Is it just me or have SF vanished?

markodaly · 13-08-2020 12:47PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yet again with the selective certainty and willingness to “hazard a guess” that your experiences reflect everyone else’s experience.
Yet your opinion on questions hat you don’t want to answer remains “I don’t know”.

Francie has it down to a fine art in fairness.

Feign ignorance and write something generic to describe something serious, 'it happens everywhere!'
Move the goalposts if the above doesnt work.
Whatbabout over another issue that moves the goalposts to another pitch.
Or... if that fails, talk about Leo or FG and posts pic or tweet.

Rinse and repeat.

SafeSurfer · 13-08-2020 12:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well list these things then for us, tell us WHAT YOU KNOW with such certainty:

1. How many 'informers' can you actually name?

2. How many sexual abusers can you name?

You won't name any of these communities 'living in fear, then and now', maybe you will share 1, and 2, above.

Maybe you could explain why parents not living in fear would deliver their children to be shot?

markodaly · 13-08-2020 12:50PM

jm08 wrote: »

No. Not at all. Criminal gangs and Mafia would be wiped out in a few days if British Army troops were after them. When internment was introduced about 2,000 people were interned without trial.

Oh yes, and that is why there was zero crime during the entire troubles and why organsied crime and mafia organisation from Italy to Russia are no longer! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The PIRA had zero mandate. Its the worst example of creationist evangelical nonsense to say that they did.

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 12:52PM

markodaly wrote: »

...and the classic Francie response to SF criticism.

Post up a photo of Leo, as if that is an argument.
Are you still sore about the fact that when you type in "Gerry Adams murderer" that one gets 1.5 million hits?
Maybe that is because Gerry who was never in the IRA Adams did indeed order the murder of people.

Anyway, getting back on topic.

So what is SF's position on Hong Kong, seeing as one of their MEP's abstained in bringing China to the International Criminal Court of their illegal clamdown in Hong Kong and MoN's fawning to China in a recent video call?

I never typed in 'Gerry Adams Murderer' in my life.

If you used google for anything other than your bias youmight have come across this, in which the Chinese more or less admit to gilding the lily and the politician's involve spell out their positions.

Nice try mark...but the story died on you.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/china-removes-statement-on-ni-leaders-respect-for-hong-kong-security-laws-39443514.html

Superfoods · 13-08-2020 12:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well list these things then for us, tell us WHAT YOU KNOW with such certainty:

1. How many 'informers' can you actually name?

2. How many sexual abusers can you name?

You won't name any of these communities 'living in fear, then and now', maybe you will share 1, and 2, above.

At the moment you just seem to be fishing for information then replaying it back. Look at the last few posts when someone mentioned anything about the troubles, next post if from you with a little "story"

You support Sinn Fein and are clearly passionate about them. You must have read every single book/article on them. Why bother making up stories? they have a murky past. Trying to hide that won't change it.

Making out the PIRA was the local good guy is laughable, majority where psycopaths that had no issues hurting or killing people for no reason than the person was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Remember the Shankill bombing, they knew the target was not in chip shop, they walked in and seen children/women etc. This was not a remote bomb. These people are now seemingly your best mate down the pub?

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 12:54PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Maybe you could explain why parents not living in fear would deliver their children to be shot?

Jesus SS, I have never said that punishment beatings or shootings didn't happen.

Where are the 'communities living in fear, then and now'?

A woman is not a 'community'

markodaly · 13-08-2020 12:55PM

During the recent trial of the murder of Det. Garda Adrian Donohoe, where Aaron Brady was convicted of capital murder, it was said, and these are in the court records, that:

"The atmosphere of South Armagh was mentioned repeatadly during the trial, with Gardai admitting that people along the border were slow to talk. People can be killed for doing so, it was said during the trial"

Truthvader · 13-08-2020 12:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Intimidation of witnesses is a targetted and individual thing. I have several times now said it goes on and went on.

But we are talking about the trope of 'communities living in fear, then and now'.

STILL not a single example of one given.

Two words

Paul. Quinn.

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 12:56PM

Superfoods wrote: »

I know for certainty you never lived anywhere close to the border during the troubles

At the moment you just seem to be fishing for information then replaying it back. Look at the last few posts when someone mentioned anything about the troubles, next post if from you with a little "story"

You support Sinn Fein and are clearly passionate about them. You must have read every single book/article on them. Why bother making up stories? they have a murky past. Trying to hide that won't change it.

Making out the PIRA was the local good guy is laughable, majority where psycopaths that had no issues hurting or killing people for no reason than the person was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Remember the Shankill bombing, they knew the target was not in chip shop, they walked in and seen children/women etc. This was not a remote bomb. These people are now seemingly your best mate down the pub?

