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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #4532
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    upupup wrote: »
    There is also a case in cahir meat factory that was not added and this will probably lead to more testing and cases
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40033649.html

    I couldn't cahir less.


  • #4533
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    For sure testing was deliberately repressed via non realistic screening criteria and numbers far higher than reported.
    This Is however pure speculation with t-cell thrown in to sound more credible.

    Keep playing to the gallery and we shall see what the winter brings. The trend is fairly clear even with all the measures adopted and it's not even September. Hoping the A-team t-cells come out in force and save us from the pandemic.

    What fecking gallery?

    I have said numerous times Im on the fence re T cells. I put it in as "Ah but T cells etc..." is a favoured response.

    I am just doing sums. The sums make sense to me. It is not an attempt to belittle covid danger. I think it is a nasty disease that left run rampant would kill 0.65% of the people who get it, and a lot would get it as it is a novel virus and very contagious.

    But I also believe in truth and logic. And logically the numbers are very low now compared to when we locked down during exponential growth.


  • #4534
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE Operations report

    18 paitents with confirmed covid in hosptial, down 1 from yesterday.

    8 of those in ICU (No Change) , 4 on ventilators (down 1), no ICU deaths recorded.

    2 cases confirmed in hospitals today, 1 in Tallaght, 1 in Drogheda


  • #4535
    Dayor Knight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Dayor Knight


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Leo , Simon and Tony kept us all on our toes
    Where is MM when the numbers are rising and anxiety increasing ?
    No leadership , no one around who gives a toss

    Yes, and and Leo accelerated us out of the restrictions just before he handed over the reins to MM. Nice move that, intended to make himself look good, knowing that MM would have to deal with the bad news once the numbers started getting bad again. I.m.o.


  • #4536
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    eagle eye wrote: »

    We got to a great place about six weeks ago. If we didn't change anything we'd still be there. Gotta roll things back to where they were then. The big issue is the money men who don't like people being at home not producing for them. They want their cash regardless and if a few hundred thousand extra die worldwide they don't care.

    People need to get away from letting money rule their lives. As long as you do that you aren't really having a great life.

    And how do you think the health service is funded? By bartering?! :rolleyes:


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  • #4537
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    One thing people seem to be forgetting when they are comparing April and March to now is the limited number of tests back then and the high percentage of people being tested almost certainly having it.

    We got to a great place about six weeks ago. If we didn't change anything we'd still be there. Gotta roll things back to where they were then. The big issue is the money men who don't like people being at home not producing for them. They want their cash regardless and if a few hundred thousand extra die worldwide they don't care.

    People need to get away from letting money rule their lives. As long as you do that you aren't really having a great life.

    I'm one of those being very careful and being mixed up with a doom monger on occasion. I have hope that things will eventually be sorted but I'm thinking it'll be next March or April unfortunately. You need to get the government to a position where they have no choice but to bend to the will of the people and we aren't there yet. It'll take another cluster**** or three before they feel obliged to do the right thing. Then we can get on the right path and finally get rid of this thing.

    And for anybody saying that becoming Covid free is pie in the sky. You to me are the type of person that gives up. It's clearly possible and it just takes everybody working off the same hymn sheet to make it happen.

    The very low rate of asymptomatic cases from back then tells us we we missing far more than detecting. Symptomatic people also found it very difficult to get a test. It is without doubt that we were only detecting a small proportion of cases


  • #4538
    [Deleted User]
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    HSE Operations report

    18 paitents with confirmed covid in hosptial, down 1 from yesterday.

    8 of those in ICU (No Change) , 4 on ventilators (down 1), no ICU deaths recorded.

    2 cases confirmed in hospitals today, 1 in Tallaght, 1 in Drogheda

    That’s 2 out of 136 suspected cases yes?


  • #4539
    Beanybabog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That’s 2 out of 136 suspected cases yes?

    I don’t think so- I think the 136 are the leftovers. Like plenty more people admitted to hospital for various reasons were tested with very fast results- I think the 136 are the ones with no results in yet. (Someone explained it on the thread recently and I think that’s how it works)


  • #4540
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    upupup wrote: »
    There is also a case in cahir meat factory that was not added and this will probably lead to more testing and cases
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40033649.html

    There was but as far as I know the cases announced each evening were the number of case up to midday each day. So the case in Cahir may not have come to light until after midday and should be included in tomorrow's figures. The 18 additional cases in Golden were confirmed by a local TD yesterday evening, so absolutely should have been included in this evening's figures.


  • #4541
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,232 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Leo , Simon and Tony kept us all on our toes
    Where is MM when the numbers are rising and anxiety increasing ?
    No leadership , no one around who gives a toss

    As much as I disliked some of the decisions of the old regime, I have to say the new regime is terrible.
    They are woeful communicators, really really woeful.


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  • #4542
    mloc123
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    Boggles wrote: »
    If we had 10,000 cases a day for 2 months or even part of 2 months that would translate at the most conservative estimate to 100-200 hospitalizations a day.

    It would have crashed emergency care.

    We HAD 1-200 admissions a day in April


  • #4543
    tabby aspreme
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    Frankie19 wrote: »
    Yeah the Mushroom factory is a strange one. the Journal is reporting 29 positives from the factory albeit not all test results are back yet out of the 170 staff. Yet people on here seem to think positive number is alot higher from the factory.

    The artificial climate in the mushroom growing houses, would be ideal for spreading the virus.


