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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #3122
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Quite the opposite, In any case its not about wishful thinking. Its about what's possible. Coronavirus. Like the common cold. What would you think of our chances of eliminating the common cold?


  • #3123
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,193 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    growleaves wrote: »
    I haven't mentioned myself at all, or said I couldn't put up with restrictions, I've only spoken in the abstract about the impossibility in practice of unworkable restrictions.

    I think you're assuming that I'm projecting from personal experience.

    Like I said, I'm discussing it in the abstract and in fact the poster I replied to (Arghus) mentioned being unable to socially distance at work, which I mention not as some gotcha moment but to underline what I'm saying. It isn't about me, it's about the nature of the theoretical containment methods.

    Everyone knows that social distancing isn't possible in each and every setting. The point isn't 100% adherence, 100% of the time because that's impossible.

    But because that's impossible it doesn't follow that SD on the whole is a waste of a time and if practiced by enough people enough of the time it doesn't play a massive role in slowing the spread of an infectious disease.


  • #3124
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Posted earlier in the thread

    Edit: Here ye go
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114314087&postcount=2280

    Thanks .
    Very difficult read , but very promising stuff . Small study n 15 with 17 control but would be interesting to see in a larger , longitudinal study , and when peer reviewed
    Interesting in 2nd one it is claimed that even family contacts who were antibody seronegative developed some signs of protective T cell activity .
    Good to think that there might be immunity developing but we can't rely on herd immunity when it is so deadly for some .


  • #3125
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,142 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Interesting in 2nd one it is claimed that even family contacts who were antibody seronegative developed some signs of protective T cell activity .

    Likely low level infection but you would need to ask someone more qualified in the matter


  • #3126
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I am actually beginning to get a bit think with this zero covid lockdown nonsense.

    First of all our poster boy has just failed with that strategy. The guys who are one of the most remote island nations who had a draconian lockdown and full travel quarantine and test regimes. They're going for it again and they'll fail again. What was that definition of insanity again?

    They have 22 deaths and had 10 months of basically a fully open economy. There was always going to be another case popping up that they'd have to chase out of the country and that's where they're at now. This wasn't unexpected. They haven't failed and they are 100% in a better position than we are.


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  • #3127
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Quite the opposite, In any case its not about wishful thinking. Its about what's possible. Coronavirus. Like the common cold. What would you think of our chances of eliminating the common cold?
    Why isn't it possible? Scotland are pursuing a zero covid strategy and want the rest of the UK to join them. No reason we can't get on board with that too. I'm honestly starting to think it's a matter of time and the longer we wait the more harm we're going to do.


  • #3128
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I am actually beginning to get a bit think with this zero covid lockdown nonsense.

    First of all our poster boy has just failed with that strategy. The guys who are one of the most remote island nations who had a draconian lockdown and full travel quarantine and test regimes. They're going for it again and they'll fail again. What was that definition of insanity again?

    Secondly what the hell were they thinking in the first place?
    All the medical experts except for some fruitcakes like that Cork lad acknowledge that Pandora is out of her box and that's that. Which has been confirmed by every single different approach that any country so far has undertaken.

    Al the medical experts do not think that this cannot be put back in its box , just that it will take time , more restrictions, and test and trace .
    Sure you were calling for " open all up , there is no virus back in May " !


  • #3129
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Morrison J wrote: »
    Why isn't it possible? Scotland are pursuing a zero covid strategy and want the rest of the UK to join them. No reason we can't get on board with that too. I'm honestly starting to think it's a matter of time and the longer we wait the more harm we're going to do.

    And if Scotland can try it with a land border with the UK , it should be possible for us to also.
    But doubt if FF would have the bxxxs to try it in case they lose some votes over it .


  • #3130
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm looking forward to Contagion II now that writers have seen what way people actually react to a pandemic.

    "Wear masks. It's a respiratory disease. They obviously help."
    "No!"

    "We should try to eradicate it."
    "No!"


  • #3131
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm looking forward to Contagion II now that writers have seen what way people actually react to a pandemic.

    "Wear masks. It's a respiratory disease. They obviously help."
    "No!"

    "We should try to eradicate it."
    "No!"

    The next zombie movie is just a load of people saying that there are no zombies, they don't know anyone who's become a zombie, zombie bites are no worse than mosquito bites, all while screaming at a 17 year old in a shop..........


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  • #3132
    NK76
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 ✭NK76


    It's time people realised that we need to bring all this talk of covid to an end. it is clearly obvious that covid is over...in fact it didn't really exist...our lives need to return to normal, we need to be able to go to the shops, football matches, nights out at the weekends...the psychological damage of this fake flu is far worse than reality...its fear mongering of the highest order.....

    ...let's get back to normal...take back control...reclaim the momentum ...and look at it again in two months when the kids are back in school and football season has started.....then we will know where we are

    Come on let's stand in the face of this adversity and reclaim our lives


  • #3133
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    people saying that there are no zombies
    NK76 wrote: »
    in fact it didn't really exist...

    Your ilk are an inspiration, NK.


