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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #422
    growleaves
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You used to be one of the more level headed members of the restrictions thread cabal growleaves.

    I am writing in the context of a German politician calling for deportations and a Nashville politician calling for people to be charged with attempted murder for non-mask wearing.

    How extreme and unbalanced does the political environment have to become before people stop acting as if these measures were as neutral as a shot of penicillin?


  • #423
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    polesheep wrote: »
    But are they bringing it home to granny?

    Do they live with their granny... Do they even visit them? When mine were alive I'd see them 2-3 times a year at most.


  • #424
    0xzmro3n4y7lb5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 686 ✭✭✭0xzmro3n4y7lb5


    Was the briefing on today?


  • #425
    [Deleted User]
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    growleaves wrote: »
    I am writing in the context of a German politician calling for deportations and a Nashville politician calling for people to be charged with attempted murder for non-mask wearing.

    How extreme and unbalanced does the political environment have to become before people stop acting as if these measures were as neutral as a shot of penicillin?

    Individuals on all sides are calling for all sorts of mad measures. What an individual politician states does not form public policy


  • #426
    owlbethere
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    Do they have any indications whatsoever how community transmissions is happening?


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  • #427
    Wolf359f
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    By my count our 14 day incidence rate per 100k now is just slightly lower than the UK. Of course that won't be mentioned in the news. Only increases will.


  • #428
    Ficheall
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    When are the numbers from the naas hospital cluster expected to filter through?


  • #429
    road_high
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    By my count our 14 day incidence rate per 100k now is just slightly lower than the UK. Of course that won't be mentioned in the news. Only increases will.

    Yea that’s not a sexy doom monger headline. So will be promptly dropped soon as we dip below the U.K. Scary while it lasted though


  • #430
    [Deleted User]
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    Do they have any indications whatsoever how community transmissions is happening?

    People are getting exposed to carriers who are asymptomatic and never get tested or who are contacts of confirmed cases, but have not been identified as a close contact


  • #431
    tabby aspreme
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    When are the numbers from the naas hospital cluster expected to filter through?

    All tested clear.


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  • #432
    road_high
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    tabby aspreme wrote: »
    All tested clear.

    So all that nonsense on rte radio this evening (up to 8 they said) and they are clear? That fcukin loon Mary Wilson was asking would the whole hospital be closed down. If rte was closed down instead the country would be a much better place


  • #433
    JP Liz V1
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    Jolene Fit Dish wrote: »
    Was the briefing on today?

    I think only Mondays and Thursdays

    35 is good for today
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #434
    Westernyelp
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    JP Liz V1 wrote:
    I think only Mondays and Thursdays


    Think Wednesday this week


  • #435
    spookwoman
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    road_high wrote: »
    So all that nonsense on rte radio this evening (up to 8 they said) and they are clear? That fcukin loon Mary Wilson was asking would the whole hospital be closed down. If rte was closed down instead the country would be a much better place

    The staff member tested positive in recent days I believe it can take a number of days for the person infected to read as positive. Bit early yet to be sure no one is infected.


  • #436
    owlbethere
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    People are getting exposed to carriers who are asymptomatic and never get tested or who are contacts of confirmed cases, but have not been identified as a close contact

    If someone is asymptomatic of the virus that would tell me that they are without symptoms and walking around feeling well and are not coughing. How does someone become exposed to the virus from someone who's not expelling infectious body fluids from coughing?


  • #437
    Stheno
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    If someone is asymptomatic of the virus that would tell me that they are without symptoms and walking around feeling well and are not coughing. How does someone become exposed to the virus from someone who's not expelling infectious body fluids from coughing?

    Prolonged contact at houseparties?


  • #438
    ACitizenErased
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    If someone is asymptomatic of the virus that would tell me that they are without symptoms and walking around feeling well and are not coughing. How does someone become exposed to the virus from someone who's not expelling infectious body fluids from coughing?
    Talking closely with someone, shaking hands, etc.


  • #439
    owlbethere
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Prolonged contact at houseparties?

    Well, then that wouldnt really be an unknown exactly. If I became unwell and I have no known contacts confirmed as positive, I would trace back my steps and if I attended houseparties and was involved in crowds, I would consider that to be a strong contender for the exposure.

    I suppose it would still be considered as community transmission but it wouldnt be an unknown exactly.


  • #440
    Ineedaname
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    If someone is asymptomatic of the virus that would tell me that they are without symptoms and walking around feeling well and are not coughing. How does someone become exposed to the virus from someone who's not expelling infectious body fluids from coughing?

