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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #1742
    [Deleted User]
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    Do you have a link for this? Not doubting you, just wondering whether the figure is based, eg, on a demographic as young as those currently being infected.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-guidance-management-patients.html#:~:text=Among%20patients%20who%20developed%20severe,admission%20from%20the%20onset%20of


    Just think there is more going on than just a younger demographic. Yes a younger demographic is getting infected, but the care home cases which represented the oldest demographic in the earlier part of the outbreak, by and large never made it to hospital so automatically skewed the age range in hospital slightly younger.


  • #1743
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Covididiots

    Certainly won't miss this nonsense term when this is all over.


  • #1744
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The mean time to ICU admission with Covid is 8 to 12 days.

    8 days ago our 7 day rolling average was 58. Where are all the ICU admissions? Never mind hospital admission?

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-13-august-2020.pdf

    It's pretty simple really.

    95%+ of all confirmed cases in the past 14 days have occurred in people under the age of 65.

    There has only been 12 confirmed cases in people over the age of 75 in the past fortnight.


  • #1745
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Its an opinion piece. You may not agree with it but that hardly makes it a rubbish article.
    And similarly, it is not necessarily a good article just because you agree with it.


  • #1746
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Boggles wrote: »
    It's pretty simple really.

    95%+ of all confirmed cases in the past 14 days have occurred in people under the age of 65.

    There has only been 12 confirmed cases in people over the age of 75 in the past fortnight.

    Why are these trends replicated all over the world where the virus has previously significantly impacted?

    Without exception.


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  • #1747
    Snow Garden
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Covididiots

    You're saying it wrong!

    It's Covidiots!

    I think your misuse of the word makes you one if I am being totally fair.


  • #1748
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Got a coronavirus test today after contacting my gp on monday.


  • #1749
    [Deleted User]
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    Boggles wrote: »
    It's pretty simple really.

    95%+ of all confirmed cases in the past 14 days have occurred in people under the age of 65.

    There has only been 12 confirmed cases in people over the age of 75 in the past fortnight.

    46% of hospital admission for Covid in Ireland have been among under 65's, and 62% of ICU admissions have been under 65

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19%20Daily%20epidemiology%20report%20(NPHET)%20v1.0_20200812_website.pdf


  • #1750
    GooglePlus
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Got a coronavirus test today after contacting my gp on monday.

    That's shocking, any idea when you might get the result? That's another delay potentially


  • #1751
    seefin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭seefin


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Got a coronavirus test today after contacting my gp on monday.

    Now that's worrying. Told along the only real way to live with the virus is decent testing and tracing.


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  • #1752
    Boggles
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    46% of hospital admission for Covid in Ireland have been among under 65's, and 62% of ICU admissions have been under 65

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19%20Daily%20epidemiology%20report%20(NPHET)%20v1.0_20200812_website.pdf

    Yes, but you are far more likely to be hospitalized if you are a confirmed case over 65 in actual real numbers relative to population.

    Also the sad reality is if you are over 75 your had a slim chance of getting into ICU.


  • #1753
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,145 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Got a coronavirus test today after contacting my gp on monday.

    Something is not right there. A friend contacted his GP on Tuesday morning, after being a close contact of a case, and had the test Wednesday, with results the next day.


  • #1754
    Ll31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Ll31


    I contacted gp office Monday, gp rang Tues referred for test, test yesterday, waiting for results now. Tho I assume they may triage tests as such maybe depending on close contact r not, symptoms, work , med condition etc


  • #1755
    mandrake04
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    Beanybabog wrote: »
    . They make you pee on a stick the exact same as at home. On my third pregnancy and I didn’t even go to the GP, just told her on the phone, they trust the home tests. Not that I’m saying it’d work for this virus, just that the above isn’t true

    So you never had a blood test when pregnant?

    bHCG is a quantitative immunoassay, it’s in a serum work area from a blood test. It actually gives a measurable count that should rise as the pregnancy progresses especially in the 1st Trimester then it should fall slightly. Doctors use this to monitor the validity of pregnancy, peeing onto a stick doesn’t give a count it’s only for indicative use.


  • #1756
    schmoo2k
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    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Why are these trends replicated all over the world where the virus has previously significantly impacted?

    Without exception.

    Israel would be an exception! (just being pedantic as I agree with your point, that the daily confirmed cases are not resulting in the same hospital admission rate / death as it did at the start).


  • #1757
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    46% of hospital admission for Covid in Ireland have been among under 65's, and 62% of ICU admissions have been under 65

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19%20Daily%20epidemiology%20report%20(NPHET)%20v1.0_20200812_website.pdf

    Didn't we hospitalise every covid case at the beginning? Difficult to analyse the stats properly when that would have skewed them


  • #1758
    Martina1991
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    darjeeling wrote:
    We need cheap, self-administered rapid tests that can be taken regularly so that we can reliably detect when someone is infectious. We could have got them into use months ago, and we'd be in a much better place for reopening safely if we had.
    drunkmonkey wrote:
    It'll be accurate if you do it a few times, best of 5. Post them to everyone, if it's positive 2 out of 5 times don't budge for two week or go for a lab test then. We'd know where we stand straight away. It's rapid testing and points of entry to the country from then on. I think it's a better idea than the traffic lights. Whack a mole isn't going to work.
    Cheap, quick, self administerd, having to do it a few times a day. Sounds more like something you'd get out of a lucky bag than a reliable tool to detect a contagious virus.
    darjeeling wrote:
    We do trust it to work for pregnancies, and the test would have to be as simple and reliable. But right now our alternative to self-testing is not testing.
    Our alternative to testing is social distancing, hand washing, ppe and masks if necessary.
    Those are what stop the spread of the virus.