  • #3134
    NK76
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8 ✭NK76


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Your ilk are an inspiration, NK.

    No I'm prepared to live without fear...and so should you....because there is nothing yo fear apart from the mass hysteria that is filling peoples empty lives....its chaos theory in its purest form

    Ebola I would fear....but the common flu I will not

    The biggest concern is the spotlight it has cast on the mass populations emotional redundancy and need to connect with this fake fear

    Stand up men and women and crack on ...


  • #3135
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1294834939419140096


  • #3136
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1294834939419140096

    That’s PCR tests for you.


  • #3137
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1294834939419140096


    Sounds like the first test could have been a false positive.


  • #3138
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Ineedaname wrote: »
    Sounds like the first test could have been a false positive.

    Not sure, its becoming more common now that people are becoming infected a 2nd time. Immunity to this virus still very unclear


  • #3139
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    NK76 wrote: »
    It's time people realised that we need to bring all this talk of covid to an end. it is clearly obvious that covid is over...in fact it didn't really exist...our lives need to return to normal, we need to be able to go to the shops, football matches, nights out at the weekends...the psychological damage of this fake flu is far worse than reality...its fear mongering of the highest order.....

    ...let's get back to normal...take back control...reclaim the momentum ...and look at it again in two months when the kids are back in school and football season has started.....then we will know where we are

    Come on let's stand in the face of this adversity and reclaim our lives

    Fake flu?

    I had planned to write more but I can't stop laughing....take back control..:D....

    That planet you're on must be great craic.


  • #3140
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Not sure, its becoming more common now that people are becoming infected a 2nd time. Immunity to this virus still very unclear

    You can’t get this twice. We need to stop spreading this disinformation.


  • #3141
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,086 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    You can’t get this twice. We need to stop spreading this disinformation.

    Is there official confirmation of this?
    How could we know you can’t get it twice?
    Immunity can only be 8 months old at this stage.
    What’s to say immunity only lasts a year?
    We just don’t know yet so stop saying you know!


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  • #3142
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    You can’t get this twice. We need to stop spreading this disinformation.

    I don't know. I don't like this reposting of random bad news myself but why cant you get this twice? Its a corona virus like the common cold. Surely you had a cold twice in your life?

    Good morning


  • #3143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I don't know. I don't like this reposting of random bad news myself but why cant you get this twice? Its a corona virus like the common cold. Surely you had a cold twice in your life?

    Good morning

    Most common colds are not coronaviruses. Since there are like 200 strains of common cold, maybe we're immune to the ones we've had. How often have you had the cold and your wife say not get it.. Pretty often.


  • #3144
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I don't know. I don't like this reposting of random bad news myself but why cant you get this twice? Its a corona virus like the common cold. Surely you had a cold twice in your life?

    Good morning

    Sure, if it mutates into a new virus.

    There’s zero evidence to suggest you can get Covid 19 twice. There’s a ton of evidence to suggest immunity - falling deaths in every location the virus has previous impacted.


  • #3145
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Is there official confirmation of this?
    How could we know you can’t get it twice?
    Immunity can only be 8 months old at this stage.
    What’s to say immunity only lasts a year?
    We just don’t know yet so stop saying you know!

    Despite the large number of infected worldwide there is no conclusive evidence of someone getting infected twice. There are a relatively small amount of cases where there is two positive tests but this is more likely due to a false positive or the virus still in the system


  • #3146
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Is there official confirmation of this?
    How could we know you can’t get it twice?

    You realise the only way to prove it can't happen is to intentionally try and reinfect someone who had it?

    Let's go with the whole millions of cases and no notable or confirmed reinfections, and at this stage, even if there are some, it's almost certainly a problem with the person's immune system.


  • #3147
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Not sure, its becoming more common now that people are becoming infected a 2nd time. Immunity to this virus still very unclear

    It's really not. Those are anecdotal stories with no context and no independent verification. As I said before when you look into the rates of false positives it becomes more clear.

    As the saying goes extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. So far regarding reinfection there's been nothing close to that.


  • #3148
    Longing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Longing


    I wonder is it possible to code in 2metres distance software into the HSE detection app on your phone. It would be pretty handy for deterring people breathing down your neck at a checkout or anywhere. Even better again voice activated. Phone does all for you.


  • #3149
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    NK76 wrote: »
    No I'm prepared to live without fear...and so should you....because there is nothing yo fear apart from the mass hysteria that is filling peoples empty lives....its chaos theory in its purest form

    Ebola I would fear....but the common flu I will not

    The biggest concern is the spotlight it has cast on the mass populations emotional redundancy and need to connect with this fake fear

    Stand up men and women and crack on ...

    Is that you gemma?


  • #3150
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Longing wrote: »
    I wonder is it possible to code in 2metres distance software into the HSE detection app on your phone. It would be pretty handy for deterring people breathing down your neck at a checkout or anywhere. Even better again voice activated. Phone does all for you.

    Don't really need an app for that you could just say it yourself


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  • #3151
    Longing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Longing


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Don't really need an app for that you could just say it yourself


    Yep. Saying it constantly at this stage.


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