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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #3632
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    6 months on and we have, by some distance, the worst conspiracy theory on this thread

    insanity

    Just the tip of the iceberg. Some thrive on daily staple of conspiracy theories :D


  • #3633
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Think we were about 220 billion in debt going into this, must be hitting the 300 billion mark by now.

    It is monopoly money and we will pay it back over centuries like every other country. I wouldn't be too concerned personally.


  • #3634
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Why omit the part where the safety issues are mentioned? There's a huge part of the message which is missing there, so the article does not accurately indicate the failings of our planned school reopening. If we accept things as they are, we're all complicit in this trainwreck. We can only hope to jaysis that NPHET does the right thing this week.

    Surely everyone knows there will be a large spike of infections when the schools open. It will probably take at least a couple of months to adapt and learn the best way to run schools in this pandemic.

    The schools have to open now though. If not then they will have to close permanently (unless an effective vaccine is produced in the future).

    What can NPHET do other than recommending the schools just stay shut with no opening date proposed.


  • #3635
    Humberto Salazar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So what is Govt. goal now? Is it still 'flatten the curve' (aren't we reasonably flat?) Or is it practical elimination strategy?

    Originally we were told the goal was not to overwhelm the health services, and the original phases I understood to be in keeping with that ie that there was an acceptance that we'd live with a few cases once we had it under control.

    But now we're keeping things closed even those that didn't contribute to case problems. Like we are afraid of cases going up, rather than managing that situation as and if/when it occurs.

    It isn't going to be eliminated, at least not for at least a year until a vaccine comes out and proves itself. Maybe another five years of this. We've got to open up. Protect the vulnerable yes, but it's got to run through the population over a period of years to stop health system overload. If realism is this governments shortfall, they need a big dose of it now.


  • #3636
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    How much has this all cost us compared to the last recession we had? Am I right in thinking we were €69 billion in debt? It’s hard to understand the sheer amount of debt we were in

    Every life matters. Except the 10s of 1000s who are going die from lack of treatment due to cutbacks to an already shoddy medical system. Nobody will count or obsess on that death toll though.


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  • #3637
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Luckily we can print euros or we'd be rightly fvcked. Now if you are scared of debt don't look at Italy or Spain, look at Germany though.

    Thank Mario Draghi for doing "whatever it takes" to save the euro.

    I feel immensely reassured by this message. The Green Party leader is being consulted. FFS blame spreading.
    Not!

    https://twitter.com/MichealMartinTD/status/1294983504472793088?s=20

    I'm sure MM will equally tweet that he is a lot less concerned about today's figures. He's hardly going to only tweet about his concerns surely. Surely not.


  • #3638
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    jackboy wrote: »
    Surely everyone knows there will be a large spike of infections when the schools open. It will probably take at least a couple of months to adapt and learn the best way to run schools in this pandemic.

    The schools have to open now though. If not then they will have to close permanently (unless an effective vaccine is produced in the future).

    What can NPHET do other than recommending the schools just stay shut with no opening date proposed.

    Yeah I don't know if it really will take that long. Physical distancing is necessary. Where it hasn't been done properly there has been outbreaks.
    Luckily teachers are not meat factory bosses and realise that 1 meter does not equal 2 meters.

    We are a long way off below but still.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1294871147104940033?s=20


  • #3639
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Remember the gov reports are 2 days behind so that 16 was associated with the Friday number of 200 , 13 were associated with Clusters / close contacts and 146 are/were still being worked on

    Just saying that the final community transmission numbers will be higher as it seems to take a week or more to resolve all the 'possibles'.

    That looks like the pattern in the 'How is the virus being transmitted slide' from Philip Nolan.

    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1290403171865681920


  • #3640
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Might not of been

    https://twitter.com/TipperaryLive/status/1295039625610670081?s=19

    The factories are a bit beyond the joke now tbh, everyones on about the pubs and gatherings but another big factory cluster


  • #3641
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah I don't know if it really will take that long. Physical distancing is necessary. Where it hasn't been done properly there has been outbreaks.
    Luckily teachers are not meat factory bosses and realise that 1 meter does not equal 2 meters.

    We are a long way off below but still.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1294871147104940033?s=20

    I used to be a teacher and from discussions with my former colleagues you can expect exactly the same thing here unless the unions start to negotiate for blended learning.


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  • #3642
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(20)30627-9.pdf


    What's peoples opinion on this?


  • #3643
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    UK over counted deaths by 5000?


  • #3644
    seefin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭seefin


    Were there clusters in meat factories back in April/May or is it because of complacency now that so many clusters in those environments?


  • #3645
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Onesea wrote: »
    https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(20)30627-9.pdf


    What's peoples opinion on this?

    Why not tell us your opinions on a 5 month old paper


  • #3646
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭political analyst


    In a letter published in the Indo yesterday, Dr Aaisha Khan, from Dún Laoighaire, wrote that the American Academy of Paediatrics recommends universal use of cloth face-coverings by children aged two and older at school and other group settings and that, as a parent, she feels even a small risk is not worth taking until all known precautionary measures are in place.

    But life is full of risks, i.e. crossing the road, travelling by car, being struck by lightning.

    A young person who is not overweight and has no serious underlying problems is very unlikely to become seriously ill if he or she gets the virus.


  • #3647
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    More concrete evidence of airborne viable virus.
    Detected in air in isolation room in hospital that changes air 6 times per hour, uses triple filtration, uv sterilisation. Still found viable virus 27 feet away.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1294996756959199234?s=20


  • #3648
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    More concrete evidence of airborne viable virus.
    Detected in air in isolation room in hospital that changes air 6 times per hour, uses triple filtration, uv sterilisation. Still found viable virus 27 feet away.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1294996756959199234?s=20
    Stay indoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to live life come what may


  • #3649
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,554 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Our government are amazing. Clearly they are of the opinion that we are all stupid. Just keeping the head down saying nothing about any changes in the spread of covid-19 and our schools reopening is still full steam ahead. Released stuff on Friday evening about it so they didn't have to face questions about it and give people the whole weekend to think about the questions asked.
    We badly need new younger politicians in a new party to get rid of this deadwood.


