Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Sconsey · 13-08-2020 10:33PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Let's see what happens. There being sensible taking an evidence and fact based scientific approach that's more than I can say for what's going on here.

What would you know about 'fact based scientific approach'? you brush off a huge list of fact based scientific studies because they are lab based. You need to get a grip.

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 10:36PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1293746229059477504?s=19

It must be rare though, so will not impact on efforts to achieve herd immunity through vaccination.

That just means the virus got in but caused no symptoms, meaning disease was avoided, which is a good sign.
New studies suggest that immunity is sustained.

Recent studies have indicated that antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 drop significantly within 2 months. In this preprint, Wu et al. analysed antibody responses in 349 individuals who were among the first to become infected with SARS-CoV-2. All antiviral antibody titres significantly increased in the first weeks after disease onset, followed by a contraction phase, where IgM became undetectable at around week 10–13. Importantly, although Spike-targeted IgG (IgG-S) declined over time, it remained detectable at relatively high levels until the end of the 6-month study period. IgG-S titres correlated closely with neutralizing capacity, although exact correlates of protection for SARS-CoV-2 are still elusive. These results suggest that antibody responses in symptomatic patients with COVID-19 follow a prototypical progression and result in a sustained memory response, suggesting long-term protective immunity.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00423-9

KrustyUCC · 13-08-2020 10:37PM

spookwoman wrote: »

No link to the post and And we need a step back or 2 means a lock down :rolleyes: .

froog wrote: »

not good. we need to go back a step or two and fast.

One step back is Phase two

Two steps back is Phase One

That's certainly lockdown

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 10:38PM

HSE Daily Operations Update

13 in hospital, increase of 2.
2 confirmed cases today, one in Mullingar and one in Tullamore.
6 in ICU, no change.
4 on ventilators, increase of 1.

Hospitals:
Kilkenny (+1) - 4
Mater (--) - 2
UHL (--) - 2
Beaumont (--) - 1
Cavan (--) - 1
Mullingar (+1) - 1
Tallaght (--) - 1
Tullamore (+1) - 1
Connolly (-1) - 0

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 10:45PM

Sconsey wrote: »

What would you know about 'fact based scientific approach'? you brush off a huge list of fact based scientific studies because they are lab based. You need to get a grip.

Not sure what your getting at, are you saying there's no need for real world trials?

13-08-2020 10:47PM

Sconsey wrote: »

What would you know about 'fact based scientific approach'? you brush off a huge list of fact based scientific studies because they are lab based. You need to get a grip.

I'm still waiting for the collapsed supply chain, rampant starvation, garda and the army on the streets based on their posts in March along with the report of the shoot out they were going to have with the garda or army personnel who tried to stop them doing what ever they wanted.

eagle eye · 13-08-2020 10:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote:

That just means the virus got in but caused no symptoms, meaning disease was avoided, which is a good sign. New studies suggest that immunity is sustained.

How do you come to that conclusion so early? This only happened very recently, gotta wait two weeks before we know anything.

sideswipe · 13-08-2020 10:47PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1293746229059477504?s=19

It must be rare though, so will not impact on efforts to achieve herd immunity through vaccination.

Or else C-19 can act like the herpes virus which you can have pretty much forever asymptotically?

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 10:49PM

eagle eye wrote: »

How do you come to that conclusion so early? This only happened very recently, gotta wait two weeks before we know anything.

I don't think we'll hear anything.

Lyle · 13-08-2020 10:49PM

https://amp.ibtimes.sg/coronavirus-reinfection-elderly-chinese-woman-tests-covid-19-positive-again-6-months-after-recovery-50009

An elderly Chinese woman who was diagnosed with COVID-19 in February but recovered fully has tested positive for the disease again six months after, posing new challenge to the medical fraternity.

Apart from the 68-year-old woman from China's Hubei province, who tested positive again after developing symptoms on August 9, another man, found to have contracted the COVID-19 in April after returning from abroad, tested positive in Shanghai on Monday, August 10 though he did not develop any symptoms. Local Chinese authorities said none of the patients' close contacts has tested positive for the novel Coronavirus but they have been placed under quarantine.

An American physician, Clay Ackerly said that he had seen one of his patients who tested positive again for the virus, three months after recovery. As per the expert, while the first time the patient exhibted minor symptoms like cough and sore throat, the second time the person had severe symptoms, including high fever, shortness of breath, and dangerously low oxygen levels.

As per a report, Ackerly wrote, "Despite scientific hopes for either antibody-mediated or cellular immunity, the severity of my patient's second bout with COVID-19 suggests that such responses may not be as robust as we hope." He also added that "many people could catch COVID-19 more than once and with unpredictable severity."

Like everything else to do with this virus, all seems very random. Best case scenario if reinfection is possible is that people aren't infectious the second time around, hopefully? It'll be worth keeping an eye on whether close contacts of these reinfected people turn up any positive tests.

Gael23 · 13-08-2020 10:50PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

, I'm not sure what your hoping will happen when one does arrive, it could take decades to eradicate, we seem to have accepted the heard immunity strategy here but we're driving the cattle truck very slowly as to not overburden the health services.

Things like no queuing to get into shops, buses running at full capacity and offices opening as normal with all employees on site.

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 10:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That just means the virus got in but caused no symptoms, meaning disease was avoided, which is a good sign.
New studies suggest that immunity is sustained.

So they were asymptomatic? Are we sure asymptomatic people actually spread it?
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The Zhongshan Hospital of this city found a case of new coronary pneumonia from Jilin who came to Shanghai for medical treatment. After investigation, the case was diagnosed as an imported confirmed case overseas in April this year, and was discharged after isolation treatment.

