SafeSurfer wrote: » Yet again with the selective certainty and willingness to “hazard a guess” that your experiences reflect everyone else’s experience. Yet your opinion on questions hat you don’t want to answer remains “I don’t know”.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Well list these things then for us, tell us WHAT YOU KNOW with such certainty: 1. How many 'informers' can you actually name? 2. How many sexual abusers can you name? You won't name any of these communities 'living in fear, then and now', maybe you will share 1, and 2, above.
jm08 wrote: » No. Not at all. Criminal gangs and Mafia would be wiped out in a few days if British Army troops were after them. When internment was introduced about 2,000 people were interned without trial.
markodaly wrote: » ...and the classic Francie response to SF criticism. Post up a photo of Leo, as if that is an argument. Are you still sore about the fact that when you type in "Gerry Adams murderer" that one gets 1.5 million hits? Maybe that is because Gerry who was never in the IRA Adams did indeed order the murder of people. Anyway, getting back on topic. So what is SF's position on Hong Kong, seeing as one of their MEP's abstained in bringing China to the International Criminal Court of their illegal clamdown in Hong Kong and MoN's fawning to China in a recent video call?
SafeSurfer wrote: » Maybe you could explain why parents not living in fear would deliver their children to be shot?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Intimidation of witnesses is a targetted and individual thing. I have several times now said it goes on and went on. But we are talking about the trope of 'communities living in fear, then and now'. STILL not a single example of one given.
Superfoods wrote: » I know for certainty you never lived anywhere close to the border during the troubles At the moment you just seem to be fishing for information then replaying it back. Look at the last few posts when someone mentioned anything about the troubles, next post if from you with a little "story" You support Sinn Fein and are clearly passionate about them. You must have read every single book/article on them. Why bother making up stories? they have a murky past. Trying to hide that won't change it. Making out the PIRA was the local good guy is laughable, majority where psycopaths that had no issues hurting or killing people for no reason than the person was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Remember the Shankill bombing, they knew the target was not in chip shop, they walked in and seen children/women etc. This was not a remote bomb. These people are now seemingly your best mate down the pub?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I never typed in 'Gerry Adams Murderer' in my life.
If you used google for anything other than your bias youmight have come across this, in which the Chinese more or less admit to gilding the lily and the politician's involve spell out their positions. Nice try mark...but the story died on you.https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/china-removes-statement-on-ni-leaders-respect-for-hong-kong-security-laws-39443514.html
Truthvader wrote: » Two words Paul. Quinn.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The 'community' that lives in fear, but still elects COnor Murphy over and over again with a massive vote. Have you never stopped to think about that one? Can you rationalise it for us?
markodaly wrote: » Maybe you should, you may learn something. Doesnt answer the question. What is SF's position on it?
Michelle O'Neill wrote: “I made it very clear that I supported the ‘One Country, Two Systems’ international agreement.”
Truthvader wrote: » Honestly no. It is absolutely beyond me why or how any normal human being could vote for or support anything connected to Sinn Fein/ IRA. But as you and thousands like you demonstrate time and again you have no problem with the murders and thievery
markodaly wrote: » Oh yes, and that is why there was zero crime during the entire troubles and why organsied crime and mafia organisation from Italy to Russia are no longer! :rolleyes::rolleyes: The PIRA had zero mandate. Its the worst example of creationist evangelical nonsense to say that they did.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I'll ignore that for the nonsense it is.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Jesus SS, I have never said that punishment beatings or shootings didn't happen. Where are the 'communities living in fear, then and now'? A woman is not a 'community'
FrancieBrady wrote: » STILL not a single example of one given.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nor do you wish to understand. So would you agree that a massive majority of the community electing somebody in free and democratic elections is not consistent with a lazy trope of 'communities living in fear, then and now'? If not, what is it 'consistent' with?
SafeSurfer wrote: » Maybe now Francie you would be kind enough to provide some links to support your belief that no communities lived in fear during the troubles.
I was totally aware of 'republican figures', but this 'community living in fear stuf' is a complete and utter nonsense here. In respect of the town I lived in for the best part of 50 years I am not aware of a single 'punishment beating/shooting' or a 'republican figure laying down the law as you say was widespread. It's an easy thing to print and say, much harder to find evidence of it being a widespread phenomena. Punishment beatings happened in certain areas, we all know that, but whole communities living in fear across NI and along the border does not for a minute match the reality, it's a gross distortion of the truth, just as representing the area as 'lawless' is.
markodaly wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/torture-gang-vows-to-kill-five-quinn-bosses-38519219.html Werent you on here last year, laughing at the abduction and torture of Kevin Lumney? Yes, yes you were!
FrancieBrady wrote: » What?
markodaly wrote: » You heard me, you made a big joke about that incident. Laughing about the torture of a man.
Truthvader wrote: » A sick society that has lost its way
jm08 wrote: » Strangely enough, in most countries, they observe the international convention on human rights which in this kind of case means you can't just round up people and throw them in jail in normal countries. Still, the UK seems to be determined to leave this organisation, so no doubt in the future they will just round up all criminals and just throw them in jail.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So any community/constituency that returns a SFer is 'sick'?
Truthvader wrote: » Yep, now you have it. It is not OK to murder random people in pursuit of any anything or to break the legs of children, steal, extort etc etc. 25% of the population don't seem to know that or are happy to live with it on the promise of free housing or a united Ireland - or whatever Mary Lou promises them from time to time. Not OK. Sick and lost.
SafeSurfer wrote: » A woman is not a community! A woman. Singular. Because only one child was shot or beaten by your heroes. Really Francie. By arguing in the face of reality you undermine everything you say.www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-49153095https://www.rte.ie/archives/2019/1004/1081089-father-denis-faul/www.irishtimes.com/news/dundalk-beatings-blamed-on-the-ira-1.1118133%3fmode=ampwww.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/paramilitaries-control-ni-communities-with-muscle-and-fear-1.2628383%3fmode=amphttps://magill.ie/archive/fear-and-loathing-fermanagh Maybe now Francie you would be kind enough to provide some links to support your belief that no communities lived in fear during the troubles.
markodaly wrote: » Again, you are trying to shift the discussion. The truth of it is, criminal organisations like the mafia or the PIRA can survive by sheer fear and terror alone, yet they do not have the support of the wider community.
FrancieBrady wrote: » What about the communities that elect the people who sent the British Army here, who killed children (18 of them that we know about, alleged to have killed far more) and innocent people too, again many that we know about and many that are alleged...sick as well?
