Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

odyssey06 · 17-06-2020 12:01PM

elperello wrote: »

Drunk driver, legal fees, court costs, sounds pretty much you were talking about illegality and criminals to me.
Drink driving is illegal and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Making me pay more to drink a couple of bottles of beer in my own house will not address drink driving in any meaningful way.

It's like putting up the price of high powered cars in the vain hope there'll be less of them to use as getaway cars.

cadaliac · 17-06-2020 12:19PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

mup wont make a difference in addressing addiction and mental health issues, i cant see it solving anything actually

Actually, it will make a difference. To any addict, they will supply the habit, albeit this will make it more difficult to feed the habit, so other areas in their lives will suffer. It will make things substantially worse for them.
I don't think we need to point out what areas will suffer. MUP is nonsensical.

Wanderer78 · 17-06-2020 12:28PM

cadaliac wrote: »

Actually, it will make a difference. To any addict, they will supply the habit, albeit this will make it more difficult to feed the habit, so other areas in their lives will suffer. It will make things substantially worse for them.
I don't think we need to point out what areas will suffer. MUP is nonsensical.

but it probably wont reduce alcohol consumption overall, or help deal with underlining mental health issues, so you d have to wonder, what will mup actually do?

ohnonotgmail · 17-06-2020 12:35PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

but it probably wont reduce alcohol consumption overall, or help deal with underlining mental health issues, so you d have to wonder, what will mup actually do?

prop up the pub trade

cadaliac · 17-06-2020 09:00PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

but it probably wont reduce alcohol consumption overall, or help deal with underlining mental health issues, so you d have to wonder, what will mup actually do?

Oh yea, totally agree with you here, I was only pointing out that it would actually make some situations worse also.

L1011 · 17-06-2020 09:03PM

Has anyone pointed out how bloody awful the poll questions on this thread are, btw?

If the OP ever wants to work in market research - please, find another job. You'll be let go within a week.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-06-2020 09:52PM

brightspark wrote: »

If they really thought a price increase would improve peoples' health they could have simply raised the duty, but that wouldn't have suited their publican friends, relations and financial supporters.

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

How so?

Pub prices will remain the same.
Off licence prices go up.

First of all I predict that the distributors will find some reason to adsorb a lot of the price increase. So the publicans won't seen as much of the extra price as they'd like.

Can't say this too often but since the tax on alcohol itself hasn't gone up there will be no extra funds for the health services.

Any gain in VAT because of MUP will likely be matched by a loss in VAT elsewhere. This will factor into inflation figures which could trigger some costs in the budget or borrowing or something.

Off-licence consumption in Scotland has dropped by 3%
did the pubs sell more ?
did English supermarkets near the border sell more ?
did the amount of home brew increase ?

Minimum price is NOT acting as a deterrent to new drinkers.
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,increasing-alcohol-price-has-no-impact-on-under-18s-drinking-habits-nhs-stu_15000.htm

“Whilst several of the alcoholic drinks popular with young people were already being sold above 50 pence per unit, where they did observe the price of their favoured drink rise after May 2018 – as was the case before the introduction of MUP – the young people reported being able to fund the additional cost,” he said.

runawaybishop · 17-06-2020 10:32PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

prop up the pub trade

I think its important to point out again that this was part of FGs election promises - do what they can to help the pub trade. This has nothing to do with health, its completely about getting more people into pubs. Unless people go and tell their local TD they do not support it though it will be pushed through under the guise of helping people.

edit: nothing wrong with helping the pub trade btw as they definitely need to redefine themselves, but it shouldn't be done at the cost of the public who have a glass of wine after work.

Potential-Monke · 17-06-2020 11:44PM

I like the comments saying "why should I pay more because other people can't control themselves" and similar comments. As a weed smoker, I completely understand, and now ye understand my view of legalizing cannabis! Which, BTW, would probably help the pub trade if those pubs cater to both sides then.

Suckit · 18-06-2020 12:19AM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I like the comments saying "why should I pay more because other people can't control themselves" and similar comments. As a weed smoker, I completely understand, and now ye understand my view of legalizing cannabis! Which, BTW, would probably help the pub trade if those pubs cater to both sides then.

