Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Westernyelp · 16-08-2020 04:07PM

spookwoman wrote:

I am referring to society, all age groups and how things have changed in how people are willing to sacrifice.

Nonsense jingoism

blowitupref · 16-08-2020 04:10PM

Any number on the amount of tests conducted and positive tests in the last 24 hrs?

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 04:11PM

blowitupref wrote: »

Any number on the amount of tests conducted and positive tests in the last 24 hrs?

We don't get that number on sundays

drunkmonkey · 16-08-2020 04:16PM

irishgeo wrote: »

The Coronavirus don't mutate that quickly and usually in this line of the virus it mututes itself to a weaker virus.

It hasn't needed to, had a pretty clear run at us so far, it's ultimate goal is survival, I hope your right about it weakening, can't survive if it kills all the hosts. Are we already seeing it weakening as opposed to the current casedemic theroy?

gabeeg · 16-08-2020 04:17PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I am referring to society, all age groups and how things have changed in how people are willing to sacrifice.

There's a good documentary series by Adam Curtis that pretty much chronicles this (and more besides)

The Century of the Self

Free to watch on YouTube

Oranage2 · 16-08-2020 04:21PM

What time are the numbers usually out today?

billybonkers · 16-08-2020 04:22PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

What time are the numbers usually out today?

Around 6

sideswipe · 16-08-2020 04:23PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What do you suggest we do send in the boys, lock them in a confined space with others,.... disturbing behavior from police in Australia for a citizen caught not wearing a mask. We have to stop this constant condemnation of others before there's blood on the streets. Go live you life, avoid people and places you feel are a threat to your existence, leave the youth alone, there not getting these years back.

https://twitter.com/AussieVal10/status/1292849687758659594?s=20

People viewing that video and thinking it’s ok is pretty f**ked up.

Young girl walking down a street tackled to the ground by a male cop twice her size for not wearing a mask? Unless there was more to it we didn’t see?
.

I was screamed at for not wearing a mask during the week- was ordering a coffee and sandwich in a motorway service station. As I stood in a large, well aired building with 30 foot ceilings ordering my food while about 80 others sat Maskless eating food meters away in the same space, some randomer singled me out because I was standing without a mask and not the dozens of others who were not a danger as they were sitting down without masks.

Be very careful with the liberties you give up, it’s not a given that you’ll get them back.

Strumms · 16-08-2020 04:25PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Do you think there are sides?
Do you think ANY government CHOOSES this?
Do you honestly believe that governments GLOBALLY are taking lockdown actions because of hysteria? All over the world?

Brazil, Sweden and the US choose not to lockdown, and along with the ridiculous death count, their economy is just as bad, if not worse than countries who locked down.

There are no good options just varying degrees of bad.

I agree with you the crap shoot that’s coming is going to be awful.
But it’s not because of lockdowns, it’s because of a virus.

Either way economies will suffer, but I’d prefer the path with least deaths.

Well said... ultimately the economy can and will recover, some people will not recover from covid.

We are supposed to live in a caring society, so let’s care and give a shît about keeping as many people as we can alive,

blowitupref · 16-08-2020 04:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We don't get that number on sundays

Need to get under 59 cases today to have less weekly cases than last week and I am I right in saying roughly 20,000 more tests was carried out this week compared to last week?

Sparko · 16-08-2020 04:26PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm just wondering when where they in contact with the confirmed case? If they were in contact with the confirmed case a week before they were tested, wouldn't that be considered a day 7 test?

I'd assume the txt message is just a generic template and it would be the contact tracers who would know when they potentially could have been exposed and when they were tested and would be able to risk assess it.

Possibly so. They were around the confirmed case last Saturday.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 04:27PM

blowitupref wrote: »

Need to get under 59 cases today to have less weekly cases than last week and I am I right in saying roughly 20,000 more tests was carried out this week compared to last week?