The case came to Shanghai in the afternoon of August 9 and went to Zhongshan Hospital for medical treatment in the morning of August 10. The hospital took samples and tested the hospitalized cases according to the relevant requirements of "should be checked." The test results were positive for the new coronavirus nucleic acid and diagnosed as asymptomatic cases of Fuyang. They have been transferred to designated medical institutions for isolation and treatment. His wife came to Shanghai with her, and the nucleic acid test was negative, and quarantine measures have been implemented.

The city immediately carried out prevention and control measures such as follow-up and investigation of close contacts and terminal disinfection. Up to now, a total of 23 people in close contact with the city have been tracked and managed, and isolation measures have been implemented, and nucleic acid tests have all been negative.
...............
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/rHlCRo9bhoJ4S1LlZE8-bQ

eagle eye · 13-08-2020 10:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote:

I don't think we'll hear anything.

So you are guessing now.

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 10:52PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So you are guessing now.

Just like you are guessing re-infection is possible based on 1 story.

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 10:52PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not sure what your trying to say, are the pubs the major vectors in those lockdowns or maybe it's a knee jerk reaction to just shut everything down, it's not any kind of strategy to just keep shutting everything down.
The term using a sledgehammer to crack a nut springs to mind.

It was the fact that he was unfortunately giving Melbourne as an example ....when Victoria was just going back into lockdown .
Just reminded me of it and made me chuckle.

Clip is interesting alright ,and if it was policed properly it would be alright ...therein lies the problem though .

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 10:54PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There's more than just be story, there's two in China, one in Durban, SA as well.

We would have heard thousands of stories by now if it was true, in my opinion. There's 20 million+ confirmed cases and very little evidence.

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 10:55PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Things like no queuing to get into shops, buses running at full capacity and offices opening as normal with all employees on site.

Time to move to move to a smaller place if you want that kind of normality quickly. Can't see offices and buses at full capacity for a while.

eagle eye · 13-08-2020 10:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote:

Just like you are guessing re-infection is possible based on 1 story.

There's more than just one story, there's two in China, one in Durban, SA as well. And these are facts, no guessing on my part.

igCorcaigh · 13-08-2020 10:57PM

It may be true but rare.
I think reinfection is not a significant story at all.
Hope I'm right!

eagle eye · 13-08-2020 10:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote:

We would have heard thousands of stories by now if it was true, in my opinion. There's 20 million+ confirmed cases and very little evidence.

Typical dismissive fairweather thinking. You go ahead and be a guinea pig. Don't come back here crying if you get covid-19.

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 10:58PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Typical dismissive fairweather thinking. You go ahead and be a guinea pig. Don't come back here crying if you get covid-19.

Uhm, okay?

mountgomery burns · 13-08-2020 10:58PM

If you're looking at 7 day averages every day, and you have a particularly high day, invariably the average will rise on that dayy. It's not really hugely different to looking at one day in isolation. Better to assess it at regular intervals, such as Monday-Sunday each week or otherwise.

Testing numbers have increased the last two days, I think that's a comforting thing because they'd taken a fairly sharp dip recently despite a few events you would have thought would have prompted them to rise.

Sconsey · 13-08-2020 11:01PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not sure what your getting at, are you saying there's no need for real world trials?

I'm saying you choose to ignore a multitude of studies (probably because you don't like the conclusion) but think this one study from Denmark will trump everything else produced on the topic (the topic being how effective masks are). You seem to think if a study is done in a lab it is irrelevant.

DubInMeath wrote: »

I'm still waiting for the collapsed supply chain, rampant starvation, garda and the army on the streets based on their posts in March along with the report of the shoot out they were going to have with the garda or army personnel who tried to stop them doing what ever they wanted.

No Idea what you are on about or why you are quoting me.

Goldengirl · 13-08-2020 11:02PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The evidence seems to be pointing that way, we'll have some real world evidence from Denmark soon as there doing the worlds first randomized trials. At the moment there is no evidence to say masking the unsick gives any advantage in stopping Covid.

True, but how do you know if someone is ' unsick' or an asymptomatic spreader , without regular testing ?

seanb85 · 13-08-2020 11:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We would have heard thousands of stories by now if it was true, in my opinion. There's 20 million+ confirmed cases and very little evidence.

Other corona viruses only produce immunity lasting 3 - 12 months, we're probably only now getting to the period where we will find out if reinfection is likely or possible, the next 6 months will tell us a lot. If it does occur hopefully B and T cells will mean a milder infection.

MOR316 · 13-08-2020 11:04PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Typical dismissive fairweather thinking. You go ahead and be a guinea pig. Don't come back here crying if you get covid-19.

What the absolute ****?

:D:D

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 11:05PM

@ACitizenErased, what's your take on this from Ivor Cummins..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU3OibcindQ

Micky 32 · 13-08-2020 11:05PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Things like no queuing to get into shops, buses running at full capacity and offices opening as normal with all employees on site.

If a vaccine is approved ( looking more likely there will be than not) and provided you take it you’ll be safe enough to do what you want including travelling again.

DevilsHaircut · 13-08-2020 11:05PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1293746229059477504?s=19

It must be rare though, so will not impact on efforts to achieve herd immunity through vaccination.

Concerning as regards reinfection, but can't be conclusively proven without genome sequencing of the virus.

fritzelly · 13-08-2020 11:08PM

This thread has become a b*tching match the past few days

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