Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 07-08-2020 04:29PM

Lundstram wrote: »

As a Kildare man, I’ll blow a gasket if the Leinster three go into a lockdown.

There was a stage when Dublin accounted for over a half of infections but no such regional lockdown up there, funny that.

As a nation we are really milking this, nothing else matters it seems.

2 Covid19 deaths in 11 days. 2. Crazy.

11 road deaths in 11 days. Not a word.

Stupid country.

Road deaths always make the news to be fair. You can't catch a life threatening/debilitating virus from a road accident. Restrictions regarding airbags, seatbelts, high level rear lights and many other safety features have been added to cars to make them safer over the years. Roads are designed with road markings and signage to alert people to hazards. It's not a valid comparison.

07-08-2020 04:43PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Road deaths always make the news to be fair. You can't catch a life threatening/debilitating virus from a road accident. Restrictions regarding airbags, seatbelts, high level rear lights and many other safety features have been added to cars to make them safer over the years. Roads are designed with road markings and signage to alert people to hazards. It's not a valid comparison.

There are things you can do to make Covid safer as well.
Take your vitamins
Exercise
If you catch it, take some paracetamol.

Unless you are over 65 and in very poor health, you'll be grand.

bettyoleary · 07-08-2020 04:47PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes and none of them are dying and most are asymptomatic... Many getting a variation of the sniffles. But here some people are losing their minds over it

Yes but medics are concerned that long term effects of the virus could perhaps cause heart prob, lung probs. You arnt able to sign up for military service if you have had the virus, Yuk. Id be wary of any person whod been infected. Prob have disabilities for sure.

Penfailed · 07-08-2020 04:48PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There are things you can do to make Covid safer as well.
Take your vitamins
Exercise
If you catch it, take some paracetamol.

Unless you are over 65 and in very poor health, you'll be grand.

Yeah, except all those people that were in perfectly good health that caught it and aren't grand. They didn't die but are suffering lasting effects. It's a lottery as to how it effects people...but sure...open everything up.

bettyoleary · 07-08-2020 04:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There are things you can do to make Covid safer as well.
Take your vitamins
Exercise
If you catch it, take some paracetamol.

Unless you are over 65 and in very poor health, you'll be grand.

I wouldnt recommend my niece have anything to do with you if you have had the virus and thats for sure. Mingers

Jinglejangle69 · 07-08-2020 04:50PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Road deaths always make the news to be fair. You can't catch a life threatening/debilitating virus from a road accident. Restrictions regarding airbags, seatbelts, high level rear lights and many other safety features have been added to cars to make them safer over the years. Roads are designed with road markings and signage to alert people to hazards. It's not a valid comparison.

Thousands die from smoking yet the government allows the sale of cigarettes.

Where's the public health safety there from government?

Virgil° · 07-08-2020 04:53PM

bluelamp wrote: »

Who gets to decide....

How about we let them decide themselves?

My god, what a strange point we have reached.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous.

De man on de telly does my thinking for me and that the way I like it.

Yeah, wonderful ideas lads. Sure we'll just let everyone decide for themselves which laws and regulations they get to follow. Bloody fantastic idea for running a society. Shur dem medikul profeshunils r jus on a pwr trip. Dey dunno wats best fer me!
Honest to god there's some real jumping the shark shiite that gets posted round here on the regular.

Lundstram wrote: »

As a nation we are really milking this, nothing else matters it seems.

2 Covid19 deaths in 11 days. 2. Crazy.

11 road deaths in 11 days. Not a word.

Stupid country.

A once in a generation pandemic that has already killed (in 6 months) in excess of 10 times the amount of people that died of road accidents in 2019 in Ireland(and we're far from the worst country).
And you're surprised at the media bias towards this novel event? Like legitimately?

Deleted User wrote: »

11 road deaths but also many more were seriously injured as well.
If we done a daily report on crashes, hospitalizations and deaths, most of this forum would never drive again.

The comparison between road accidents and Covid is so far from making sense its hard to know where to start.
It would only be fair if everyone's usual driving patterns suddenly had a non negligable chance to kill or make seriously ill a significant percentage of the population island wide. And that's being generous to your scenario.

bettyoleary · 07-08-2020 04:53PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Road deaths always make the news to be fair. You can't catch a life threatening/debilitating virus from a road accident. Restrictions regarding airbags, seatbelts, high level rear lights and many other safety features have been added to cars to make them safer over the years. Roads are designed with road markings and signage to alert people to hazards. It's not a valid comparison.

Road accidents are common in Ireland bcos people cant drive, the roads are crap whats the comparison with Covid? Prob feeling unwell as well as being unable to drive prop may cause a few:p more accidents than usual!!!

07-08-2020 04:55PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Road deaths always make the news to be fair. You can't catch a life threatening/debilitating virus from a road accident. Restrictions regarding airbags, seatbelts, high level rear lights and many other safety features have been added to cars to make them safer over the years. Roads are designed with road markings and signage to alert people to hazards. It's not a valid comparison.

Yes to all, and also I can't catch road death and infect other people with it.

