Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

Charles Babbage · 08-08-2020 10:36PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Incredible, but it seems the HSA dont have responsibility because the risk is from a disease!
There's a need for urgent ammendment to regulations for this.

What's the hurry, we've only had this for 6 months?

eggy81 wrote: »

lol. What a leap.

Same logic, though.

growleaves · 08-08-2020 10:36PM

I've never poured scorn on masks or told anyone not to wear a mask - all I've done is remind people that its a scientific hypothesis which is not proven. Unlike hand washing, gravity etc. These are simply inarguable facts. But people don't want to make a distinction between things which are definitely true and things which might be true, if the latter are things which they have psychologically 'bought into'.

A statement such as "The theory of masks is extremely compelling, look at x,y,z pieces of evidence" is much more accurate but also much less satisfying than opining that there is zero doubt. It also means you're not in a position to 'educate' (propagandise) people towards your belief.

Why do you think science has such credibility and status in the first place? The integrity of scientists is based on honest doubt, questioning and re-questioning, repeating controlled experiments etc. The motto of the Royal Society is Nullius in verba - Latin for 'Take no one's word for it'

The attitude of "I accept it therefore the debate is over and I'm through arguing with you" is just social media gibberish.

Renjit · 08-08-2020 10:37PM

MadYaker wrote: »

We should have a scientific investigation to find out if water is wet as well, can't be sure you know. Or is the moon made out of cheese? It might be. Go look at Hong Kong and what they've done.

All dead bodies have ~70% water. Could there be a link between the death and water?

Strumms · 08-08-2020 10:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No it's not have a bit of sense, If 5 minutes in a store is that dangerous nobody should be going in without a proper n95 mask, gloves and goggles.

It’s not about danger per say alone, but about minimizing risk. By us all, for us all.

Encouraging habits, good safe personal practice.

eggy81 · 08-08-2020 10:37PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

If it's only 5 mins in the store, then what is your issue with wearing the mask. You say you obey all other rules, why take a different approach to this one?

because it said if you deem it necessary. If a shop is busy. Ill simply wait until its empty or safe to go in. I don't go in and browse the aisles and fecking breathe on everyone. If anything im actually over cautious about getting near anybody. In and out in 30s. Youd do it holding your breath. If tescos or the like I wear the mask.

drunkmonkey · 08-08-2020 10:38PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

If it's only 5 mins in the store, then what is your issue with wearing the mask. You say you obey all other rules, why take a different approach to this one?

I've to buy, wash or dispose of after every use. I still need to clean my hands before and after and now I've to wash my face on top of it.
If I want to do something I want to do it correctly. I think it's OTT for a lot of quick situations to take on and off a mask.

Spanish Eyes · 08-08-2020 10:38PM

eggy81 wrote: »

the news is depressing because of clusters in meat factories

But they can stay open and all other businesses are told to close.

Do meat factories have such influence or what?

Purple Mountain · 08-08-2020 10:40PM

Can someone answer these queries I have please.

I heard of 2 elderly women who went into a hotel looking for tea and scones one afternoon this week and were told unless they were buying meals, they couldn't eat there.
The hotel serves food in the bar only, there is no casual dining area and the lobby doesn't facilitate a place for eating either.
They left because all they wanted was their coffee and a chat.
Is that right as per current guidelines?

Last night, I was at a family meal for a birthday. We were a party of 7 and left over 200e + there.
It was in a restaurant with a licensed bar but noone goes there to just sit and drink, only to have a drink with a meal.
There was only 2 alcohol purchases with our meal.
We were politely asked to leave after 2 hours, they said they had another booking but we didn't believe that because it was extremely quiet and there were plenty of other large tables dressed and available too.
We were gathering up our stuff to leave at that point anyway but we just felt that they were asking us to leave after the 105 minutes.
Are restaurants part of the 105 rule also?

Renjit · 08-08-2020 10:42PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

So you follow all the guidelines that are there to keep you safe but ignore the one which is there to protect others..........

I feel threatened, back off :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU4_ufWgP9Y

drunkmonkey · 08-08-2020 10:42PM

davemckenna25 wrote: »

If it's only 5 mins in the store, then what is your issue with wearing the mask. You say you obey all other rules, why take a different approach to this one?

Also why can I go to the restraunt and not wear one, what's the difference. It makes no sense. This blanket suggestion by government is not based on any proper science applying different rules to different situations. Surely you can see how illogical the whole thing is.

Renjit · 08-08-2020 10:45PM

autumnbelle wrote: »

Genuinely is it not a threat to public them factories still open? Would packaging and meat not be contaminated and spread it

May be contaminated with allergens like peanuts

Beasty · 08-08-2020 10:47PM

Lash_Alert wrote: »

I'm done discussing this with you. Theres a few rules, you aren't following them, simple as. You have no place to give out about any Covid related lock downs going forward.