I'll ignore that for the nonsense it is.

markodaly · 13-08-2020 12:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never typed in 'Gerry Adams Murderer' in my life.

Maybe you should, you may learn something.

If you used google for anything other than your bias youmight have come across this, in which the Chinese more or less admit to gilding the lily and the politician's involve spell out their positions.

Nice try mark...but the story died on you.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/china-removes-statement-on-ni-leaders-respect-for-hong-kong-security-laws-39443514.html

Doesnt answer the question. What is SF's position on it?

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 12:57PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Two words

Paul. Quinn.

The 'community' that lives in fear, but still elects COnor Murphy over and over again with a massive vote.

Have you never stopped to think about that one?

Can you rationalise it for us?

Truthvader · 13-08-2020 01:02PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'community' that lives in fear, but still elects COnor Murphy over and over again with a massive vote.

Have you never stopped to think about that one?

Can you rationalise it for us?

Honestly no. It is absolutely beyond me why or how any normal human being could vote for or support anything connected to Sinn Fein/ IRA. But as you and thousands like you demonstrate time and again you have no problem with the murders and thievery

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 01:02PM

markodaly wrote: »

Maybe you should, you may learn something.

Doesnt answer the question. What is SF's position on it?

It's there in the article,

Michelle O'Neill wrote:

“I made it very clear that I supported the ‘One Country, Two Systems’ international agreement.”

Chinese Embassy gilds the lily...sindo and the usual suspects swallow the bait. Chinese Embassy withdraws spin...usual suspects slink away...muttering about sinister stuff...etc etc.

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 01:04PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Honestly no. It is absolutely beyond me why or how any normal human being could vote for or support anything connected to Sinn Fein/ IRA. But as you and thousands like you demonstrate time and again you have no problem with the murders and thievery

Nor do you wish to understand.

So would you agree that a massive majority of the community electing somebody in free and democratic elections is not consistent with a lazy trope of 'communities living in fear, then and now'?

If not, what is it 'consistent' with?

jm08 · 13-08-2020 01:05PM

markodaly wrote: »

Oh yes, and that is why there was zero crime during the entire troubles and why organsied crime and mafia organisation from Italy to Russia are no longer! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The PIRA had zero mandate. Its the worst example of creationist evangelical nonsense to say that they did.

Strangely enough, in most countries, they observe the international convention on human rights which in this kind of case means you can't just round up people and throw them in jail in normal countries.

Still, the UK seems to be determined to leave this organisation, so no doubt in the future they will just round up all criminals and just throw them in jail.

Superfoods · 13-08-2020 01:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'll ignore that for the nonsense it is.

I expected you would ignore it.

So far your fantasy land doesn't include the PIRA walking into a chip shop with a bomb and looking at children knowing they would kill them.

You want everyone to believe you somehow lived in the border during the "troubles" and everything was rosy, apart from the British Army. You have to wonder why they called them the "troubles" and why the Good Friday Agreement was such a momentous occasion in Irish History.

According to you sure everything was grand before it. Sure why did they even bother? It falling apart quickly the little stories isn't it?

SafeSurfer · 13-08-2020 01:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jesus SS, I have never said that punishment beatings or shootings didn't happen.

Where are the 'communities living in fear, then and now'?

A woman is not a 'community'

A woman is not a community!

A woman. Singular. Because only one child was shot or beaten by your heroes. Really Francie. By arguing in the face of reality you undermine everything you say.

www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-49153095

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2019/1004/1081089-father-denis-faul/

www.irishtimes.com/news/dundalk-beatings-blamed-on-the-ira-1.1118133%3fmode=amp

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/paramilitaries-control-ni-communities-with-muscle-and-fear-1.2628383%3fmode=amp

https://magill.ie/archive/fear-and-loathing-fermanagh

Maybe now Francie you would be kind enough to provide some links to support your belief that no communities lived in fear during the troubles.

markodaly · 13-08-2020 01:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

STILL not a single example of one given.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/torture-gang-vows-to-kill-five-quinn-bosses-38519219.html

Werent you on here last year, laughing at the abduction and torture of Kevin Lumney?
Yes, yes you were!

Truthvader · 13-08-2020 01:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nor do you wish to understand.

So would you agree that a massive majority of the community electing somebody in free and democratic elections is not consistent with a lazy trope of 'communities living in fear, then and now'?

If not, what is it 'consistent' with?

A sick society that has lost its way

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 01:26PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Maybe now Francie you would be kind enough to provide some links to support your belief that no communities lived in fear during the troubles.