False comparisons like this are whataboutery, nothing more.

07-08-2020 04:55PM

We have many lockdown supporters on this thread that seem to think we have an endless pot of gold to fund our current strategy that is clearly not working out too well.

Just today, several posters became triggered when I mentioned that meat plants should be closed if they can't provide a safe working environment. I also had several posters become triggered when I suggested that maybe we need to look at options such as cocooning for the elderly that are at higher risk.

It is almost like they don't want to engage in any conversation at all about alternative ways to handle the situation. lockdown is the only option they see. And when they are out of arguments, thats when they resort to the "You all just want pints" nonsense or try to claim that the economy is fully open apart from pubs.

The cynic in me wonders if they actually might be currently benefiting from the situation?

Penfailed · 07-08-2020 04:55PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Thousands die from smoking yet the government allows the sale of cigarettes.

Where's the public health safety there from government?

Y'know all those government lead anti-smoking campaigns? The banning of advertising for cigarettes? Removal of vending machines? Hiding the cigarettes behind screens in shops? Labelling of packaging? Banning smoking indoors in public places?

If the government weren't making money from the tax, they'd be gone already.

Jinglejangle69 · 07-08-2020 04:56PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Y'know all those government lead anti-smoking campaigns? The banning of advertising for cigarettes? Removal of vending machines? Hiding the cigarettes behind screens in shops? Labelling of packaging? Banning smoking indoors in public places?

If the government weren't making money from the tax, they'd be gone already.

Pure hypocrisy isn't it.

ChikiChiki · 07-08-2020 04:57PM

Will there be a mass exodus from Kildare this evening?

lukas8888 · 07-08-2020 04:59PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

I wouldnt recommend my niece have anything to do with you if you have had the virus and thats for sure. Mingers

What the hell is wrong with you,Jacdaniel made some very positive helpful suggestions to help prevent covid.

bluelamp · 07-08-2020 05:02PM

Virgil° wrote: »

Yeah, wonderful ideas lads. Sure we'll just let everyone decide for themselves which laws and regulations they get to follow. Bloody fantastic idea for running a society.

You're taking what I said out of context, but that's the trend the last few months I guess.

Yes older / chronically ill people are entitled to decide wether or not they cocoon themselves if things flare up again, and I dont think they should be forced to.

Who are you, or the government, to tell an 80 year old they aren't allowed to live their life? They've plenty of life experience to make their own decisions. They're old... not toddlers.

average_runner · 07-08-2020 05:02PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We have many lockdown supporters on this thread that seem to think we have an endless pot of gold to fund our current strategy that is clearly not working out too well.

Just today, several posters became triggered when I mentioned that meat plants should be closed if they can't provide a safe working environment. I also had several posters become triggered when I suggested that maybe we need to look at options such as cocooning for the elderly that are at higher risk.

It is almost like they don't want to engage in any conversation at all about alternative ways to handle the situation. lockdown is the only option they see. And when they are out of arguments, thats when they resort to the "You all just want pints" nonsense or try to claim that the economy is fully open apart from pubs.

The cynic in me wonders if they actually might be currently benefiting from the situation?

We wouldn't need lockdown if we follow the guidelines.
It's that simple.

Virgil° · 07-08-2020 05:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We have many lockdown supporters on this thread that seem to think we have an endless pot of gold to fund our current strategy that is clearly not working out too well.

Who says it isn't working? We could have done nothing at all and found ourselves in the same position as Florida? The fact that we aren't and that the ICU was never overrun shows that the lockdown has worked.

Just today, several posters became triggered when I mentioned that meat plants should be closed if they can't provide a safe working environment. I also had several posters become triggered when I suggested that maybe we need to look at options such as cocooning for the elderly that are at higher risk.

You're being a bit disingenuous now lad aren't you? You weren't only suggesting that. You were also suggesting that the rest of the non-vunerable(being generous that they somehow know for sure they don't have a pre-existing counter-indicated condition) just get on with their lives as though the disease wasn't there.
Without any thought or consideration towards how we could feasibly cocoon the elderly/vunerable , short of putting them all in a shipping container and throwing away the key, if the virus is rampant in society. Who cares for these people?

bucketybuck · 07-08-2020 05:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

11 road deaths but also many more were seriously injured as well.
If we done a daily report on crashes, hospitalizations and deaths, most of this forum would never drive again.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Thousands die from smoking yet the government allows the sale of cigarettes.

Where's the public health safety there from government?

One of the problems in discussions like these is how few people truly understand that poverty also kills. A crash in the economy does result in the deaths of thousands and thousands of people that may not have died otherwise.

Its indirect, its insidious, its not as visible as some other causes of death but it is very real. But people roll their eyes at the very thought because right now the headlines are all about Covid.

Tandey · 07-08-2020 05:11PM

average_runner wrote: »

We wouldn't need lockdown if we follow the guidelines.
It's that simple.

You do know they are still allowing Americans into this country right?

average_runner · 07-08-2020 05:13PM

Tandey wrote: »

You do know they are still allowing Americans into this country right?

Do you how many?