I'll actually take warning for this, but you're clearly thick as ****.

Threadbanned

gabeeg · 08-08-2020 10:49PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Can someone answer these queries I have please.

I heard of 2 elderly women who went into a hotel looking for tea and scones one afternoon this week and were told unless they were buying meals, they couldn't eat there.
The hotel serves food in the bar only, there is no casual dining area and the lobby doesn't facilitate a place for eating either.
They left because all they wanted was their coffee and a chat.
Is that right as per current guidelines?

Last night, I was at a family meal for a birthday. We were a party of 7 and left over 200e + there.
It was in a restaurant with a licensed bar but noone goes there to just sit and drink, only to have a drink with a meal.
There was only 2 alcohol purchases with our meal.
We were politely asked to leave after 2 hours, they said they had another booking but we didn't believe that because it was extremely quiet and there were plenty of other large tables dressed and available too.
We were gathering up our stuff to leave at that point anyway but we just felt that they were asking us to leave after the 105 minutes.
Are restaurants part of the 105 rule also?

Yeah, restaurants are subject to the 105 minute rule too.

Polar101 · 08-08-2020 10:49PM

coastwatch wrote: »

Just watching the 9pm news. Apparently the meat processing plants that are the sources of the current outbreaks are still open and operating.
I would expect the HSA ( Health and Safety Authority) has the legal power to force temporary closures to protect health of all employees in those plants. That would give time for deep cleaning and repeat testing of all employees.

Sounds bizarre. Surely it's a very stupid idea to keep the plants open after a lot of the workforce has been found to be virus positive? It's not like they can keep operating without workers. Also there are local restrictions in place now, why shouldn't the workplaces that pretty much caused the restrictions close too?

Polar101 · 08-08-2020 10:51PM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Can someone answer these queries I have please.

I heard of 2 elderly women who went into a hotel looking for tea and scones one afternoon this week and were told unless they were buying meals, they couldn't eat there.
The hotel serves food in the bar only, there is no casual dining area and the lobby doesn't facilitate a place for eating either.
They left because all they wanted was their coffee and a chat.
Is that right as per current guidelines?

Probably is, since it's a bar operating as a restaurant. They should go to a restaurant or a cafe for the tea and scones, I suppose.

Purple Mountain · 08-08-2020 10:52PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Yeah, restaurants are subject to the 105 minute rule too.

OK thanks, lol we didn't realise!

GazzaL · 08-08-2020 10:54PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've to buy, wash or dispose of after every use. I still need to clean my hands before and after and now I've to wash my face on top of it.
If I want to do something I want to do it correctly. I think it's OTT for a lot of quick situations to take on and off a mask.

Imagine a builder with dirty hands, touching an unsanitised diesel pump, then grabbing a dirty mask that has been lying around in their dirty van and putting that on, also inadvertently touching the front of the mask and their face, before taking less than 60 seconds inside the shop to pay for their diesel.

coastwatch · 08-08-2020 10:56PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Sounds bizarre. Surely it's a very stupid idea to keep the plants open after a lot of the workforce has been found to be virus positive? It's not like they can keep operating without workers. Also there are local restrictions in place now, why shouldn't the workplaces that pretty much caused the restrictions close too?

I think they are going to be shamed into closing for the lockdown, because they cant be forced.

Renjit · 08-08-2020 10:56PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Imagine a builder with dirty hands, touching an unsanitised diesel pump, then grabbing a dirty mask that has been lying around in their dirty van and putting that on, also inadvertently the front of the mask and their face, before taking less than 60 seconds inside the shop to pay for their diesel.

You get plastic gloves at gas stations. And mask will reduce the chances of you infecting someone else. But you can keep up with all the rhetoric you want :pac:

twirlagig · 08-08-2020 10:57PM

I don’t know what Monday will be like regarding the face masks. My friend works in retail and she is just so p1ssed off and drained at the lack of compliance from some customers coming through the door.
The shop is trying to have a one way system in place and despite numerous signage, some people just do not get it. They will wander wherever they want and she was actually told to ‘relax for fcuks sake, will ya’ when she politely just intervened that they were going the wrong way.
You’re only required to wear a mask for your time in a shop... it can’t be that hard - the staff have to wear them for approx 8 hours in the day.
And this thing of, ‘sure, I’m only going in for a minute, I won’t need one’ .... all those visiting a shop for these ‘minutes’ add up
I feel for retail staff around the country facing Monday morning coming.

Lash_Alert · 08-08-2020 10:59PM

eggy81 wrote: »

the news is depressing because of clusters in meat factories

I totally agree, but its for the best

GazzaL · 08-08-2020 10:59PM

Renjit wrote: »

You get plastic gloves at gas stations. And mask will reduce the chances of you infecting someone else. But you can keep up with all the rhetoric you want :pac:

"Gas" stations? You must be living in a different country. Most of them here don't have plastic gloves. Even if they did, it still doesn't change the scenario I've outlined.

