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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #8462
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    not the sumo wrestlers anyway. id say the Japanese are a lot healthier than us though, they have a way better diet, a lot of fish, most Irish people would throw up if you put a fish in front of them, unless it was covered in batter.

    Not sure that’s accurate now.


  • #8463
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Not sure that’s accurate now.



    it is. they live way longer than us as well. i remember reading about a Japanese man who was 82 and still played rugby.


  • #8464
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Some theories around Japan’s low death rate - article from early July.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53188847


  • #8465
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    tom1ie wrote: »
    The only thing that makes peaks is lockdowns.
    Eg you get a first wave then you lockdown a couple of weeks later cases flatline.
    You open back up, eventually you peak again then you lockdown.
    Only thing that made a peak is the lockdown otherwise it’d be an outta control exponential curve.

    3 thing would create a peak.
    Lockdown
    Letting the virus run rampant, causing it to burn out
    & a vaccine.


  • #8466
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s not as dangerous as we first feared. Uncontrolled it’s only likely to kill another 20,000 residents of the country. Sure that’s nothing really. Most of them will be old. A worthwhile sacrifice to be able to go to the pub when you want.

    Now why do you think there was a massive drop in the deaths reported in May and June in the data you posted? Is it A. The data is incomplete. Or B. People have stopped dying?

    Hold the horses there. You put up some good posts. But it's true that it's not dangerous to the majority of the population and we should be able to protect the rest without destroying everyone else's lives. Everyone is blaming the virus, but we really should be blaming incompetent leaders.


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  • #8467
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    MD1990 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1291864195512717313

    this guy could do something crazy.

    Change is a comin'


  • #8468
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    it is. they live way longer than us as well. i remember reading about a Japanese man who was 82 and still played rugby.

    When I worked in Tokyo and this was over 10 years ago, beef etc was more common than fish as the nom veg part of the main meal for most people under 50. They still eat a lot of fish as a nation, but the yanks are the next in line in terms of fish consumption if I remember correctly and things aren't exactly going well there.


  • #8469
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Those figures exclude deaths and previous hospitalizations.
    And you're using current hospital numbers and outdated recovered cases..... totally wrong.
    As of midnight August 5th, we've had:
    26,372 Cases, of which 3,362 were hospitalized.
    That's 12.74% need hospital care, or 1 in 8 confirmed cases.

    And that included the nursing/care homes before they were brought under control. Would you like to do your stats after the nursing/care homes were protected


  • #8470
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    3 thing would create a peak.
    Lockdown
    Letting the virus run rampant, causing it to burn out
    & a vaccine.

    Agreed as I have pointed out in previous posts.


  • #8471
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    polesheep wrote: »
    Hold the horses there. You put up some good posts. But it's true that it's not dangerous to the majority of the population and we should be able to protect the rest without destroying everyone else's lives. Everyone is blaming the virus, but we really should be blaming incompetent leaders.

    Hold on, what about the long term effects that people GLOBALLY are reporting even though the virus is only 9 months old?


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  • #8472
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    When I worked in Tokyo and this was over 10 years ago, beef etc was more common than fish as the nom veg part of the main meal for most people under 50. They still eat a lot of fish as a nation, but the yanks are the next in line in terms of fish consumption if I remember correctly and things aren't exactly going well there.



    what about the rest of the american diet? the worst in the world id say.


  • #8473
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Hold on, what about the long term effects that people GLOBALLY are reporting even though the virus is only 9 months old?

    What is there for me to say?


  • #8474
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    polesheep wrote: »
    And that included the nursing/care homes before they were brought under control. Would you like to do your stats after the nursing/care homes were protected

    All I ever hear on this thread is yeah but if you exclude this, yeah but if you include this!
    Ffs the numbers are the numbers and they aren’t great!


  • #8475
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    polesheep wrote: »
    What is there for me to say?

    People are already talking about effects they have had for 9 months (even though they weren’t hospitalised) and are showing no signs of improving.

    That’s not that hard to understand.
    I’m not just talking about ireland but GLOBALLY.


  • #8476
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    it is. they live way longer than us as well. i remember reading about a Japanese man who was 82 and still played rugby.

    Define longer?
    Ireland life expectancy is 81.96, Japan 84.10.
    So a 2.5% higher life expectancy equates to a 97.76% reduction in mortality rate? that's based on deaths per population. I'm not sure what stats you're basing it on.


  • #8477
    Equium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Equium


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That is not mild, there is everything from asymptomatic right up to death and everything in between. Some people have this and barely know they have it, others are unable to breath unaided. What you are describing is relatively severe. I'm not sure why you are describing it as 'very mild'.

    Jack Nicklaus the golfer had it at 80. He said all he experienced was a sore throat. That is very mild.

