Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

caveat emptor · 14-08-2020 12:09PM

Brazilian chicken wings and frozen containers test positive in China.

https://www.ft.com/content/3ca489d7-4e89-42bf-b655-c98d5176b214

Brazil has pushed back against Chinese claims its frozen chicken exports carried
coronavirus after authorities in southern China said imported poultry
from Latin America’s largest economy tested positive.

The controversy comes as China has stepped up a campaign to ward off the
return of Covid-19 by focusing on refrigerated cargo after a spate of incidents
in which frozen goods have tested positive.

Since early July, Chinese authorities say they have discovered
nine cases of coronavirus on imported frozen food,
its packaging or the walls of transport containers.

In the most recent incident on Thursday, the Shenzhen city health commission
said a sample taken from a batch of Brazilian frozen chicken wings tested positive for the virus.

RNA tests carried out on city storage containers and individuals who might
have come into contact with the chicken were negative,
the commission said, without naming the company that exported the goods.

ACitizenErased · 14-08-2020 12:11PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Why aren't older people getting it as much now, they aren't really cocooning anymore. They are out and about no? Is it all down to nursing home cases being sorted?

I can only speak for my grandmother when I say it seems like older people are back to normal. Her and her friends are doing all the usual stuff, meeting up for coffee and such. Surprised the case numbers for older people are so low atm tbh

nacho libre · 14-08-2020 12:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Surprised the case numbers for older people are so low atm tbh

If they are following the guidelines and mostly meeting outdoors it's not that hard to believe. Also, for those that might not be, the low community transmission is probably a big factor. If the r rate were to go back to where it was in March, things would be a lot different. However that is unlikely to happen now due to the contact and trace system in place.

ACitizenErased · 14-08-2020 12:28PM

Hair salon in Carrigaline, Co. Cork has closed after an asymptomatic staff member tested positive after close contact tracing

mandrake04 · 14-08-2020 12:35PM

iguana wrote: »

Home pregnancy tests are highly specific these days. And have been for quite a while. I've had test sticks let me see falling hormone levels in early pregnancy as far back as 08. Blood tests to detect and monitor HCG levels are only done in extremely specific circumstances where there is worry about viability. And even then, transvaginal scans are more commonly used as they can reliably monitor the size of the embryo and take a good estimate at it's growth levels from less than a month post-conception.

we are getting off topic, home pregnancy kits dont give the full picture and they are only indicative that was my point. Testing is not black & white like people want, but it is true its easy to test for a simple hormone than a virus.

a lot of Rapid covid tests don't test for the virus itself, they usually testing for a combination of chemicals that your body produces when its under stress from getting sick usually many days later than PCR would have detected the virus itself.

But are you sick from covid? or just common cold, flu, Gastro etc

And if you are asymptomatic would you even test positive?

Boggles · 14-08-2020 12:39PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Why aren't older people getting it as much now, they aren't really cocooning anymore. They are out and about no? Is it all down to nursing home cases being sorted?

Care homes would be a major part of it.

But A large bulk of infections are taking place in work environments and subsequently living quarters where you just won't find over 65s.

Also relative to the population as a whole, there isn't that many of them. Around 15%.

Look at the video from the prom in Kilkee, not many blue rinse Brigade going apeshít.

So, numbers, environment, caution and the fact that instances of the virus in the community is relatively low. If a member of a family comes down with anything resembling a symptom now, they don't go near an older person.

The schools and everything that comes with it and the changing climate has the ability to turn all that on it's head though.

The big question is, should grandparents, grand uncles and aunts be doing their usual job of picking up and minding kids after school this Autumn / Winter.

There is the weak spot. that the virus will exploit.

Goldengirl · 14-08-2020 12:45PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm not sure anybody smarter than us can be as creative, they don't always go hand in hand.

They used a home pin prick test in the UK to check for antibodies with the first 100,000 volunteers. The results have been published https://www.gov.uk/government/news/largest-home-antibody-testing-programme-for-covid-19-publishes-findings

One of the results was that smokers were less likely to have antibodies does this add any weight to the evidence that smoking blocks the receptors covid needs to latch onto. It's one of the reasons the Spanish smoking ban today struck me as odd.

From another study
CONCLUSION The risk of infection by COVID-19 appears to be reduced by half among current smokers. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.20118877v2

It's a bit mad but the evidence is pointing to smoking possibly being effective as a vaccine. Funny old world.