    PCR is the gold standard method for viral detection.
    Our testing is now picking up many asymptomatic cases. Cases that weren't being picked up before.
    Our hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

    We don't need cheap unreliable tests. It can't be controlled or monitored and will give people a false sense of security that they're fine and may flout safety guidelines as a result.


  • #1759
    lee_baby_simms
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    schmoo2k wrote: »
    Israel would be an exception! (just being pedantic as I agree with your point, that the daily confirmed cases are not resulting in the same hospital admission rate / death as it did at the start).

    Sure but it hasn't impacted significantly yet in Israel, 70 deaths per million indicates relatively low community spread so far.


  • #1760
    lee_baby_simms
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    Martina1991 wrote: »
    PCR is the gold standard method for viral detection.
    Our testing is now picking up many asymptomatic cases.

    I'd love to know how many are testing positive now due to PCR detecting dead fragments of the virus from months ago. I guess we'll never know.


  • #1761
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    I'd love to know how many are testing positive now due to PCR detecting dead fragments of the virus from months ago. I guess we'll never know.

    Months ago no, weeks maybe but not months.


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  • #1762
    Ficheall
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    Martina1991 wrote: »
    We don't need cheap unreliable tests. It can't be controlled or monitored and will give people a false sense of security that they're fine and may flout safety guidelines as a result.
    I'd rather someone took two cheap not very reliable tests upon entering the country, say, than no test at all.


  • #1763
    mandrake04
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    I'd rather someone took two cheap not very reliable tests upon entering the country, say, than no test at all.

    On the contrary you would be safer not testing with unreliable tests and just advise people to restrict movements, if they incorrectly test negative then they have false sense of security and for sure the be out spreading the virus.


  • #1764
    Martina1991
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    Ficheall wrote:
    I'd rather someone took two cheap not very reliable tests upon entering the country, say, than no test at all.
    Then there would be no point doing it at all. Might as well flip a coin.


  • #1765
    iguana
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    So you never had a blood test when pregnant?

    bHCG is a quantitative immunoassay, it’s in a serum work area from a blood test. It actually gives a measurable count that should rise as the pregnancy progresses especially in the 1st Trimester then it should fall slightly. Doctors use this to monitor the validity of pregnancy, peeing onto a stick doesn’t give a count it’s only for indicative use.

    The only blood tests I had in pregnancy were in the second trimester and long after I'd had a number of scans and seen the foetus jumping around. The tests were general serological tests to check my history and included tests for HIV and hepatitis antibodies among others. Blood tests to confirm pregnancy aren't routinely done.


  • #1766
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Is hypertension a risk factor in this disease? Does it only apply if the problem is not being controlled with medication or is it a factor even then?


  • #1767
    mandrake04
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    iguana wrote: »
    The only blood tests I had in pregnancy were in the second trimester and long after I'd had a number of scans and seen the foetus jumping around. The tests were general serological tests to check my history and included tests for HIV and hepatitis antibodies among others. Blood tests to confirm pregnancy aren't routinely done.

    beta HCG is very common test, the pee stick could confirm you are pregnant but in the real world if your hormone count started to fall then you are in danger of no longer being pregnant even though the stick detects you are.

    You can understand now why it’s used, wether your Doctor requests it or not depends on the doctor.


  • #1768
    Beanybabog
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    So you never had a blood test when pregnant?

    bHCG is a quantitative immunoassay, it’s in a serum work area from a blood test. It actually gives a measurable count that should rise as the pregnancy progresses especially in the 1st Trimester then it should fall slightly. Doctors use this to monitor the validity of pregnancy, peeing onto a stick doesn’t give a count it’s only for indicative use.

    Nope, blood tests for antibodies, HIV etc But never to confirm the pregnancy. I’m on my third and I don’t know anyone who had that. According to HSE website doctors use same test as us and the one you refer to is if there’s bleeding or pain.


  • #1769
    podgeandrodge
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    Boggles wrote: »
    It's pretty simple really.

    95%+ of all confirmed cases in the past 14 days have occurred in people under the age of 65.

    There has only been 12 confirmed cases in people over the age of 75 in the past fortnight.

    Why aren't older people getting it as much now, they aren't really cocooning anymore. They are out and about no? Is it all down to nursing home cases being sorted?


  • #1770
    iguana
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    beta HCG is very common test, the pee stick could confirm you are pregnant but in the real world if your hormone count started to fall then you are in danger of no longer being pregnant even though the stick detects you are.

    You can understand now why it’s used, wether your Doctor requests it or not depends on the doctor.

    Home pregnancy tests are highly specific these days. And have been for quite a while. I've had test sticks let me see falling hormone levels in early pregnancy as far back as 08. Blood tests to detect and monitor HCG levels are only done in extremely specific circumstances where there is worry about viability. And even then, transvaginal scans are more commonly used as they can reliably monitor the size of the embryo and take a good estimate at it's growth levels from less than a month post-conception.


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  • #1771
    Martina1991
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    Beanybabog wrote:
    Nope, blood tests for antibodies, HIV etc But never to confirm the pregnancy. I’m on my third and I don’t know anyone who had that. According to HSE website doctors use same test as us and the one you refer to is if there’s bleeding or pain.
    Women who on hormonal birth control, have irregular periods or even those who are in their 40s missing periods may require a bHCG blood test as they may not suspect pregnancy as a reason for being late.

    A blood test HCG doesnt just tell you if you're pregnant, it helps determine the gestation. Serial measurements may be needed to determine if there was a missed miscarriage.


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