Even if it was 1000's and we follow the guidelines on what to do when u have the virus we still be better off.

Majority cases under 45 and they arent turning up for tests

07-08-2020 05:15PM

Virgil° wrote: »

You're being a bit disingenuous now lad aren't you? You weren't only suggesting that. You were also suggesting that the rest of the non-vunerable(being generous that they somehow know for sure they don't have a pre-existing counter-indicated condition) just get on with their lives as though the disease wasn't there.
Without any thought or consideration towards how we could feasibly cocoon the elderly/vunerable , short of putting them all in a shipping container and throwing away the key, if the virus is rampant in society. Who cares for these people?

The whole idea behind cocooning is to allow us all to get back to work so we can pay to run the country.

Our money is needed so that we can keep spending on healthcare and pension etc.

The worst thing for the elderly is if we all stop working and contributing.

The elderly will be the ones that suffer the most if we have to cut spending on healthcare or make big cuts to the state pension.

Virgil° · 07-08-2020 05:15PM

bluelamp wrote: »

You're taking what I said out of context, but that's the trend the last few months I guess.

Yes older / chronically ill people are entitled to decide wether or not they cocoon themselves if things flare up again, and I dont think they should be forced to.

Who are you, or the government, to tell an 80 year old they aren't allowed to live their life? They've plenty of life experience to make their own decisions. They're old... not toddlers.

I took nothing out of context. The point is that by avoiding some simple restrictions set in place by the medical professionals as many here are suggesting, we create an environment where vulnerable will be left to themselves to decide whether to sit in a room with no contact/life at all or play russian roulette with a few extra rounds in the chamber.
That's the context of this discussion.

Virgil° · 07-08-2020 05:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The whole idea behind cocooning is to allow us all to get back to work so we can pay to run the country.

Our money is needed so that we can keep spending on healthcare and pension etc.

The worst thing for the elderly is if we all stop working and contributing.

The elderly will be the ones that suffer the most if we have to cut spending on healthcare or make big cuts to the state pension.

Ahhhhh so now its your overwhelming love of the elderly that would have them sit inside or risk their lives because you'd rather we not have some sensible anti covid precautions in place?
You could've fooled me.

Lundstram · 07-08-2020 05:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The whole idea behind cocooning is to allow us all to get back to work so we can pay to run the country.

Our money is needed so that we can keep spending on healthcare and pension etc.

The worst thing for the elderly is if we all stop working and contributing.

The elderly will be the ones that suffer the most if we have to cut spending on healthcare or make big cuts to the state pension.

This will never ever happen. They weren't touched in 2008 when things went tits up. They are immune.

Lots of people over 60 out and about with no masks on, they're not too concerned.

07-08-2020 05:25PM

Virgil° wrote: »

Ahhhhh so now its your overwhelming love of the elderly that would have them sit inside or risk their lives because you'd rather we not have some sensible anti covid precautions in place?
You could've fooled me.

For the love of god what is sensible about borrowing billions to keep huge parts of the country either locked down or severely restricted?

How is it sustainable? The whole thing will eventually collapse.

We need to get this country going again. And if that means closing a bunch of meat plants and advising the elderly to stay in and watch the soaps, then so be it. It is only advise, they can ignore it if they want.

07-08-2020 05:26PM

Lundstram wrote: »

This will never ever happen. They weren't touched in 2008 when things went tits up. They are immune.

Lots of people over 60 out and about with no masks on, they're not too concerned.

The grey vote is important to the politicians alright.
Probably why they are so reluctant to make the call that we all know would really help to get things moving.

MadYaker · 07-08-2020 05:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The grey vote is important to the politicians alright.
Probably why they are so reluctant to make the call that we all know would really help to get things moving.

What is currently closed that you would like to see open?

UDAWINNER · 07-08-2020 05:34PM

average_runner wrote: »

Do you how many?

Even if it was 1000's and we follow the guidelines on what to do when u have the virus we still be better off.

Majority cases under 45 and they arent turning up for tests

Did you not get the memo, they're entitled to live their lives, fcuk anyone else. They're the same fcukers who will send their children to school even when they have symptoms and will travel abroad and potentially infect their colleagues because they won't restrict their movements.
Welcome to modern Ireland, only look out for number one

Virgil° · 07-08-2020 05:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

For the love of god what is sensible about borrowing billions to keep huge parts of the country either locked down or severely restricted?

Because we know what happens when the virus is allowed to spread freely through a population. And we're willing to let the economy take a temporary hit to prevent that. It's pretty simple.

And if that means closing a bunch of meat plants and advising the elderly to stay in and watch the soaps, then so be it. It is only advise, they can ignore it if they want.

I've no problem with meat plants that aren't complying with social distancing and cleaning regulations being closed.
But again you're offering the elderly sit in and not live, potentially for the remainder of the time they have or roll a loaded dice with their lives. Meanwhile you're not considering who actually cares for these people if the virus is allowed rampage through society. You can't put them in a room and lock the door.

The Belly · 07-08-2020 05:42PM

MadYaker wrote: »

What is currently closed that you would like to see open?

Your totally missing the point

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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