But in earlier studies from China , most of the people dying were smokers.
Maybe coats the lungs to block the receptors initially , but God help you then if you do catch it, you have Covid pneumonia and smokers lung to contend with.
I don't think the WHO or ECDC will be asking people to take up smoking now on the basis of this , do you?

marno21 · 14-08-2020 12:48PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

But in earlier studies from China , most of the people dying were smokers.
Maybe coats the lungs to block the receptors initially , but God help you then if you do catch it, you have Covid pneumonia and smokers lung to contend with.
I don't think the WHO or ECDC will be asking people to take up smoking now on the basis of this , do you?

From some of the literature to date that theory shows merit. If you smoke you reduce the chances of actually getting the disease, but should you get the disease, you get a more severe illness than a comparative non smoker.

A bit like a roulette wheel where there the amount of reds is halved but if you do land on red you get double the payout.

Goldengirl · 14-08-2020 12:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The mean time to ICU admission with Covid is 8 to 12 days.

8 days ago our 7 day rolling average was 58. Where are all the ICU admissions? Never mind hospital admission?

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-13-august-2020.pdf

Weren't a lot of those cases asymptomatic so picked up on testing only ?
That time line is for symptomatic individuals .
That is why this " wave" if you can call it that , is different from before . Many are being picked up on testing only and it is testament to the value of testing widely where a cluster is picked up .
As has been said before it's the randomers not reporting symptoms and not going for testing that are going to cause the problems for us .

ACitizenErased · 14-08-2020 12:58PM

https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1294217495428116480?s=21

eigrod · 14-08-2020 01:03PM

2 admissions to ICU in last 24 hours. 8 in ICU today. 12 in hospitals.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

Renjit · 14-08-2020 01:08PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Brazilian chicken wings and frozen containers test positive in China.

https://www.ft.com/content/3ca489d7-4e89-42bf-b655-c98d5176b214

Damn, meat Popsicle

US2 · 14-08-2020 01:11PM

Daughter has a fairly blocked nose. No other symptoms atall. Could be just hayfever, should I ring for a test anyway, she's 4? Do they stick the swab up near the brain on small kids too ?

Goldengirl · 14-08-2020 01:11PM

iguana wrote: »

The only blood tests I had in pregnancy were in the second trimester and long after I'd had a number of scans and seen the foetus jumping around. The tests were general serological tests to check my history and included tests for HIV and hepatitis antibodies among others. Blood tests to confirm pregnancy aren't routinely done.

Yes agree with you there .

But this whole discussion about pregnancy tests is not relevant except to say there are simple tests out there.
Easy to pee on a stick coated with a reagent , to be honest

This test requires a little bit more than that and false negatives with a highly infectious notifiable disease could be potential for spread .

Goldengirl · 14-08-2020 01:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Hair salon in Carrigaline, Co. Cork has closed after an asymptomatic staff member tested positive after close contact tracing

Well done to close contact tracing !

Ficheall · 14-08-2020 01:16PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

On the contrary you would be safer not testing with unreliable tests and just advise people to restrict movements, if they incorrectly test negative then they have false sense of security and for sure the be out spreading the virus.

But many people aren't restricting their movements, despite the advice.

Sure, if everyone could be trusted, we'd have an even better handle on the virus, but many can't - and so, if tests are cheap, quick, and efficient enough, it makes sense to test; certainly coming from the "red" list countries or whatever they're being called.

Martina1991 wrote: »

Then there would be no point doing it at all. Might as well flip a coin.

One test which only accurately catches 80% of infectees might not be worth doing, granted, as you'd let 20% of infectees in. Two such tests would flag ~96%. Certainly not a coin toss. There would be some false positives for sure, but I find them far less concerning than false negatives.

ACitizenErased · 14-08-2020 01:17PM

US2 wrote: »

Daughter has a fairly blocked nose. No other symptoms atall. Could be just hayfever, should I ring for a test anyway, she's 4? Do they stick the swab up near the brain on small kids too ?

Yeah I’d get a test. It’s a nasal swab for all ages.

Goldengirl · 14-08-2020 01:23PM

US2 wrote: »

Daughter has a fairly blocked nose. No other symptoms atall. Could be just hayfever, should I ring for a test anyway, she's 4? Do they stick the swab up near the brain on small kids too ?

Don't worry they know what they are doing and that is the good thing about professionals testing
Best of luck with her .

KrustyUCC · 14-08-2020 01:32PM

US2 wrote: »

Daughter has a fairly blocked nose. No other symptoms atall. Could be just hayfever, should I ring for a test anyway, she's 4? Do they stick the swab up near the brain on small kids too ?

