Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ago1960 · 07-08-2020 11:59AM

The Belly wrote: »

Yes i know that but we know a lot more then we did in March. And as i have said the focus should be on the elderly not the whole population

What we have learned from March is that the lunatics are running the asylum.

07-08-2020 11:59AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

So we effectively lock old people away? What age cut-off. Maybe when people retire from work they can be locked up and younger people simply stay away?

While it is not a particularly pleasant thought, It is certainly an option worth looking at.

Lockdown is not working. There is no time-frame or any guarantees around a vaccine. Reopening fully has its risks as well.

Over 90% of our death rate was in that demographic.

If we want to try and maximize our position on all fronts, it is probably the best chance we have. Obviously it is not something that we want to be permanent. And it shouldn't be enforced.

But perhaps strong advise to the over 65's that we need to reopen and they are the ones at serious risk.

Try it until the end of 2020 at least.

HeidiHeidi · 07-08-2020 12:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

While it is not a particularly pleasant thought, It is certainly an option worth looking at.

Lockdown is not working. There is no time-frame or any guarantees around a vaccine. Reopening fully has its risks as well.

Over 90% of our death rate was in that demographic.

If we want to try and maximize our position on all fronts, it is probably the best chance we have. Obviously it is not something that we want to be permanent. And it shouldn't be enforced.

But perhaps strong advise to the over 65's that we need to reopen and they are the ones at serious risk.

Try it until the end of 2020 at least.

Spot the poster who's under 65 :rolleyes:

rob316 · 07-08-2020 12:04PM

The thing I find mad is the people losing their minds because cases have risen as we have opened back up. What did they expect? The virus isn't going away, its highly contagious but thankfully its not spreading undetected now, measures are in place and young people are getting it not elderly which can be fatal.

People saying they aren't sending their kids back to school until the virus is gone? You'll be waiting a long time for that.

Protect the weak and old and let the rest of us get on with it.

07-08-2020 12:09PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Spot the poster who's under 65 :rolleyes:

It is in everyone's best interests.
The best thing the over 65's can do right now is stay in as much as possible until we know more.

The rest of us need to pay to keep the country going. Although the number paying is getting smaller and the bill bigger.

HeidiHeidi · 07-08-2020 12:13PM

rob316 wrote: »

The thing I find mad is the people losing their minds because cases have risen as we have opened back up. What did they expect? The virus isn't going away, its highly contagious but thankfully its not spreading undetected now, measures are in place and young people are getting it not elderly which can be fatal.

People saying they aren't sending their kids back to school until the virus is gone? You'll be waiting a long time for that.

Protect the weak and old and let the rest of us get on with it.

Nobody is losing their minds. (Well, except maybe the pub-mad punters desperate for a feed of pints with no food involved.)

They're trying to come up with a means of preventing the recent spike in cases spilling over into another uncontrolled spread of the virus through communities.

HeidiHeidi · 07-08-2020 12:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It is in everyone's best interests.
The best thing the over 65's can do right now is stay in as much as possible until we know more.

The rest of us need to pay to keep the country going. Although the number paying is getting smaller and the bill bigger.

Like I say, easy knowing you're under 65.

I'm all right Jack, pull up the ladder on all those auld wans, they'll be grand.

07-08-2020 12:18PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Nobody is losing their minds. (Well, except maybe the pub-mad punters desperate for a feed of pints with no food involved.)

They're trying to come up with a means of preventing the recent spike in cases spilling over into another uncontrolled spread of the virus through communities.

You've shown us your true colours now. You think its all just about the pubs and having a few pints.

rob316 · 07-08-2020 12:18PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Nobody is losing their minds. (Well, except maybe the pub-mad punters desperate for a feed of pints with no food involved.)

They're trying to come up with a means of preventing the recent spike in cases spilling over into another uncontrolled spread of the virus through communities.

Its all people are talking about and social media is gone into overdrive again.