Renjit · 08-08-2020 11:00PM

GazzaL wrote: »

"Gas" stations? You must be living in a different country. Most of them here don't have plastic gloves. Even if they did, it still doesn't change the scenario I've outlined.

Feel free to infect others then :cool:

GazzaL · 08-08-2020 11:02PM

twirlagig wrote: »

I don’t know what Monday will be like regarding the face masks. My friend works in retail and she is just so p1ssed off and drained at the lack of compliance from some customers coming through the door.
The shop is trying to have a one way system in place and despite numerous signage, some people just do not get it. They will wander wherever they want and she was actually told to ‘relax for fcuks sake, will ya’ when she politely just intervened that they were going the wrong way.
You’re only required to wear a mask for your time in a shop... it can’t be that hard - the staff have to wear them for approx 8 hours in the day.
And this thing of, ‘sure, I’m only going in for a minute, I won’t need one’ .... all those visiting a shop for these ‘minutes’ add up
I feel for retail staff around the country facing Monday morning coming.

Retail staff aren't required to wear them if they socially distance, or if they're behind a screen. I've seen loads of retail staff not wearing masks. They didn't wear them during the peak of the pandemic and there weren't huge clusters in supermarkets even when people were ****ting themselves panic buying bog roll.

Polar101 · 08-08-2020 11:02PM

coastwatch wrote: »

I think they are going to be shamed into closing for the lockdown, because they cant be forced.

I think you might be right, the Health minister seems to be doing that already.

Speaking to RTÉ's Nine O'Clock News, Mr Donnelly said it was his "personal view" that it would be "inappropriate" for these factories to operate "while other people are being asked to restrict their movements".

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0808/1158018-new-restrictions-in-place-in-kildare-laois-and-offaly/

fritzelly · 08-08-2020 11:03PM

Polar101 wrote: »

I think you might be right, the Health minister seems to be doing that already.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0808/1158018-new-restrictions-in-place-in-kildare-laois-and-offaly/

So why didn't he shut them down before LOkdown affecting hundreds of thousands who had done nothing wrong

I'm sure there is something the HSA can enforce

GazzaL · 08-08-2020 11:06PM

Renjit wrote: »

Feel free to infect others then :cool:

You can't deny the fact that retail settings are very low risk zones as shops were open throughout the peak of the pandemic and they weren't virus hotspots. Nothing has changed in this regard. I'm concerned about people infecting themselves, not just with COVID but other illnesses too, through the incorrect usage of PPE.

drunkmonkey · 08-08-2020 11:09PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Retail staff aren't required to wear them if they socially distance, or if they're behind a screen. I've seen loads of retail staff not wearing masks. They didn't wear them during the peak of the pandemic and there weren't huge clusters in supermarkets even when people were ****ting themselves panic buying bog roll.

HSA say you have to wear one when you step outside the plexiglass. From what I'm reading here do they have the power to do anything about it. I wouldn't mess with them though.

I've to put on mask in the morning by the looks of it I'll be in A&E at 8am, so much for socially distancing in the Atlantic today, think I've broken my toe off a rock:(

coastwatch · 08-08-2020 11:10PM

fritzelly wrote: »

So why didn't he shut them down before LOkdown affecting hundreds of thousands who had done nothing wrong

I'm sure there is something the HSA can enforce

Thats what I would have expected, but it seems the HSA dont have responsibility / authority because the workplace risk is a disease.
From the HSA website,

3. Do I need to notify the Health and Safety Authority if an employee contracts COVID 19?
No. There is no requirement for an Employer to notify the Authority if an employee contracts COVID-19. Diseases are not reportable under the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work (Reporting of Accidents and Dangerous Occurrences) Regulations 2016 (S.I. No. 370 of 2016).

https://www.hsa.ie/eng/topics/covid-19/covid-19_advice_for_employers_and_employees/covid_19_%E2%80%93_advice_for_employers_and_employees.html#3

Strumms · 08-08-2020 11:11PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Imagine a builder with dirty hands, touching an unsanitised diesel pump, then grabbing a dirty mask that has been lying around in their dirty van and putting that on, also inadvertently touching the front of the mask and their face, before taking less than 60 seconds inside the shop to pay for their diesel.

Yes, just imagine. Someone being expected to act with care and responsibilities towards themselves and others...during a deadly pandemic.

Builder finishes work... builder washes and sanitizes hands.

Builder leaves van to use petrol pump ? He puts on a mask and disposable gloves.

I’ve several masks both washable/reusable x 8 as well as disposable, two or three boxes of medical grade gloves (dermagrip) which are FDA approved..

I’m not a medical person but I could still source and acquire. So fûck these excuses for people..

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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