    Having it was mild in my book, and my doctor described it as mild to moderate. I'm someone who doesn't go to a doctor unless I feel it's a very big deal though. Perhaps others would feel that their experience was more severe.
    Nevertheless the usual definition of a severe case is one which requires hospitalisation. To me, the symptoms at the time were quite short lubed and not as serious as the symptoms I've felt since infection.

    Either way, it's imperative that we don't downplay this pandemic. As is so often repeated, one can only ever appreciate the impact of a lockdown/our actions after the event. If we do too little we are incompetent. If we do too much the actions are draconian and excessive. To be expected, I suppose, given human nature, but this is why we leave these decisions to those who are experts in public health.


  • #8478
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    We have nursing homes and hospitals heated to a crazy 25 degrees plus in the middle of summer, worst possible places to control a virus.

    Thought the heat kills viruses?

    Lets be honest none of us have a Scooby do.


  • #8479
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Thought the heat kills viruses?

    Lets be honest none of us have a Scooby do.

    Nope. Range of temps suited to humans has no effect on the fecker.


  • #8480
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    what about the rest of the american diet? the worst in the world id say.

    More the amount they eat and the amount of processed foods given the diet is a hodgepodge of everywhere in the world.
    Few yanks that I work with are mainly from Irish and Italian backgrounds, the ones with the Irish background would have a worse diet than those with the Italian backgrounds.


  • #8481
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Nope. Range of temps suited to humans has no effect on the fecker.

    Yes I know that.

    People here months ago saying the heat will kill the virus.

    Then that poster saying the heat makes it thrive.


    Noone knows.


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  • #8482
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    What if thats always been that way?

    Google says we have 2000 active/not recovered cases right now

    If 10 in hospital, thats 0.5% hospitalisation rate from covid

    We had 3,300 in hospital total

    660,000 people/11% of the country have had Covid?
    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Those figures exclude deaths and previous hospitalizations.
    And you're using current hospital numbers and outdated recovered cases..... totally wrong.
    As of midnight August 5th, we've had:
    26,372 Cases, of which 3,362 were hospitalized.
    That's 12.74% need hospital care, or 1 in 8 confirmed cases.
    polesheep wrote: »
    And that included the nursing/care homes before they were brought under control. Would you like to do your stats after the nursing/care homes were protected
    In all new cases, if we assume nursing homes are protected:
    And we exclude anybody over age 65+ the hospitalization rate would be 7.7%.
    Excluding anyone over 74, the hospitalization rate would be 9.8%


  • #8483
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Changing ministers and government midway through a pandemic was shambolic.


  • #8484
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Yes I know that.

    People here months ago saying the heat will kill the virus.

    Then that poster saying the heat makes it thrive.


    Noone knows.

    No.
    There is scientific evidence saying temp has no effect.


  • #8485
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Was there any clarity on the 2 week faux lockdown for LOK
    MM said from midnight yesterday, Donnelly said from midnight Sunday

    Not like FF ever know what they are doing


  • #8486
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Changing ministers and government midway through a pandemic was shambolic.

    To be fair, who knows if this was midway. We could be stuck with this for a couple of years or even the natural life time of this government. Even if the disease is dealt with by sometime in 2021 the local and global economic consequences are going to be rolling in until the 2030s


  • #8487
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,681 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Was there any clarity on the 2 week faux lockdown for LOK
    MM said from midnight yesterday, Donnelly said from midnight Sunday

    Not like FF ever know what they are doing

    People advised to comply with restrictions from midnight tonight, they come legally enforceable on Sunday.

    Same happened with the initial lockdown.


  • #8488
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    tom1ie wrote: »
    LAG!!!!

    What utter nonsense. So now we’re being told that there is a LAG in the reporting of deaths???


  • #8489
    YellowBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭YellowBucket


    tom1ie wrote: »
    LAG!!!!

    That’s the problem - give it two or three weeks and we will know if those cases are translating into hospital and ICU cases. There’s just no way of reading it from this current timeframe.

    If they’re not, then we’ve cause for optimism, but don’t count your chickens just yet.


  • #8490
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    People advised to comply with restrictions from midnight tonight, they come legally enforceable on Sunday.

    Same happened with the initial lockdown.

    MM did say 2 weeks from today (midnight yesterday) and SD said 2 weeks from midnight Sunday


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  • #8491
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    Aisha Slimy Trapezoid wrote: »
    What utter nonsense. So now we’re being told that there is a LAG in the reporting of deaths???

    There is a lag between people contracting the virus (cases) and dying (deaths).

    People who die from this contract the virus on day zero, generally start showing symptoms day 5-14, deteriorate around day 15-24, die about a week or a bit more after that.


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