  • #3650
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    smurfjed wrote: »
    the test may be infallible but the operators aren’t. My colleagues and I are tested every 5 days or less, the less is usually based on someone getting a false positive or inconclusive test. I have one colleague who has tested positive twice and was always negative in the subsequent tests.

    There are false negatives all right but not false positives. Not unless the samples are contaminated.


  • #3651
    peasant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    political analyst wrote: »
    A young person who is not overweight and has no serious underlying problems is very unlikely to become seriously ill if he or she gets the virus.

    They're also very unlikely to even know that they are infected.

    Isn't that great?





    And in the meantime the have the potential to infect anyone they get that little bit too close to ..including their elderly relatives, their colleagues / customers with underlying conditions, etc.


    It's so tiring that months into this thing this simple fact still has to be explained over and over and over again:mad:


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  • #3652
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,865 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    political analyst wrote: »
    In a letter published in the Indo yesterday, Dr Aaisha Khan, from Dún Laoighaire, wrote that the American Academy of Paediatrics recommends universal use of cloth face-coverings by children aged two and older at school and other group settings and that, as a parent, she feels even a small risk is not worth taking until all known precautionary measures are in place.

    But life is full of risks, i.e. crossing the road, travelling by car, being struck by lightning.

    A young person who is not overweight and has no serious underlying problems is very unlikely to become seriously ill if he or she gets the virus.

    A: We don't know the long-term effects but there are worrying straws in the wind
    B: They could infect an elderly/vulnerable family member


  • #3653
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,173 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    giveitholly wrote: »
    A further 18 positive cases from the mushroom factory in Golden with further results due on Monday

    Not that it matters I am just curious but are the workers foreign?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #3654
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    Just saying that the final community transmission numbers will be higher as it seems to take a week or more to resolve all the 'possibles'.

    That looks like the pattern in the 'How is the virus being transmitted slide' from Philip Nolan.

    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1290403171865681920

    I agree, wish they would stop using random % for transmission number sand give proper ones.


  • #3655
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    political analyst wrote: »
    In a letter published in the Indo yesterday, Dr Aaisha Khan, from Dún Laoighaire, wrote that the American Academy of Paediatrics recommends universal use of cloth face-coverings by children aged two and older at school and other group settings and that, as a parent, she feels even a small risk is not worth taking until all known precautionary measures are in place.

    But life is full of risks, i.e. crossing the road, travelling by car, being struck by lightning.

    A young person who is not overweight and has no serious underlying problems is very unlikely to become seriously ill if he or she gets the virus.

    Reminds me of someone on here saying sure it's only measles.

    The full letter and some stats in it.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/children-are-vulnerable-to-covid-19-and-face-coverings-should-be-compulsory-in-all-schools-39451432.html


  • #3656
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    smurfjed wrote: »
    I’m not in ireland, local ministry of health sends teams to each of our 3 locations, results within 24 hours

    On Tuesday I shall do my 23rd test.

    Are they PCR based tests or antibody tests? Antibody tests are not very reliable.


  • #3657
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    boggerman1 wrote: »
    Stay indoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to live life come what may

    Every time I read something like this I'm reminded of a drunk thrown out of the pub mouthing of at the bouncer about what they will do to them and then running away when the bouncer moves towards them.


  • #3658
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    boggerman1 wrote: »
    Stay indoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to live life come what may

    If you knew anything about the virus by now
    you'd know that outside is actually a lot safer.
    I'll continue to live and socialise outside to limit the spread of transmission.
    Like a responsible person.

    So if you want to have a go best phrase it as.....

    "Stay outdoors for the rest of time if you like.some of us have decided to not give a fvck and come what may"


  • #3659
    Ohmeha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    7 day average numbers staying stubbornly stable for the past 9 days

    Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
    Monday July 27th 11 18.14
    Tuesday July 28th 40 18.71
    Wednesday July 29th 14 18.29
    Thursday July 30th 85 29.43
    Friday July 31st 38 32.00
    Saturday August 1st 45 35.00
    Sunday August 2nd 53 40.86
    Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
    Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
    Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
    Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
    Friday August 7th 98 58.00
    Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
    Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
    Monday August 10th 57 80.14
    Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
    Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
    Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
    Friday August 14th 67 76.14
    Saturday August 15th 200 79.86
    Sunday August 16th 66 79.57


  • #3660
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Not that it matters I am just curious but are the workers foreign?

    Of course they are and all working for minimum wage like the meat factory’s ..... people who speak English and might ask for a toilet break are not welcome in the slave houses of Ireland


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  • #3661
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Ohmeha wrote: »
    7 day average numbers staying stubbornly stable for the past 9 days

    Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
    Monday July 27th 11 18.14
    Tuesday July 28th 40 18.71
    Wednesday July 29th 14 18.29
    Thursday July 30th 85 29.43
    Friday July 31st 38 32.00
    Saturday August 1st 45 35.00
    Sunday August 2nd 53 40.86
    Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
    Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
    Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
    Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
    Friday August 7th 98 58.00
    Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
    Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
    Monday August 10th 57 80.14
    Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
    Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
    Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
    Friday August 14th 67 76.14
    Saturday August 15th 200 79.86
    Sunday August 16th 66 79.57

    Isn't this a good thing? I mean I'd prefer lower daily numbers but things seem to have stabilised, albeit at a higher level.


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