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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Fedone


    For Q4 October 2018 on occupiers liability, how would people go about answering? I can’t decide whether the question relates to state of the premises, so to then consider it in terms of the 1995 act or would it concern activities and then discuss in terms of the common law? Or should you consider both?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭EAA123


    What essays are people predicting to come up on the Tort paper???

    i have a feeling he will throw something unexpected as an essay as he usually does or else something really short that there is fa to write on after spending so much time revising lol

    but expecting duty of care like the judicial developments and limitations


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭lawgrad49


    Fedone wrote: »
    For Q4 October 2018 on occupiers liability, how would people go about answering? I can’t decide whether the question relates to state of the premises, so to then consider it in terms of the 1995 act or would it concern activities and then discuss in terms of the common law? Or should you consider both?

    Whenever you say discuss it in terms of the common law, could you clarify what you mean by that? Do you mean if it's an activity like bouncer hitting someone that is not due to state of premises so you analyse under Common Law?

    I see the Night before notes talks about Common Law Regime also but my manual/sample answers only ever deal with OL questions under the 1995 Act. I thought the 1995 act replaces common law rules?

    Could be missing something really obvious here but I've been doing sample answers on OL only ever mentioning the Act and related case law on deciding whether the Occupier has been reckless etc

    Thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭EAA123


    lawgrad49 wrote: »
    Whenever you say discuss it in terms of the common law, could you clarify what you mean by that? Do you mean if it's an activity like bouncer hitting someone that is not due to state of premises so you analyse under Common Law?

    I see the Night before notes talks about Common Law Regime also but my manual/sample answers only ever deal with OL questions under the 1995 Act. I thought the 1995 act replaces common law rules?

    Could be missing something really obvious here but I've been doing sample answers on OL only ever mentioning the Act and related case law on deciding whether the Occupier has been reckless etc

    Thanks!

    i also have that the common law rules were replaced by the 1995 act.

    section 2 (1) of the act provides for the replacement f the common law rules


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Fedone


    lawgrad49 wrote: »
    Whenever you say discuss it in terms of the common law, could you clarify what you mean by that? Do you mean if it's an activity like bouncer hitting someone that is not due to state of premises so you analyse under Common Law?

    I see the Night before notes talks about Common Law Regime also but my manual/sample answers only ever deal with OL questions under the 1995 Act. I thought the 1995 act replaces common law rules?

    Could be missing something really obvious here but I've been doing sample answers on OL only ever mentioning the Act and related case law on deciding whether the Occupier has been reckless etc

    Thanks!

    So my manual states that you can be sued under either the common law or the act. Exactly as you’ve said if it’s an activity such as a bouncer hitting the claimant it’s considered under the common law rules (and the corresponding entrant categories and duties owed) whereas if the claim is to do with the state of the premises the 1995 act applies. I’m struggling to differentiate between whether the problem questions refer to the state or activity. I would probably mention both in my answer to be safe and give my opinion on which one I think it is but I know the examiner isn’t fond of candidates giving a complete overview of the topic


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Fedone


    Also for essay questions on occupiers I would be aware of the old common law rules to be able to compare the old law and how the act has changed / improved on the common law rules


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Fedone wrote: »
    So my manual states that you can be sued under either the common law or the act. Exactly as you’ve said if it’s an activity such as a bouncer hitting the claimant it’s considered under the common law rules (and the corresponding entrant categories and duties owed) whereas if the claim is to do with the state of the premises the 1995 act applies. I’m struggling to differentiate between whether the problem questions refer to the state or activity. I would probably mention both in my answer to be safe and give my opinion on which one I think it is but I know the examiner isn’t fond of candidates giving a complete overview of the topic

    As far as I know in past exams the occupiers liability questions have never asked about activity it is always about state so you are probably safe to assume the question wants you to talk about the state of the premises i.e. the occupier's liability act.

    It should be clear from the question anyway, an activity would be someone hitting the plaintiff whereas the state would be a danger on the land itself like tripping on a dodgy boardwalk or something


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Iso_123


    The 1995 Occupiers liability act only replaced common law rules for damage/injury done due to the state of the premises. The common law still applies for injury done from activities taking place on the premises. The problem Q's tend to be on the state of premises (ie the act) but doesn't hurt to have some common law cases etc just in case essay comes up or you're unsure which to apply!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Healyjhow


    In regards to approaching a nuisance question could anyone clarify as my manual isnt great with approach. If discussing a private/public nuisance would you go through act/omission, damage/interference with rights in land, unreasonableness, causation, defence, special remedies for both? or does it differ? my manual has only the headings of obstruction and dangers for public nuisances and for private nuisances physical damage/ substantial interference with the use and enjoyment of land and then interference with servitude's. Any clarity would be so so helpful and much appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 LJones18


    Healyjhow wrote: »
    In regards to approaching a nuisance question could anyone clarify as my manual isnt great with approach. If discussing a private/public nuisance would you go through act/omission, damage/interference with rights in land, unreasonableness, causation, defence, special remedies for both? or does it differ? my manual has only the headings of obstruction and dangers for public nuisances and for private nuisances physical damage/ substantial interference with the use and enjoyment of land and then interference with servitude's. Any clarity would be so so helpful and much appreciated.