  • #4544
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    I don’t think so- I think the 136 are the leftovers. Like plenty more people admitted to hospital for various reasons were tested with very fast results- I think the 136 are the ones with no results in yet. (Someone explained it on the thread recently and I think that’s how it works)

    If you are admitted to a hospital for non Covid issues you are tested. As we obviously don't want a positive person in a ward with general patients. These are the suspected number, which is a nonsense categorisation.


  • #4545
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,861 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    normanoffside wrote: »
    As much as I disliked some of the decisions of the old regime, I have to say the new regime is terrible.
    They are woeful communicators, really really woeful.

    I agree, Martin isn’t a great communicator, the whole administration needs to up their game in that regard.


  • #4546
    caveat emptor
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    Gruffalox wrote: »
    What fecking gallery?

    I have said numerous times Im on the fence re T cells. I put it in as "Ah but T cells etc..." is a favoured response.

    I am just doing sums. The sums make sense to me. It is not an attempt to belittle covid danger. I think it is a nasty disease that left run rampant would kill 0.65% of the people who get it, and a lot would get it as it is a novel virus and very contagious.

    But I also believe in truth and logic. And logically the numbers are very low now compared to when we locked down during exponential growth.

    Fair enough.

    Why do you think that China still hasn't reopened. Despite it being negligible on a per capita basis.

    They are only allowing foreigners who had residency permits apply for a visa since August 10th.

    Any arrivals have to quarantine for 14 days and test negative (not or).

    Do you think they are over reacting or do you think that they know something that we don't. After all there not exactly benevolent in terms go human rights. Why go to these lengths to keep out such a harmless disease?

    Communism could compete with capitalism economically.
    Capitalism can't compete with communism collaboratively.


  • #4547
    froog
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    donnelly and martin are just terrible. both give the impression of purely career politicians. at least leo and harris gave a decent impression of people who gave a ****.


  • #4548
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    froog wrote: »
    donnelly and martin are just terrible. both give the impression of purely career politicians. at least leo and harris gave a decent impression of people who gave a ****.

    MM reminds me of a caretaker manager of a soccer team who are destined for relegation. His only real credentials being he’s worked there for 30 years.


  • #4549
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭growleaves


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    0 deaths
    56 new cases

    0 deaths ACE?

    What are you trying to imply? Stop downplaying this thing. I'm wise to all your tricks.


  • #4550
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    growleaves wrote: »
    0 deaths ACE?

    What are you trying to imply? Stop downplaying this thing. I'm wise to all your tricks.

    If only there was a denotification and he could have reported a resurrection.


  • #4551
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,088 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    froog wrote: »
    donnelly and martin are just terrible. both give the impression of purely career politicians. at least leo and harris gave a decent impression of people who gave a ****.

    What **** did they give, destroyed the country the pair of them, how Harris still has a job is beyond me, he made a complete and utter screw up of the health service. How's his hospital coming along? We're all about saving lives, no we're not we ended 6,666 potential ones last year. I'd tar and feather the pair of them.


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  • #4552
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,861 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    froog wrote: »
    donnelly and martin are just terrible. both give the impression of purely career politicians. at least leo and harris gave a decent impression of people who gave a ****.

    I don’t think it’s accurate to accuse any of them of not giving a shît... problem with Leo was he was too busy trying to focus on looking after the business person and their interests first and foremost.. priorities totally skewed...

    Martin just lacks the charismatic details and get up and go toughness of a leader. Seems like a decent guy but I’d not be confident he’d have the stones to ‘take on’ the self interest business gang, Leo does, but doesn’t want to....he is despite being a medical guy... of a money monkey mindset.


  • #4553
    fritzelly
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    If only there was a denitrification and he could have reported a resurrection.

    New word for the day


  • #4554
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,138 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    What **** did they give, destroyed the country the pair of them, how Harris still has a job is beyond me, he made a complete and utter screw up of the health service. How's his hospital coming along? We're all about saving lives, no we're not we ended 6,666 potential ones last year. I'd tar and feather the pair of them.

    Whats this about?


  • #4555
    JanuarySnowstor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    In fairness to both Varadkar and Harris they were exceptional through the covid situation and are greatly missed. Varadkar is exceptional in public speaking, as a leader one of the greats! Tony Holohan equally so. 3 leaders now greatly missed.
    Saying that MM deserves time and he's from Cork which means he has one great quality!!


  • #4556
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    New word for the day

    Having terrible trouble with autocorrect this evening, two many posts to reply to and not enough time to proof read


  • #4557
    Beanybabog
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    Whats this about?

    Abortions I assume


  • #4558
    [Deleted User]
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    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    Saying that MM deserves time and he's from Cork which means he has one great quality!!

    He managed to get out?


  • #4559
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,138 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    Abortions I assume

    Ah jaysus thought it was something someway relevant. Not that shoehorn again.


  • #4560
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    MM reminds me of a caretaker manager of a soccer team who are destined for relegation. His only real credentials being he’s worked there for 30 years.
    Terry Connor at Wolves comes to mind with your analogy.

    The previous Government were very good at a coherent, well drilled message. For all the flack Leo got about his "Strategic Communications Unit", they could very well do with one right now. Something to give a consistent message and reassure the country about the situation were' in.


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  • #4561
    Strumms
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    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    In fairness to both Varadkar and Harris they were exceptional through the covid situation and are greatly missed. Varadkar is exceptional in public speaking, as a leader one of the greats! Tony Holohan equally so. 3 leaders now greatly missed.
    Saying that MM deserves time and he's from Cork which means he has one great quality!!

    Varadkar is a more charismatic speaker but is a human of no substance. Slow out of the blocks, profit before people AND health...we had the wrong guy holding the whip when the shît hit the fan.

    I think a criticism of the present administration though is in relation to communication, that needs to improve.


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