I never claimed that:

Here is what I said initially

I was totally aware of 'republican figures', but this 'community living in fear stuf' is a complete and utter nonsense here.
In respect of the town I lived in for the best part of 50 years I am not aware of a single 'punishment beating/shooting' or a 'republican figure laying down the law as you say was widespread.

It's an easy thing to print and say, much harder to find evidence of it being a widespread phenomena.
Punishment beatings happened in certain areas, we all know that, but whole communities living in fear across NI and along the border does not for a minute match the reality, it's a gross distortion of the truth, just as representing the area as 'lawless' is.

You still haven't named one single community, much less demonstrate it was widespread.

That is evidence in and of itself that what we have here is a classic 'trope' and a lazy one at that.

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 01:26PM

markodaly wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/torture-gang-vows-to-kill-five-quinn-bosses-38519219.html

Werent you on here last year, laughing at the abduction and torture of Kevin Lumney?
Yes, yes you were!

What?

markodaly · 13-08-2020 01:28PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

You heard me, you made a big joke about that incident.
Laughing about the torture of a man.

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 01:31PM

markodaly wrote: »

You heard me, you made a big joke about that incident.
Laughing about the torture of a man.

Where?

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 01:38PM

Truthvader wrote: »

A sick society that has lost its way

So any community/constituency that returns a SFer is 'sick'?

markodaly · 13-08-2020 01:46PM

jm08 wrote: »

Strangely enough, in most countries, they observe the international convention on human rights which in this kind of case means you can't just round up people and throw them in jail in normal countries.

Still, the UK seems to be determined to leave this organisation, so no doubt in the future they will just round up all criminals and just throw them in jail.

Again, you are trying to shift the discussion.

The truth of it is, criminal organisations like the mafia or the PIRA can survive by sheer fear and terror alone, yet they do not have the support of the wider community.

Truthvader · 13-08-2020 01:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So any community/constituency that returns a SFer is 'sick'?

Yep, now you have it.

It is not OK to murder random people in pursuit of any anything or to break the legs of children, steal, extort etc etc. 25% of the population don't seem to know that or are happy to live with it on the promise of free housing or a united Ireland - or whatever Mary Lou promises them from time to time. Not OK. Sick and lost.

FrancieBrady · 13-08-2020 01:52PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Yep, now you have it.

It is not OK to murder random people in pursuit of any anything or to break the legs of children, steal, extort etc etc. 25% of the population don't seem to know that or are happy to live with it on the promise of free housing or a united Ireland - or whatever Mary Lou promises them from time to time. Not OK. Sick and lost.

What about the communities that elect the people who sent the British Army here, who killed children (18 of them that we know about, alleged to have killed far more) and innocent people too, again many that we know about and many that are alleged...sick as well?

jm08 · 13-08-2020 01:57PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

A woman is not a community!

A woman. Singular. Because only one child was shot or beaten by your heroes. Really Francie. By arguing in the face of reality you undermine everything you say.

www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-49153095

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2019/1004/1081089-father-denis-faul/

www.irishtimes.com/news/dundalk-beatings-blamed-on-the-ira-1.1118133%3fmode=amp

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/paramilitaries-control-ni-communities-with-muscle-and-fear-1.2628383%3fmode=amp

https://magill.ie/archive/fear-and-loathing-fermanagh

Maybe now Francie you would be kind enough to provide some links to support your belief that no communities lived in fear during the troubles.

Can you answer my question of whether you are able to distinguish between PIRA, New IRA etc.

When you have answered that, I'll ask you another.

For the record (any of the links I clinked on post GFA were all dissident republican activities). The criticism of Sinn Fein seems to be that the PIRA had legitimised this kind of activity during the Troubles.

jm08 · 13-08-2020 02:00PM

markodaly wrote: »

Again, you are trying to shift the discussion.

The truth of it is, criminal organisations like the mafia or the PIRA can survive by sheer fear and terror alone, yet they do not have the support of the wider community.

You are wrong in the case of the PIRA. The nationalist community turned to the PIRA for defence when attacked by the RUC/BA/loyalist paramilitaries. Internment and the hunger strikes won them all the community support they needed.

Truthvader · 13-08-2020 02:01PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What about the communities that elect the people who sent the British Army here, who killed children (18 of them that we know about, alleged to have killed far more) and innocent people too, again many that we know about and many that are alleged...sick as well?

"What about". You just cant stop yourself can you.

Not going into all this again but for starters the British Army was actually sent here to protect the Catholic community from their Protestant neigbours. There were some disgraceful acts committed by the British Army but unlike Sinn Fein IRA they were not full time dedicated to murder and thuggery

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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