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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #902
    [Deleted User]
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    The experience across Europe and the UK seems to suggest that COVID hospitalisations are way down despite infections having risen substantially. And we are way past the infection to hospital to ICU lag time (especially in the UK). It seems that a much higher proportion of people in this ‘2nd wave’ are asymptomatic.

    So I think it’s really important to know now why people are dying. Not ‘with COVID’, from conditions that they would have died with anyway, but ‘from COVID’ or COVID complications. If this trend continues and we don’t see a spike in hospitalisations or direct ‘from COVID’ deaths in the next month or so then IMO it really changes the balance of lockdowns v public health.

    It will make lockdowns far more damaging than the virus. Im worried that governments around the EU are so beholden to the lockdown strategy that they will never change tack, even in the absence of meaningful hospitalisation numbers

    Is too early to say definitively, but I’m worried that lockdowns will continue when they don’t need to


  • #903
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    MD1990 wrote: »
    #LANGERSDOWN

    it would be for the good of the country.
    If you're thinking about the good of the country then leave us alone and shut down the pale


  • #904
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    2 words......
    Viral load


  • #905
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The experience across Europe and the UK seems to suggest that COVID hospitalisations are way down despite infections having risen substantially. And we are way past the infection to hospital to ICU lag time (especially in the UK). It seems that a much higher proportion of people in this ‘2nd wave’ are asymptomatic.

    So I think it’s really important to know now why people are dying. Not ‘with COVID’, from conditions that they would have died with anyway, but ‘from COVID’ or COVID complications. If this trend continues and we don’t see a spike in hospitalisations or direct ‘from COVID’ deaths in the next month or so then IMO it really changes the balance of lockdowns v public health.

    It will make lockdowns far more damaging than the virus. Im worried that governments around the EU are so beholden to the lockdown strategy that they will never change tack, even in the absence of meaningful hospitalisation numbers

    Is too early to say definitively, but I’m worried that lockdowns will continue when they don’t need to
    "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" kind of thing?


  • #906
    Lyle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Lyle


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If you're thinking about the good of the country then leave us alone and shut down the pale

    Has Cork had a bad run of cases or something? Pops up often in the Statement but I don't remember seeing any more than 2 or 3 cases a day.


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  • #907
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Numbers are locked in since midnight last night, I highly highly highly doubt there's been some random last minute change.

    How do you know they ‘were locked in’?
    Do you mean to say you had some insider knowledge as to what numbers would be reported when all this time?
    If so you aura of numbers guy is waning.


  • #908
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Lyle wrote: »
    Has Cork had a bad run of cases or something? Pops up often in the Statement but I don't remember seeing any more than 2 or 3 cases a day.
    Nah there's nothing really going on down here, there's an outbreak alright in the northside of the city that's travel related but seems to be under control


  • #909
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    How do you know they ‘were locked in’?
    Do you mean to say you had some insider knowledge as to what numbers would be reported when all this time?
    If so you aura of numbers guy is waning.
    What are you talking about? Cases and deaths reported daily are up to midnight the previous night. Everyone knows this.


  • #910
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Nah there's nothing really going on down here, there's an outbreak alright in the northside of the city that's travel related but seems to be under control

    Why is it always under control? Do you know all the contacts etc? How can you possibly say it’s under control so soon?


  • #911
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Lyle wrote: »
    Has Cork had a bad run of cases or something? Pops up often in the Statement but I don't remember seeing any more than 2 or 3 cases a day.

    rumours all day of a big cluster in northside cork city


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  • #912
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    froog wrote: »
    rumours all day of a big cluster in northside cork city

    As big as the one in the hospital in Naas?


  • #913
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    froog wrote: »
    rumours all day of a big cluster in northside cork city
    I've known about it for a week and a half now, doesn't seem to have caused major case numbers


  • #914
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I've known about it for a week and a half now, doesn't seem to have caused major case numbers

    hopefully.