You are correct re testing - up to yesterday we had ~5 less cases in that 7 day period compared to the previous 7, as far as I know.
Thursday was the second highest testing number we ever did.

drunkmonkey · 16-08-2020 04:27PM

blowitupref wrote: »

Need to get under 59 cases today to have less weekly cases than last week and I am I right in saying roughly 20,000 more tests was carried out this week compared to last week?

Could be a struggle if things are bad at the mushroom factory. Those results should be today or tomorrow.

smurfjed · 16-08-2020 04:28PM

As we are talking about numbers (taken from Worldometers)

Population of ireland = 4944556

Positive Cases in Ireland = 27191
Percentage of population testing positive = 0.54

Deaths in Ireland = 1774
Percentage of positive tests resulting in death = 6.52
Percentage of population resulting in death = 0.035

These numbers are obviously based on the fact that the country was locked down and the “curve” flattened, but at this stage what numbers / percentages are we expecting before opening the country ?

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 04:29PM

smurfjed wrote: »

As we are talking about numbers (taken from Worldometers)

Population of ireland = 4944556

Positive Cases in Ireland = 27191
Percentage of population testing positive = 0.54

Deaths in Ireland = 1774
Percentage of positive tests resulting in death = 6.52
Percentage of population resulting in death = 0.035

These numbers are obviously based on the fact that the country was locked down and the “curve” flattened, but at this stage what numbers / percentages are we expecting before opening the country ?

Nobody actually knows what the threshold is, they don't say.

is_that_so · 16-08-2020 04:37PM

smurfjed wrote: »

As we are talking about numbers (taken from Worldometers)

Population of ireland = 4944556

Positive Cases in Ireland = 27191
Percentage of population testing positive = 0.54

Deaths in Ireland = 1774
Percentage of positive tests resulting in death = 6.52
Percentage of population resulting in death = 0.035

These numbers are obviously based on the fact that the country was locked down and the “curve” flattened, but at this stage what numbers / percentages are we expecting before opening the country ?

I'm thinking it's in the order 10-20 cases a day as each new element is added. Once we get past the current mini-surge it'll be all eyes on the schools, then pubs then more normal public transport and somewhere off in the future indoor and outdoor events.

is_that_so · 16-08-2020 04:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You are correct re testing - up to yesterday we had ~5 less cases in that 7 day period compared to the previous 7, as far as I know.
Thursday was the second highest testing number we ever did.

Wasn't there mention of a renewed weekly care home testing programme?

Drumpot · 16-08-2020 04:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's one you look like you're losing I'm afraid, with a writeoff of an entire age cohort. Once we were in that age group and subject to the same judgemental cant from an earlier generation.

GooglePlus wrote: »

Damn kids with their hip hop.

We all know the previous generation who were slaves to the catholic church were the best, no contest.

As somebody who admittedly believes the main thing younger people have to do during this crisis is just have a bit less fun (bit more time on iPad or Netflix) , I’d be interested in hearing what sacrifices are being made and how these younger people are helping us in the fight against COVID.

I’m self employed and haven’t been able to do my job properly since March. Ive a young family and I want this crisis managed aswell as we can. Why should I be more understanding of young adults going on the piss and pretty much doing the exact opposite to what we have been told to do for months?

I think that poster was right about what they said about society now versus then. The way society seems to be progressing the last 100 years (certainly last 30 in Ireland) , each younger generation appears to have a much easier life relative to the previous. I had a much easier time growing up then my parents and I see my children have much more then I had.

Ive a young family to take care of but when I see morons doing what they did last night I despair. And then when you see people try to minimize it , it’s hard to not get angry. People make mistakes but there is no excuse for what was going on in those pictures. Ironically , for the people desperate for pubs to open and are defending this stuff, these are just the sort of things that will force our authorities to bring in even harsher measures for everybody, including other young adults who are not selfish brats. These incidents prove not all people can be trusted to be responsible and the rest end up paying for it in some form.

16-08-2020 04:42PM

they just keep moving the goalposts and giving themselves titles like "SUPER" junior minister with more thousands. Of the few that are left in work, we'll be crippled with Zero tax take from closure across all industries.

