2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Tippex wrote: »

Yes I work on statistical analysis on a daily basis and fully aware of a random sample but you never stated the size of the poll but used the term “the majority of americans” as opposed to the majority of a sample of 1000 people polled.

I'm sure you do. Nothing wrong with that sample size. The "estimate" is nearly always implicit. Even our experts say the R value is 1.6 instead of the estimated R value.

Rasmussen however are bad pollsters, Nate Silver (538.com) only rates them C+ with a very large house bias.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So you're saying that the Teleprompter told him that the Spanish flu ended World War 2????

Or when he talked about the Oranges of a Story?

Or when he said that the British took over the airports during the War of Independence?

You know there's a website selling postcards with all the utterly dumb stuff he's said right?

Are people being deliberately obtuse?

I’m saying those are mistakes Trump wouldn’t have made if he were smarter or more knowledgable but he was able to say those things comprehensibly is my point.

You keep citing the content of Trump’s speech a counter example to what I’m saying. I’m not talking about his content. I’m talking about his ability to speak for extended periods without drifting off and forgetting where he is.

That’s a basic cognitive ability that people gradually lose as they get older. Some lose it faster than others. My point is that Trump destroys Biden in that category regardless of all the other stuff.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In fairness, you did also claim he's a strong public speaker which is categorically untrue based on the nonsense that emerges from him....

A lot of nonsense came out of Hitler too. And he’s ranked among the best public speakers of the 20th century.

Once again, this isn’t about content it’s about ability.

timsey tiger wrote: »

You do realise you can't be understood if you are contradicting yourself. But I guess you know the meaning of covfefe.

Still waiting for the 5 min. clip.

How am I contradicting myself?

When did I promise you a five minute clip?

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So you are saying you value Style over Substance??

What he says or does doesn't really matter as long as he looks and sounds good doing it??

That right there is the story of American Politics in a nutshell.

It does capture Trump perfectly though - "All mouth and no trousers" as the saying goes.

No it’s not style. It’s pretty basic. I’m taking the fact that Trump can speak for extended periods of time without forgetting he’s alive as an indicator of basic cognitive ability that Biden appears to be lacking.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

How am I contradicting myself?

When did I promise you a five minute clip?

From this reply I'm inferring you don't know what it means to be not logically consistent.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So what?

Your position is that you'd rather have an absolute Cretin that can talk utter bollocks with confidence over an intelligent man with a stammer that might have lost a step?

My position is simply that the most basic pre-requisite for being president would be having a fully functional brain.

And I’m using Trump’s speaking ability as an indicator of this.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

If we’re talking about intellect, you might ask “Is Trump intelligent enough to be a good president?”

If we’re talking about cognitive ability, you might ask “Does Trump’s brain work?”

Well I wouldn't need to ask does Trumps brain work.

For the rest of us cognative ability means fluid intelligence. A measure of our ability to learn new sh1t.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The answer to both questions is categorically No.

Actually the answer to one of them is “yes”.

This is what the cognitive test Trump took was for. The one with the elephants. People were mocking Trump by saying the test wasn’t hard and that was the whole point. The test is designed to check if you’re basic cognitive faculties are in decline or not. In other words, does your brain work properly.

When Trump was trying to goad Biden into taking the test, it wasn’t to show Trump was a genius but rather to expose Biden’s cognitive decline.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Trump is not intelligent in any measurable way , he has a level of cunning or "street smarts" if you will , but it's not intelligence.

Nor does his brain work like a normal person - He is utterly incapable of empathy or any normal human emotion outside of anger and lust.

His first, last and only thought is of himself - Every single action and deed is based solely on how it benefits him or how he can hurt those he thinks "wronged" him

On every conceivable level he is totally completely and utterly unsuited to any position of authority over others.

I'll take a good man that *maybe* thinks/operates a little slower than he used to over a quick-thinking vindictive amoral charlatan every day of the week

**yawn**

Do you really need to be so hysterical?
I know you don’t like him but c’mon, you’re TDS is showing.

Sean.3516 wrote: »

A lot of nonsense came out of Hitler too. And he’s ranked among the best public speakers of the 20th century.

Once again, this isn’t about content it’s about ability.

Comparing his ability to Hitler's? Interesting.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Trump is not intelligent in any measurable way , he has a level of cunning or "street smarts" if you will , but it's not intelligence.

I disagree. He’s done far too many complicated things in his life (and had reasonably good success) for me to assume he’s stupid.

He built a fortune of 4.5 billion and a large multinational organisation. Fair enough, he had the famous “small loan of a million dollars”. But it’s a lot easier to lose a million than to turn it into billions. New York real estate isn’t an easy business. You can’t attribute all his success to the silver spoon. He’s had ups and downs and managed to come back pretty much consistently.

He was also ran a successful TV show which isn’t easy either (and did so successfully).

Not to mention he ran for the US presidency and managed to win. Unlike most presidential candidates who go from rally to rally reciting the same speech, Trump managed to give a unique and at many times extemporaneous speeches wherever he went. Unintelligent people don’t do that.

If I were to guess I’d say he’s 115 to 125 IQ. Not a genius but still quite bright.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Nor does his brain work like a normal person - He is utterly incapable of empathy or any normal human emotion outside of anger and lust.

I’ve heard him give emotional speeches before. For example when he spoke about his brother who died of alchoholism and how that inspired him to be a lifelong teetotaller.
Likewise when he talked about writing letters to the families of dead military members and witnessing caskets being unloaded from planes.
Recently he hosted families of crime victims from various big cities at the White House. I would say he seemed genuinely empathetic.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

His first, last and only thought is of himself - Every single action and deed is based solely on how it benefits him or how he can hurt those he thinks "wronged" him

Nobody’s “first, last and only thought” is of themselves.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

On every conceivable level he is totally completely and utterly unsuited to any position of authority over others.

He might well be unsuited to the presidency. In fact I’d say he probably is. But he’s managed people his entire life and as I’ve said, he’s been reasonably successful.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I'll take a good man that *maybe* thinks/operates a little slower than he used to over a quick-thinking vindictive amoral charlatan every day of the week

“Amoral” is a bit strong. Vindictive? Sure. Charlatan? In some instances yes.
I’d put him in over Biden.