  • #915
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The experience across Europe and the UK seems to suggest that COVID hospitalisations are way down despite infections having risen substantially. And we are way past the infection to hospital to ICU lag time (especially in the UK). It seems that a much higher proportion of people in this ‘2nd wave’ are asymptomatic.

    So I think it’s really important to know now why people are dying. Not ‘with COVID’, from conditions that they would have died with anyway, but ‘from COVID’ or COVID complications. If this trend continues and we don’t see a spike in hospitalisations or direct ‘from COVID’ deaths in the next month or so then IMO it really changes the balance of lockdowns v public health.

    It will make lockdowns far more damaging than the virus. Im worried that governments around the EU are so beholden to the lockdown strategy that they will never change tack, even in the absence of meaningful hospitalisation numbers

    Is too early to say definitively, but I’m worried that lockdowns will continue when they don’t need to

    But we're in lockdowns, so rates of infections are nowhere near what they were or could be. Plus 2% of hundreds of thousands of cases still flattens most health services.

    Which is what lockdowns have been all about. This was never a 'we're all gonna die if we don't lockdown'. It was 'if we don't lockdown we'll have chaos in our health system and more people than could or even should die, will'.


  • #916
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    But we're in lockdowns, so rates of infections are nowhere near what they were or could be. Plus 2% of hundreds of thousands of cases still flattens most health services.
    We're testing much more and catching younger and asymptomatic cases. It's still the same virus.


  • #917
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    But we're in lockdowns, so rates of infections are nowhere near what they were or could be. Plus 2% of hundreds of thousands of cases still flattens most health services.

    Which is what lockdowns have been all about. This was never a 'we're all gonna die if we don't lockdown'. It was 'if we don't lockdown we'll have chaos in our health system and more people than could or even should die, will'.

    So why are we locking counties down then when we have 10 people in hospital?


  • #918
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    So why are we locking counties down then when we have 10 people in hospital?

    So it doesn't turn into 30 or 60 or 120. Kind of like why you apply the break in your car as you approach a wall.


  • #919
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,669 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    What time is the conference on at?


  • #920
    Stevieluvsye
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Have the numbers been announced ?


  • #921
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    So why are we locking counties down then when we have 10 people in hospital?

    because we don't want 1,000 in hospital.


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  • #922
    alroley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭alroley


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    So why are we locking counties down then when we have 10 people in hospital?

    To stop people ending up in hospital


  • #923
    dmc17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭dmc17


    Stevieluvsye wrote: »
    Have the numbers been announced ?

    Only in here


  • #924
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    So it doesn't turn into 30 or 60 or 120. Kind of like why you apply the break in your car as you approach a wall.

    Ye but as I approach the wall I press the pedal gently cos I know the wall is still a 100 metres away, no?


  • #925
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    alroley wrote: »
    To stop people ending up in hospital

    I thought it was about avoiding overflow not stopping hospitalisations entirely. Are we going for zero covid?


  • #926
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    UKs death numbers revised to show a much reduced recent curve.

    https://twitter.com/stevebrown2856/status/1293595318509023233?s=21


  • #927
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,107 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    dmc17 wrote: »
    Only in here

    Has it ?

    Where did they get the figures ?


  • #928
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Ye but as I approach the wall I press the pedal gently cos I know the wall is still a 100 metres away, no?

    And when you're driving, does the rate of your acceleration increase as your speed goes up?


  • #929
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Laois Offaly Cork Kildare =#LOCKdown

    My eyesight. I read that as COCKdown.


  • #930
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Ye but as I approach the wall I press the pedal gently cos I know the wall is still a 100 metres away, no?
    Yeah but why bother pressing the brake as your obviously a chancer. You might die if you hit it or you might not.


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  • #931
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Ye but as I approach the wall I press the pedal gently cos I know the wall is still a 100 metres away, no?
    Between you and the wall is a downward slope getting steeper every metre.

    Are you still pressing gently on the pedal?


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