    They can still expel virus particles just from talking or even breathing . It's less than coughing or sneezing obviously but if you're in close proximity to them for long enough you're more likely to pick it up.

    There's also shouting or singing which are known to increase the risk of spreading the virus.


  • #441
    ShooterSF
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    growleaves wrote: »
    There's a difference between thinking that masks are helpful and the heavy-handed authoritarian approach that's been taken. They could've convinced/propagandised 80-90% of people to wear masks and just left the other people be.

    Instead you have headbanger Victoria police going around tackling people in Melbourne for not wearing a mask. (Notice that the guards here were too shrewd to alienate people and mostly increased their profile in the community even while having to police people far more heavily than usual.)

    Of course I'm going to take a "freedom" approach if western democracies are borrowing tactics from tinpot communist countries in order to enforce their directives. What a terrible mishandling of the whole thing and if they had any kind of subtely or appreciation of the fact that they are not abolsute rulers they'd have cooled it down a bit.

    The virus has no ideology blah blah blah. As if the only way to protect from a virus was to adopt the most rigid and provocative methods imaginable. And then supporters of authoritarianism (for a 'good cause') get annoyed at having it pointed out to them.

    Contrary to what people think just the fact of some medical necessity isn't a blank cheque to do whatever you want. And even if it was, picking the most riling thing to do doesn't then become wise.

    The problem is just look through this or many other threads at people pointing out things like "it's only advice /guidelines" "they can't enforce it" etc etc. This is why they end up having to bring in the heavy handed laws because until they do people shrug off advice to save lives unless they personally will be punished as crazy as that sounds.


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  • #442
    Micky 32
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    Just had a look at Worldometer. Seems the cases in the USA has peaked and starting to decline a little.

    Also worldwide cases have leveled off and maybe starting to decline.


  • #443
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Just had a look at Worldometer. Seems the cases in the USA has peaked and starting to decline a little.

    Also worldwide cases have leveled off and maybe starting to decline.

    I'd be wary of that. California had a software bug that prevented them from collecting accurate case data. Florida and Texas were both disrupted by the hurricane and are conducting almost half the tests they were two weeks ago.


  • #444
    Renjit
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    If someone is asymptomatic of the virus that would tell me that they are without symptoms and walking around feeling well and are not coughing. How does someone become exposed to the virus from someone who's not expelling infectious body fluids from coughing?

    That's why wearing a mask in public setting indoors will help prevent that to some extent. On contrary to people getting riled up with a simple piece of cloth :pac:


  • #445
    podgeandrodge
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    If someone is asymptomatic of the virus that would tell me that they are without symptoms and walking around feeling well and are not coughing. How does someone become exposed to the virus from someone who's not expelling infectious body fluids from coughing?

    Stheno wrote: »
    Prolonged contact at houseparties?

    You'll always find them in the kitchen at parties.


  • #446
    Renjit
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Just had a look at Worldometer. Seems the cases in the USA has peaked and starting to decline a little.

    Also worldwide cases have leveled off and maybe starting to decline.

    India still hasn't peaked.


  • #447
    podgeandrodge
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    Ineedaname wrote: »
    They can still expel virus particles just from talking or even breathing . It's less than coughing or sneezing obviously but if you're in close proximity to them for long enough you're more likely to pick it up.

    There's also shouting or singing which are known to increase the risk of spreading the virus.

    Not convinced this amounts to many cases. There seems to be a fair amount of asymptomatic people out there, and they are also in pubs and restaurants with no masks, and there isn't much community transmission still. I would think that most transmission is from symptomatic people (though perhaps not coughing their guts up and sneezing loudly).


  • #448
    Renjit
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Not convinced this amounts to many cases. There seems to be a fair amount of asymptomatic people out there, and they are also in pubs and restaurants with no masks, and there isn't much community transmission still. I would think that most transmission is from symptomatic people (though perhaps not coughing their guts up and sneezing loudly).

    You just need a superspreader out of these.


  • #449
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Renjit wrote: »
    You just need a superspreader out of these.

    True. But all you needed was a superspreader in all the months of no masks in supermarkets and it didn't happen. I think it is rare and mainly from people in close confinement with each other for periods of time.


  • #450
    Micky 32
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    Renjit wrote: »
    India still hasn't peaked.

    I wasn’t talking about India.


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  • #451
    Micky 32
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    Ineedaname wrote: »
    I'd be wary of that. California had a software bug that prevented them from collecting accurate case data. Florida and Texas were both disrupted by the hurricane and are conducting almost half the tests they were two weeks ago.

    It started to decline before the storm hit.


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