The Belly · 07-08-2020 12:26PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Like I say, easy knowing you're under 65.

I'm all right Jack, pull up the ladder on all those auld wans, they'll be grand.

Now thats the pot calling the kettle black:rolleyes:

HeidiHeidi · 07-08-2020 12:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You've shown us your true colours now. You think its all just about the pubs and having a few pints.

I do? How so?

HeidiHeidi · 07-08-2020 12:51PM

The Belly wrote: »

Now thats the pot calling the kettle black:rolleyes:

I'm not sure you entirely understand the meaning of that phrase tbh!

07-08-2020 01:09PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I do? How so?

You and several others come on to this thread and think that it’s all just about reopening the pubs so we can all go and get piss*d.

If you take the time to read the thread, many of us don’t care about actually going to the pub.

It’s the billions we are borrowing, the closing of sectors for months on end, the restrictions on many other sectors, the lack of cancer screening, the lack of important hospital treatments, the education and futures of children. These are just a few items of concern.

That concern grows the longer we lockdown.

Your comment shows you think it’s all just about pubs. And to be fair, the government and the media are also doing their best to make it all about pubs.

Bizarre really.

HeidiHeidi · 07-08-2020 01:22PM

What's bizarre is that you seem to think that they're doing all that for a laugh, or as an experiment, or something, and seem to have forgotten that there's a virus out there that they're trying to navigate around, as is the rest of the entire world.

What makes us special that we could just open everything up with no consequences?

road_high · 07-08-2020 01:29PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Yeah, restrict the spread for a few weeks until we get geared up to deal with it - not spend 5 months flushing billions down the drain and paying 350,000 people, who are at practically zero risk, not to work.

What's the plan here? What's the endgame?

Stay in lock-down until a vaccine comes along? We're going to run a 30bn deficit for this year alone -

Every month we're adding another €3bn to our debt - how long do you think we'll keep that up?

Use your brain and stop listening to the hysteria being pumped out by the media.

What’s obvious now is how pointless so much of the previous lockdown was/is. What did it achieve exactly? Here we are 5 months later and it’s back to square one. Do the same again it’ll be the same in another 3 months.
They’re going to have to look at local measures and restrictions in places that are a problem....not pay 1000s of people not at risk €350 per week to do nothing

07-08-2020 01:37PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

What's bizarre is that you seem to think that they're doing all that for a laugh, or as an experiment, or something, and seem to have forgotten that there's a virus out there that they're trying to navigate around, as is the rest of the entire world.

What makes us special that we could just open everything up with no consequences?

Nobody forgets that there is a virus.
But we are into month 6 of lockdown and it is simply not working.

New tactics are needed badly.

One such tactic might be to target the meat plants. Ensure they have a good working environment or close them down. We’ve had over 1000 cases in those plants now.

Another potential tactic would be targeted advise towards the elderly.

We need solutions that don’t require a couple of billion debt a month.

Leroy42 · 07-08-2020 01:40PM

You think the lockdown achieved nothing? We dramatically reduced out numbers. Have you seen what happened in Italy, France, NY and currently happening in other states in the US.

Have you compared that to the situation in NZ, SK, Thailand?

With our mess of a health service, which gets caught out each year with the seasonal flu!, it would have completely collapsed with a large outbreak. THe lockdown was the way to avoid that. Since the end of June we have been gradually opening up more and more of the economy. But it is a softly/softly approach as they wait to see how the previous changes impact before heading into the next one.

At the start of the outbreak, there was a worldwide shortage of PPE and ventilators. So we faced the very real prospect of not being able to cope even if the HSE could have managed it from their side.

We, and the world, are in a different place now, and that is why we are no longer in lockdown. Having pubs, those that cannot serve food, remain closed is the the entire economy.

WE are losing billions each month but a large part of that is actually out of our hands. We are an open economy, we rely on other countries for a large % of our economy. So even if we open all the pubs, without international tourists then many pubs will still struggle, same with restaurants etc.