Yup get a test for her

Even just for peace of mind

drunkmonkey · 14-08-2020 01:39PM

US2 wrote: »

Daughter has a fairly blocked nose. No other symptoms atall. Could be just hayfever, should I ring for a test anyway, she's 4? Do they stick the swab up near the brain on small kids too ?

No need for a test it's the weather, I'm in the same boat.

drunkmonkey · 14-08-2020 01:42PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah I’d get a test. It’s a nasal swab for all ages.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Don't worry they know what they are doing and that is the good thing about professionals testing
Best of luck with her .

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yup get a test for her

Even just for peace of mind

A blocked nose in this humidity doesn't warrant going into isolation and locking down the house. Completely over reacting here.

Ficheall · 14-08-2020 01:46PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A blocked nose in this humidity doesn't warrant going into isolation and locking down the house. Completely over reacting here.

Poster mentioned earlier a relative had been in for a test as a close contact and was awaiting results - erring on the side of caution not wholly unreasonable in this instance.

JDD · 14-08-2020 01:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No need for a test it's the weather, I'm in the same boat.

My 3 year old came down with the same thing last Saturday. Blocked then runny nose, sneezing, a cough from the post-nasal drip. Rang the GP on Monday, he said it was just a cold and no need for a test. He was over it by Tuesday and back in creche on Wednesday. I mentioned it to the creche and the fact that I had rung the doctor, and they were fine with it. They said literally every kid in the place had a snotty/sneezy nose, and the same thing happens every year two weeks before the schools go back, and basically sticks around until April.

I'd say ring the doctor, and let them make the call. I could hear my GP rolling his eyes on the other end of the line (he's very laid back tbf) but I thought, well, I'm getting the moral comfort of calling him, and if he says no test, then I'm fine with that. If I had any suspicion at all that it was Covid I would have insisted on a test, but I was also convinced it was a cold. And as you say, I'm not putting my 3 year old through the brain scraping swab unless there's a good reason for it.

Ficheall · 14-08-2020 01:50PM

They're working on a less icky test, which obviously isn't much use to poster at the moment, but..
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/experts-examine-less-invasive-covid-19-testing-for-children-1.4327711

Goldengirl · 14-08-2020 01:53PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

You're saying it wrong!

It's Covidiots!

I think your misuse of the word makes you one if I am being totally fair.

I think this is a nasty little post ..

' if I am being totally fair ' !

owlbethere · 14-08-2020 01:54PM

Ficheall wrote: »

But many people aren't restricting their movements, despite the advice.

Sure, if everyone could be trusted, we'd have an even better handle on the virus, but many can't - and so, if tests are cheap, quick, and efficient enough, it makes sense to test; certainly coming from the "red" list countries or whatever they're being called.

One test which only accurately catches 80% of infectees might not be worth doing, granted, as you'd let 20% of infectees in. Two such tests would flag ~96%. Certainly not a coin toss. There would be some false positives for sure, but I find them far less concerning than false negatives.

This 100%. People are not restricting their movements and not reducing their contacts even upon showing cold symptoms. I have first hand experience of this scenario recently.

ACitizenErased · 14-08-2020 01:54PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A blocked nose in this humidity doesn't warrant going into isolation and locking down the house. Completely over reacting here.

Or you could get a test like doctors suggest? You don’t need to be difficult about such a simple answer.

mandrake04 · 14-08-2020 01:57PM

Ficheall wrote: »

But many people aren't restricting their movements, despite the advice.

Sure, if everyone could be trusted, we'd have an even better handle on the virus, but many can't - and so, if tests are cheap, quick, and efficient enough, it makes sense to test; certainly coming from the "red" list countries or whatever they're being called.

Here's the thing Ireland has been extremely lucky so far, but has to be lucky every time...virus only has to be lucky once... just look at NZ and Melbourne.

Even with the best tests you can test negative today but positive tomorrow, as useful as they are they can also give a false sense of security.

Living with the virus means living with restrictions to keep the R0 below 0.

Ficheall · 14-08-2020 01:59PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Living with the virus means living with restrictions to keep the R0 below 0.

You want people with the virus to cure other people?

Goldengirl · 14-08-2020 02:03PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A blocked nose in this humidity doesn't warrant going into isolation and locking down the house. Completely over reacting here.

How do you know that ?

This..is the problem. If your GP makes the call well it's on him if you have Covid and spread it , and he hasn't recommended testing
But not reporting symptoms is an issue unless you are isolating ....which maybe you are ?

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