Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Nowhere to be seen on front page of website.

The pinned headline and main story on RTE.ie is : https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0809/1158126-covid-19-meat-plants-not-re-open/

The rest of the front page updates as new stories are posted. As more information emerges and more stories post on the topic the front page reflects that.

There is definitely some issue specific to meat plants though. There are similar outbreaks in Germany, Denmark, the U.K. and the USA had absolutely massive problems.

I’m wondering if it’s just down to the fact that they’re big recirculating cold rooms. So you’ve a sense of fresh air because it’s very cold, but the whole place is probably full of nicely chilled virus particles being recirculated.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Ireland is no different to any other population. People make their own decisions in absence of leadership and they are often not good decisions.
Gov's credibility is seriously waning.
Why are LOC locked down?
Why are people allow to freely come in and out of county when there is clearly a global pandemic.
Masks are dangerous, now they are mandatory.
Travel is bad unless you are foreign.
EU trying to get last yo-yos out of tourism before the harshest winter in multiple generations.
People aren't stupid.
Throw into the mix the long term health of your child?
Water charges was a good example of pushing bulls!t to the extreme.
Standing in the pissings of rain waiting for a bus and there was an advert on it saying water isn't free.......I know we are gullible but there are limits.]

Actually most of the psychological and sociological studies would say otherwise. Ireland, Australia and NZ all rate as very different when it comes to defence to power.

You need to lead, something that Jacinda Arden has done with huge success in NZ. There’s a huge risk here that lecturing school principal type approaches from Micheál Martin will backfire very badly.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Will you be going into quarantine for 14 days when you get back?

I'm going to lie in a bath of sanitiser for two weeks just to be sure;)

Spot the difference in deference.
There are other more important factors at play here
which we don't do great in but other countries do.
Long term thinking is not a strong point.

https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparison/germany,ireland/

UNCERTAINTY AVOIDANCE

The dimension Uncertainty Avoidance has to do with the way that a society deals with the fact that the future can never be known: should we try to control the future or just let it happen? This ambiguity brings with it anxiety and different cultures have learnt to deal with this anxiety in different ways. The extent to which the members of a culture feel threatened by ambiguous or unknown situations and have created beliefs and institutions that try to avoid these is reflected in the score on Uncertainty Avoidance.

At 35 Ireland has a low score on Uncertainty Avoidance. Ideas are important, being imaginative is appreciated. Irish businesses embrace creativity and are always looking for new ways to approach problems. Making a point with practical facts is more appreciated than the use of too much technical language.

LONG TERM ORIENTATION

This dimension describes how every society has to maintain some links with its own past while dealing with the challenges of the present and future, and societies prioritise these two existential goals differently. Normative societies. which score low on this dimension, for example, prefer to maintain time-honoured traditions and norms while viewing societal change with suspicion. Those with a culture which scores high, on the other hand, take a more pragmatic approach: they encourage thrift and efforts in modern education as a way to prepare for the future.

With a low score of 24, Ireland has a culture classified as normative. People in such societies have a strong concern with establishing the absolute Truth; they are normative in their thinking. They exhibit great respect for traditions, a relatively small propensity to save for the future, and a focus on achieving quick results.

INDULGENCE

One challenge that confronts humanity, now and in the past, is the degree to which small children are socialized. Without socialization we do not become “human”. This dimension is defined as the extent to which people try to control their desires and impulses, based on the way they were raised. Relatively weak control is called “Indulgence” and relatively strong control is called “Restraint”. Cultures can, therefore, be described as Indulgent or Restrained.

With a high score of 65, it is clear that Irish culture is one of Indulgence. People in societies classified by a high score in Indulgence generally exhibit a willingness to realise their impulses and desires with regard to enjoying life and having fun. They possess a positive attitude and have a tendency towards optimism. In addition, they place a higher degree of importance on leisure time, act as they please and spend money as they wish.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Spot the difference in deference.
There are other more important factors at play here
which we don't do great in but other countries do.
Long term thinking is not a strong point.

https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparison/germany,ireland/

Germany also has a much, much older age profile than Ireland and a longer time in relative prosperity as well as the experience of rebuilding after WWII.

Chalk and cheese in terms of many attitudinal issues.

You’ll also find the anglophone countries, particularly the 4 smaller ones : Canada, Australia, NZ and Ireland have a whole load of similarities on some of those scales.

mandrake04 wrote: »

It will happen in time, once there's enough damage done.

In March everyone was crying for the lockdown ASAP and the that's what happened and it flattened the curve ...eventually.

No wants to lock the entire population up, that's silly you just lock up the carriers.

To be honest, I don’t see that happening in Ireland. It’s a practical issue and travel is pretty much essential to what it is to be Irish. We travel a hell of a lot and it’s not really something we see as some kind of luxury indulgence. It’s a fact of life in a small, interconnected, very wet island.

Ultimately we need to find a technical solution to this ASAP or we are looking at major socioeconomic problems in a couple of years time.

I mean if you look at how essential travel is in terms of even just money flowing around Europe, or the USA from industrial / services focused regions to regions that life off that same money in terms of providing tourism services it’s huge.

Ireland, relatively speaking, has a fairly modest tourism sector compared to say Spain, France, Italy, Florida, Hawaii, even California.

Iceland and NZ for example are hugely dependent on tourism, so in both those cases they can’t go on indefinitely sealed off.

Without a solution to the virus itself, other than lockdowns, which aren’t a solution at all they’re just a way to preventing damage by limiting contacts, I think we are in for one hell of a global depression.