Those shouting the country will recover but lives wont, obviously have good jobs and can pay the oul mortage handy enough. the banks wont care how altruistic you are, it;s business not philanthropy, look how they treated people in the great depression.

Business and life needs to resume and they need to start showing the death numbers with age and health status if they've underlying issues.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 04:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Wasn't there mention of a renewed weekly care home testing programme?

I believe that is starting next week. I do think there is some sort targeted testing ongoing right now due to the high testing figures, but Prof. Nolan said he doesn't think nursing home testing is starting for another week or two at the last press conference.

Atlantic Dawn · 16-08-2020 04:45PM

And amongst all this crisis in the country the Dail is closed for TD's holliers.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 04:46PM

Drumpot wrote: »

As somebody who admittedly believes the main thing younger people have to do during this crisis is just have a bit less fun (bit more time on iPad or Netflix) , I’d be interested in hearing what sacrifices are being made and how these younger people are helping us in the fight against COVID.

I’m self employed and haven’t been able to do my job properly since March. Ive a young family and I want this crisis managed aswell as we can. Why should I be more understanding of young adults going on the piss and pretty much doing the exact opposite to what we have been told to do for months?

I think that poster was right about what they said about society now versus then. The way society seems to be progressing the last 100 years (certainly last 30 in Ireland) , each younger generation appears to have a much easier life relative to the previous. I had a much easier time growing up then my parents and I see my children have much more then I had.

Ive a young family to take care of but when I see morons doing what they did last night I despair. And then when you see people try to minimize it , it’s hard to not get angry. People make mistakes but there is no excuse for what was going on in those pictures. Ironically , for the people desperate for pubs to open and are defending this stuff, these are just the sort of things that will force our authorities to bring in even harsher measures for everybody, including other young adults who are not selfish brats. These incidents prove not all people can be trusted to be responsible and the rest end up paying for it in some form.

I stopped reading when you said this generation has an easier life than the previous. Nonsense.

smurfjed · 16-08-2020 04:47PM

You don't get false positives with a PCR test unless you contaminate it with another positive sample. This test is highly specific.

the test may be infallible but the operators aren’t. My colleagues and I are tested every 5 days or less, the less is usually based on someone getting a false positive or inconclusive test. I have one colleague who has tested positive twice and was always negative in the subsequent tests.

is_that_so · 16-08-2020 04:48PM

Drumpot wrote: »

As somebody who admittedly believes the main thing younger people have to do during this crisis is just have a bit less fun (bit more time on iPad or Netflix) , I’d be interested in hearing what sacrifices are being made and how these younger people are helping us in the fight against COVID.

I’m self employed and haven’t been able to do my job properly since March. Ive a young family and I want this crisis managed aswell as we can. Why should I be more understanding of young adults going on the piss and pretty much doing the exact opposite to what we have been told to do for months?

I think that poster was right about what they said about society now versus then. The way society seems to be progressing the last 100 years (certainly last 30 in Ireland) , each younger generation appears to have a much easier life relative to the previous. I had a much easier time growing up then my parents and I see my children have much more then I had.

Ive a young family to take care of but when I see morons doing what they did last night I despair. And then when you see people try to minimize it , it’s hard to not get angry. People make mistakes but there is no excuse for what was going on in those pictures. Ironically , for the people desperate for pubs to open and are defending this stuff, these are just the sort of things that will force our authorities to bring in even harsher measures for everybody, including other young adults who are not selfish brats. These incidents prove not all people can be trusted to be responsible and the rest end up paying for it in some form.

If you seek to apportion blame you'll find people to fit the bill. There are people who do not recognise personal responsibility throughout society, not just the very young. What we should learn from life is we need to be concerned about ourselves and what's important to us. We are not here to police society and there are things we cannot change like the foolishness here or how we and others respond to this current crisis in our lives.

I understand the self-employed issue, it's about getting by and figuring out how to adapt or change in the face of this.

