But businesses are seriously struggling. If restrictions and lockdowns continue for several more months or even longer, god knows what kind of country we’ll be left with.

    How much tax will we paying to fund the country and the ever growing number of unemployed.


  • #1750
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not destroyed yet.

    But businesses are seriously struggling. If restrictions and lockdowns continue for several more months or even longer, god knows what kind of country we’ll be left with.

    How much tax will we paying to fund the country and the ever growing number of unemployed.

    Tax receipts are on a par with last year and expected to improve further for the remainder of the year. Tax rates are also not expected to rise for at least 2 years, if at all. Money is not an issue at the moment. Source - very senior official in revenue


  • #1751
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not destroyed yet.

    But businesses are seriously struggling. If restrictions and lockdowns continue for several more months or even longer, god knows what kind of country we’ll be left with.

    How much tax will we paying to fund the country and the ever growing number of unemployed.

    Restrictions will continue indefinitely. There's simply no way they'll be lifted until the threat posed by the virus changes somehow. It's not going to happen until then. And there isn't a human being on planet earth that can give you an end date on that.

    This is what "living with the virus" entails.


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  • #1752
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Tax receipts are on a par with last year and expected to improve further for the remainder of the year. Tax rates are also not expected to rise for at least 2 years, if at all. Money is not an issue at the moment. Source - very senior official in revenue

    I would take that with a pinch of salt


  • #1753
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    Restrictions will continue indefinitely. There's simply no way they'll be lifted until the threat posed by the virus changes somehow. It's not going to happen until then. And there isn't a human being on planet earth that can give you an end date on that.

    This is what "living with the virus" entails.

    That sounds more like letting the world burn in a weird attempt to “protect” lives.

    The reason people even live into their 80s is due to a strong economy and good standard of living.

    It’s madness how much we are prepared to burn to stop this mild virus.

    Is any consideration been given to the kids?


  • #1754
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Tax receipts are on a par with last year and expected to improve further for the remainder of the year. Tax rates are also not expected to rise for at least 2 years, if at all. Money is not an issue at the moment. Source - very senior official in revenue

    any chance seeing that data?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2032f-july-exchequer-returns-demonstrate-scale-of-fiscal-challenge-in-line-with-expectations-donohoe/


  • #1755
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    So I get they don't care about human rights.
    Why go to such lengths to protect the populous at the expense of their amazing economy?
    Why would they do that?

    Ask the Uyghurs in North West China...


  • #1756
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The Belly wrote: »
    I would take that with a pinch of salt

    Well they didn’t appear to by lying to me when they said we were well funded with no revenue issues and were ok as long as there is a vaccine or effective treatment within 2 years. Sounded like they had been though the mill for the last month finalising the projections however.


  • #1757
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That sounds more like letting the world burn in a weird attempt to “protect” lives.

    The reason people even live into their 80s is due to a strong economy and good standard of living.

    It’s madness how much we are prepared to burn to stop this mild virus.

    Is any consideration been given to the kids?

    What do you think will happen if restrictions are lifted?


  • #1758
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    any chance seeing that data?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2032f-july-exchequer-returns-demonstrate-scale-of-fiscal-challenge-in-line-with-expectations-donohoe/

    2.5% is margin of error for during the year and 2019 was a record year far beyond expectations


  • #1759
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Deleted User wrote: »
    2.5% is margin of error for during the year and 2019 was a record year far beyond expectations

    Lol soft landing:)


  • #1760
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not destroyed yet.

    But businesses are seriously struggling. If restrictions and lockdowns continue for several more months or even longer, god knows what kind of country we’ll be left with.

    How much tax will we paying to fund the country and the ever growing number of unemployed.

    Most of the world is in exactly the same boat. Going by some of the absolute off the wall stuff that is posted on here and the other threads in this forum people would think that Ireland is acting in complete contrast to the rest of Europe and beyond which is not the case at all. Anyway leaving that aside for the moment before you went on your break you stated that you had been in contact with some of your local TDs to express your views about the Irish government response to the virus. Are you still doing that?


  • #1761
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Arghus wrote: »
    Restrictions will continue indefinitely. There's simply no way they'll be lifted until the threat posed by the virus changes somehow. It's not going to happen until then. And there isn't a human being on planet earth that can give you an end date on that.

    This is what "living with the virus" entails.

    It will change when the country runs out of money


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  • #1762
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    average_runner wrote: »
    It will change when the country runs out of money

    And fast


  • #1763
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,333 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    would think that Ireland is acting in complete contrast to the rest of Europe and beyond which is not the case at all.

    Yes it is, EU travel for one...
    Pubs for another...
    I'm sure there's more..


  • #1764
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Deleted User wrote: »
    2.5% is margin of error for during the year and 2019 was a record year far beyond expectations

    who was the senior official? on this list?

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/statutory-obligations/regulation-of-lobbying-act/designated-officers.aspx


  • #1765
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Arghus wrote: »
    What do you think will happen if restrictions are lifted?

    But the restrictions in place are on businesses where no cases were recorded. Meat factories were allowed to return to work.

    We need to tackle the source and not the easy target to score points


  • #1766
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    who was the senior official? on this list?

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/statutory-obligations/regulation-of-lobbying-act/designated-officers.aspx

    I would like to know too.


  • #1767
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not destroyed yet.

    But businesses are seriously struggling. If restrictions and lockdowns continue for several more months or even longer, god knows what kind of country we’ll be left with.

    How much tax will we paying to fund the country and the ever growing number of unemployed.


    While I understand your concern about the economy public health has to be a priority during this time.

    Hospital numbers of Covid patients is currently low which is great news and allows the health service to treat day to day patients. This is very important as I hope you can agree. If Covid hospitaliasions increase it limits the capacity of the healthcare service.

    Onto the economy I think it's a delicate risk based balancing act on what to open and personally feel the current balance is about right.

    Would genuinely like your opinion on what restrictions you would lift tomorrow to benefit the economy. My own would be to allow regular pubs to open with table service and reduced numbers or promotion of pubs teaming up with restaurants to provide food and benefit two businesses.


  • #1768
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    What do you think will happen if restrictions are lifted?

    Nothing more than what is happening now.
    Pubs, restaurants, cinemas, shopping centres etc have no impact on factories.

    We need to find out were the illness spreads and find ways to prevent it without stopping life.

    We need to prevent it getting into nursing homes at all costs. Put better conditions in place in the factories . Stop flights from America.

    Easier said than done of course. But blaming pubs and popular destinations for the spread when it’s not true is silly.


  • #1769
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    who was the senior official? on this list?

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/statutory-obligations/regulation-of-lobbying-act/designated-officers.aspx

    Yes


  • #1770
    Spiderman0081
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Well they didn’t appear to by lying to me when they said we were well funded with no revenue issues and were ok as long as there is a vaccine or effective treatment within 2 years. Sounded like they had been though the mill for the last month finalising the projections however.
    Any chance they have worked for the Lehman Brothers?


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  • #1771
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Spiderman0081 wrote: »
    Any chance they have worked for the Lehman Brothers?

    :)


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