When it is legalised, it will be interesting to see who gets licences, even in a lottery.

Scotland have it sorted though. Bringing in MUP has lowered the alcohol consumption there allegedly.
Meanwhile their drugs intake has spiked in the same year.

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I'm not saying it's related... But I don't see why we follow the example of the country with the highest death rate to drugs in Europe.

Hotblack Desiato · 18-06-2020 11:28AM

runawaybishop wrote: »

I think its important to point out again that this was part of FGs election promises - do what they can to help the pub trade. This has nothing to do with health, its completely about getting more people into pubs. Unless people go and tell their local TD they do not support it though it will be pushed through under the guise of helping people.

edit: nothing wrong with helping the pub trade btw as they definitely need to redefine themselves, but it shouldn't be done at the cost of the public who have a glass of wine after work.

This is a great time for people to put pressure on the publicans and their endless political lobbying.

When they reopen, just stay away. Fcuk 'em.

Leroy42 · 18-06-2020 11:31AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

This is a great time for people to put pressure on the publicans and their endless political lobbying.

When they reopen, just stay away. Fcuk 'em.

It could have, should have, but from the other threads it seems that people are willing to pay almost any price to get back into the pubs.

Given that the vitners would be fools not to be pushing things like MUP as it suits them and they know not one person is going to hold them to account.

Randy Archer · 20-06-2020 11:46AM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe they have addiction and mental health issues!

So ?

All the more reason for them to get off the crap. For once , they should take responsibility

Randy Archer · 20-06-2020 11:47AM

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

elperello wrote: »

Lot's of decent people live in public housing. You never know when life might take a turn and you could end up on welfare.

Bull ! Besides, I simply won’t and can’t qualify for welfare , like most middle class people

Reputable Rog · 16-07-2020 12:45PM

Just when you when starting to have a little sympathy fir publicans,
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/VFI-Ban-the-sale-of-alcohol-to-curb-house-parties-cebe4ff9-4311-42b2-b709-38bd99b6d886-ds

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-publican-warns-keeping-pubs-closed-will-result-in-serious-societal-issues-and-a-spike-in-Covid-cases--54f8b0fb-1f9e-4816-bded-2d263847d388-ds

The Floyd p · 16-07-2020 12:48PM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Just when you when starting to have a little sympathy fir publicans,
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/VFI-Ban-the-sale-of-alcohol-to-curb-house-parties-cebe4ff9-4311-42b2-b709-38bd99b6d886-ds

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-publican-warns-keeping-pubs-closed-will-result-in-serious-societal-issues-and-a-spike-in-Covid-cases--54f8b0fb-1f9e-4816-bded-2d263847d388-ds

It's so blatant that it's almost funny.

weldoninhio · 16-07-2020 12:48PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

First of all I predict that the distributors will find some reason to adsorb a lot of the price increase. So the publicans won't seen as much of the extra price as they'd like.

Can't say this too often but since the tax on alcohol itself hasn't gone up there will be no extra funds for the health services.

Any gain in VAT because of MUP will likely be matched by a loss in VAT elsewhere. This will factor into inflation figures which could trigger some costs in the budget or borrowing or something.

Off-licence consumption in Scotland has dropped by 3%
did the pubs sell more ?
did English supermarkets near the border sell more ?
did the amount of home brew increase ?

Minimum price is NOT acting as a deterrent to new drinkers.
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,increasing-alcohol-price-has-no-impact-on-under-18s-drinking-habits-nhs-stu_15000.htm

Off licence consumption dropped. How much did drug related deaths rise??

brightspark · 16-07-2020 02:57PM

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Just when you when starting to have a little sympathy fir publicans,
https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/VFI-Ban-the-sale-of-alcohol-to-curb-house-parties-cebe4ff9-4311-42b2-b709-38bd99b6d886-ds

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-publican-warns-keeping-pubs-closed-will-result-in-serious-societal-issues-and-a-spike-in-Covid-cases--54f8b0fb-1f9e-4816-bded-2d263847d388-ds

We didn't close the off=licences at any stage, so they can't really be to blame for the current increase.

elperello · 20-07-2020 11:20AM

Prof. Joe Barry on with Sarah McInerney earlier with a new plan of attack to get MUP introduced.