Strumms · 16-08-2020 04:49PM

rusty cole wrote: »

they just keep moving the goalposts and giving themselves titles like "SUPER" junior minister with more thousands. Of the few that are left in work, we'll be crippled with Zero tax take from closure across all industries.

Those shouting the country will recover but lives wont, obviously have good jobs and can pay the oul mortage handy enough. the banks wont care how altruistic you are, it;s business not philanthropy, look how they treated people in the great depression.

Business and life needs to resume and they need to start showing the death numbers with age and health status if they've underlying issues.

I disagree about underlying issues. Some people are mad keen to use the whole ‘underlying’ issue as a kind of ‘ well fûck, that doesn’t count, sure they were ‘sick’ anyway’..... bollôcks... that’s one of the most disingenuous and horrible attitudes towards covid.... loads of people have underlying issues, are relying on access to services such as operations, physios, gyms and various treatments to GET BETTER... most ‘underlying’ conditions on their own are manageable or curable in normal circumstances, but with covid, that becomes different, it could be life changing or life ending...

Kh1993 · 16-08-2020 04:51PM

I think a few people are trying to use it to have a dig at the ‘young’.

Firstly I don’t think this influencer one is a spring chicken, not the foolish 20yr old type. Secondly, the bar and event brite were in on this. They knew exactly what it’d be like. The bar have been taking the p*ss for weeks by the sounds of others. Thirdly, one bar doing this doesn’t mean the whole of the young don’t care.

I think the comment about Netflix says it all. There’s a cohort who think the young have it handy, no sacrifices. Not as if they’ve lost jobs, Social life, family, friends, etc.

Classic blame game, divide and conquer.

Drumpot · 16-08-2020 04:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I stopped reading when you said this generation has an easier life than the previous. Nonsense.

I generally try to be accepting when I’m wrong about something, but there has to be at least some logical explanation to it. I’m just asking you to explain why you feel this is the case. If I’m talking nonsense can you let me know why it’s nonsense?

Martina1991 · 16-08-2020 04:54PM

smurfjed wrote: »

the test may be infallible but the operators aren’t. My colleagues and I are tested every 5 days or less, the less is usually based on someone getting a false positive or inconclusive test. I have one colleague who has tested positive twice and was always negative in the subsequent tests.

If your tested for work, I'm guessing your company isn't using public HSE labs.

Who is taking your swabs?

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 04:55PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I generally try to be accepting when I’m wrong about something, but there has to be at least some logical explanation to it. I’m just asking you to explain why you feel this is the case. If I’m talking nonsense can you let me know why it’s nonsense?

Young people now live in a time where:
- Mental health issues and depression are at an all time high.
- You require 2 years experience to even get an inkling of a part time job.
- If your whole life doesn't revolve around social media and conforming to norms then you are a reject.
- The schooling system treats everyone the same no matter what method of learning you prosper at.
- And where older people paint you as a drunk and someone who sits at home and watches netflix.
- Edit: We're also now facing a major recession, just as many will aim to start their careers.

I can go on, but this is the COVID thread, and the comments about young people being the major issue here have gone beyond ridiculous.

Drumpot · 16-08-2020 04:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

If you seek to apportion blame you'll find people to fit the bill. There are people who do not recognise personal responsibility throughout society, not just the very young. What we should learn from life is we need to be concerned about ourselves and what's important to us. We are not here to police society and there are things we cannot change like the foolishness here or how we and others respond to this current crisis in our lives.

I understand the self-employed issue, it's about getting by and figuring out how to adapt or change in the face of this.

Young people are not to blame for this crisis, we are all in this. There are plenty of Middle aged morons doing plenty of stupid things.

I do believe every generation has it easier then the previous, that’s not the fault of people born today, it’s just the way it is. I believe my parents were hardier they me, I don’t see that as an insult, just an observation. I don’t see why that’s changed for modern young adults who do have more luxuries then My generation. Mind you, I’m glad I didn’t have to suffer from the social media phenomenon, it’s toxic and will try and keep my children away from it as long as I can.

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