    My understanding for why they only mention Obstruction/Danger for Public Nuisance is because generally you are not interfering with anyone in particulars use/ enjoyment as it is public property, and rather you are just causing an obstruction or danger to other users of the public place?

    I would still be going through the act/ omission etc, causation and any defence/ remedy. I am not sure if reasonableness applies here??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 musicmanual123


    Hi there, does anyone have a sample answer or a guide on how to answer EU March 2018 Q3 question on Direct Effect of Directives, a completely reverse to his usual question on it and nothing similar in manual, just a bit concerning as he is known to often repeat questions...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭L.E.D


    I rang earlier and youre not allowed bring a bag into the Hall or leave it outside, I'm just wondering why? Cause obviously people that are travelling that morning will be bringing notes etc so they'll have to leave them in their coat under the desk..strange requirement!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 musicmanual123


    Lcork23 wrote: »
    Does anybody have a sample answer for EU law - Q2 in October 2019? It is an essay question on 'equivalence' and 'practical possibility' and the Pelati v Slovenia. The question seems to have come up a number of times in recent years but I do not have anything on it and there's nothing in my manual.

    Having the same issue with this too, no mention in manual of this topic in general :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Lawgrad101


    L.E.D wrote: »
    I rang earlier and youre not allowed bring a bag into the Hall or leave it outside, I'm just wondering why? Cause obviously people that are travelling that morning will be bringing notes etc so they'll have to leave them in their coat under the desk..strange requirement!

    Did they mention any other alternative ie a cloak room or anything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭L.E.D


    Lawgrad101 wrote: »
    Did they mention any other alternative ie a cloak room or anything?

    Nope, basically just said your jacket pocket for purse keys etc, but I'll have notes with me, so dunno how I'm gonna wing that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭L.E.D


    Lawgrad101 wrote: »
    Did they mention any other alternative ie a cloak room or anything?

    And I'm just realizing that I'll have to take the legislation with me, so I will defo have a bag or some description


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Lallers96


    L.E.D wrote: »
    I rang earlier and youre not allowed bring a bag into the Hall or leave it outside, I'm just wondering why? Cause obviously people that are travelling that morning will be bringing notes etc so they'll have to leave them in their coat under the desk..strange requirement!

    Could pass on germs way too easy if a load of bags are thrown together


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭20082014


    Hi,

    My manual doesn't seem to have anything in it about the liability of children, would anyone be able to tell me is there much to this or what is needed?

    I have some cases under the topic affirmative duties (Lennon, Curley v Mannion etc.) but I don't think I have enough if I had to write a paragraph on it tomorrow.

    Thank you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭spygirl


    20082014 wrote: »
    Hi,

    My manual doesn't seem to have anything in it about the liability of children, would anyone be able to tell me is there much to this or what is needed?

    I have some cases under the topic affirmative duties (Lennon, Curley v Mannion etc.) but I don't think I have enough if I had to write a paragraph on it tomorrow.

    Thank you!
    That's pretty much all there is. Just state it's direct liability for failure to control the kids, not vicariously liability. LRC recomended expanding to include as a form of VL in 2009. Normal neg rules apply, DoC, SoC, reasonable foreseeability etc and causation, just parents are responsible for children in thier charge, applies to teachers or anyone acting in parenta locus or however we spell that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭L.E.D


    Lallers96 wrote: »
    Could pass on germs way too easy if a load of bags are thrown together

    This is my thinking too, that's why I rang, to see if I could leave my bag under the table with my jacket, I'll have to figure something out!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 LJones18


    In the case of Various Claimants v Barclays Bank plc was the Scope test applied for VL , or the close connection test?

    And am I correct in saying the test for scope was initially adopted in Farry v Great Northern Railway Co.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    LJones18 wrote: »
    In the case of Various Claimants v Barclays Bank plc was the Scope test applied for VL , or the close connection test?

    And am I correct in saying the test for scope was initially adopted in Farry v Great Northern Railway Co.?

    Close connection...

    And Yes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Best of luck guys, hard work is done! Have a feeling it’s gunna be a lovely paper!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭spygirl


    Best of luck guys, hard work is done! Have a feeling it’s gunna be a lovely paper!!

    Nice to see not the only one burning the midnight oil. Thanks for that abd best of luck to you as well as well, I hope you're right lol.
    Praying for deliverance or miracles at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭vid36


    Good luck everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Lallers96


    Sigh. Don't you just love being woken by inconsiderate people at 1am, and then again by screeching seagulls at 4am before an exam?

    Guess it gives me time to have a look over stuff, I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭lsheehaneire


    Good luck to all today in tort !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭DFMCD190384


    Good luck all you Tort sitters. Hope it's a nice paper 🀞


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Lcork23


    Regarding EU Citizenship - does host Member States have to pay student fees as seen in Brown or do they not have to? I have read so many different things I have confused myself. Would love it if someone could clear it up?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭lsheehaneire


    From what I understand they are not obliged to as per art 24 (2) of the directive BUT an EU citizen can rely on the principle of equal treatment and non discrimination on the grounds of nationality under Art 18 TFEU.
    So basically if they are refused the grant / maintenance they can argue those two points....


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