Apparently it will help to reduce house parties during the Covid era.

He said it's wrong that people can buy beer for one euro a can and we should be paying £2 (yes two pounds is what he said) a pint.

Yellow_Fern · 20-07-2020 06:52PM

elperello wrote: »

Prof. Joe Barry on with Sarah McInerney earlier with a new plan of attack to get MUP introduced.

Apparently it will help to reduce house parties during the Covid era.

He said it's wrong that people can buy beer for one euro a can and we should be paying £2 (yes two pounds is what he said) a pint.

Mad. A bottle on Connemara Irish whiskey costs about 44 Eur. In Germany you can buy it for 25 Eur. While a cheap can of beer can cost 50 cent. Even cheap take aways serve cheap beer. While there are many bars serving alcohol all night and all day, yet people manage fine. No chaos

patrickbrophy18 · 20-07-2020 07:15PM

The glaringly obvious vested interests are at it again. They're loosing money and want the consumer to be punished for it. As for Joe Barry, his opinion (which is what that boils down to) should be taken with a pinch of salt.

So, to deter the few from house parties, we must punish the responsible?

I really think that some of the people dreaming up these restrictions on alcohol were social outcasts or relatives of chronic alcohol abusers and that they are taking their revenge boners out on the rest of society.

Spanish Eyes · 20-07-2020 07:27PM

Well MUP won't bother me, I drink Courvoisier Cognac occasionally and nice wine as much as I can lol!

Never liked beer except occasionally when abroad and it looked great with the drops on the outside of the glass when weather was roasting. I'd have the odd pint of Guinness in the Winter, gorgeous.

Everyone is different. I have no issue with anyone buying whatever they want at a price they can afford. This MUP thing is for the publicans, and is a kind of a back door to banning alcohol outside of pubs if they could get away with it!

Cheers everyone.

weldoninhio · 21-07-2020 07:31AM

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

The glaringly obvious vested interests are at it again. They're loosing money and want the consumer to be punished for it. As for Joe Barry, his opinion (which is what that boils down to) should be taken with a pinch of salt.

So, to deter the few from house parties, we must punish the responsible?

I really think that some of the people dreaming up these restrictions on alcohol were social outcasts or relatives of chronic alcohol abusers and that they are taking their revenge boners out on the rest of society.

Senator Black who was pushing this is an alkie. Obviously if she can’t control herself nobody can so we need these rules.

22-07-2020 04:48PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Senator Black who was pushing this is an alkie. Obviously if she can’t control herself nobody can so we need these rules.

Another, "I'm alright Jack".

Won't affect her so of course she's for it.

22-07-2020 04:49PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well MUP won't bother me, I drink Courvoisier Cognac occasionally and nice wine as much as I can lol!

As has been stated repeatedly on this thread, it will affect you because you can expect your Courvoisier to go up in price.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-07-2020 05:23PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

This MUP thing is for the publicans, and is a kind of a back door to banning alcohol outside of pubs if they could get away with it!

Cheers everyone.

Turkeys voting for Christmas

If MUP comes in expect the distributors to increase prices because shareholders like profits.

Only supermarkets with own brands sourced directly will get to keep the price increase.

MUP won't raise any extra excise duty to go to the Health Services.

punisher5112 · 10-08-2020 03:10PM

I see they got it through and shops must have alcohol seperate to the rest of the stores items for sale....

10-08-2020 03:11PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

I see they got it through and shops must have alcohol seperate to the rest of the stores items for sale....

Which is completely unworkable for many many shops.

punisher5112 · 10-08-2020 09:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Which is completely unworkable for many many shops.

I agree....

I'm more worried at how they manage to get these bills in and it's not even news... Seems we are only told what they want us to know and it seems crap in the US is more important....

Leroy42 · 10-08-2020 09:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is completely unworkable for many many shops.

You cannot make laws, or not make them, on the basis that it might be difficult for some people.

If it is the right thing to do (which of course is very questionable) then whether some shops will struggle is not really an issue.

Just like cigarette sales, smoking areas in pubs and drink driving laws, people will find a way to adapt to the new laws.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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