With other countries still dealing with the fallout, requirement for our exports are reduced, this hurting our economy. Even if we fully reopened, as long as other countries remain under restrictions it is going to costs us.

Simply opening up won't solve the problems but would certainly open us up to potential problems. If, by opening up, we run into more issues, we run the real risk of being treated like the US is currently bu EU and the rest of the world, ie not being welcome. Based on our export lead economy that is a pretty big risk to take on our reputation

Leroy42 · 07-08-2020 01:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody forgets that there is a virus.
But we are into month 6 of lockdown and it is simply not working.

New tactics are needed badly.

One such tactic might be to target the meat plants. Ensure they have a good working environment or close them down. We’ve had over 1000 cases in those plants now.

Another potential tactic would be targeted advise towards the elderly.

We need solutions that don’t require a couple of billion debt a month.

We are not into month 6. The lockdown ended back in June.

You asked for new tactics, but cannot even acknowledge that we have changed the tactics, it just seems to have passed you by.

facehugger99 · 07-08-2020 01:44PM

The lockdown doesn't seem to be working - maybe we should have more lockdown.

The Unbearables · 07-08-2020 01:51PM

road_high wrote: »

What’s obvious now is how pointless so much of the previous lockdown was/is. What did it achieve exactly? Here we are 5 months later and it’s back to square one. Do the same again it’ll be the same in another 3 months.
They’re going to have to look at local measures and restrictions in places that are a problem....not pay 1000s of people not at risk €350 per week to do nothing

Yeah it did nothing, except the fact it saved 1000's of lives and prevented possibly 1000's more from suffering long lasting lung and heart issues.

But yeah, what a waste of time.

The Belly · 07-08-2020 01:57PM

WE are losing billions each month but a large part of that is actually out of our hands. We are an open economy, we rely on other countries for a large % of our economy. So even if we open all the pubs, without international tourists then many pubs will still struggle, same with restaurants etc.

With other countries still dealing with the fallout, requirement for our exports are reduced, this hurting our economy. Even if we fully reopened, as long as other countries remain under restrictions it is going to costs us.

286,900 people are in receipt of PUP according to latest figures on gov.ie up to the end of July. Of them 60700 are in the hospitality sector. 226200 are not and are spread right across the economy including the public sector. Its not just exports and tourism and the hospitality sector affected.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/591a7-update-on-payments-awarded-for-covid-19-pandemic-unemployment-payment-and-enhanced-illness-benefit/

Penfailed · 07-08-2020 01:58PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Nobody is immune and despite most of the reporting, understandably, being about those that die, there is more research coming out about the longer term effects on those that get the infection but live.

There appears to be this thinking that only people that die are affected but the more we learn the more it appears that there are very serious concerns about the effects on those that service. Reduced lung capacity, effects on different organs and of course we have no knowledge of any other effects.

'Long Covid' is a thing now. People with chronic fatigue syndrome symptoms since getting over Covid as far back as March. There was a 32 year old woman on the radio this morning who is worried that she will never recover. She's not alone. There's up to half a million people in the UK suffering from the after effects of the virus.

road_high · 07-08-2020 01:58PM

The Unbearables wrote: »

Yeah it did nothing, except the fact it saved 1000's of lives and prevented possibly 1000's more from suffering long lasting lung and heart issues.

But yeah, what a waste of time.

If you believe that you’ll believe anything I doubt there’s any point convincing you otherwise. Lockdown is utterly futile as you end up back to square one each time. As we can see now. But yea it’s a great success...

Leroy42 · 07-08-2020 02:00PM

I never said it was, but the economy is not locked down and many of those outside of pubs and tourism is because of massive reductions in exports - including Airlines and airports.

The top three sectors in which employees are returning to work this week are Accommodation and Food Services; Wholesale and Retail Trade, Repair of Motor Vehicles and motorcycles; and Construction.

With the economic outlook looking precarious construction is going to continue to struggle. In addition, many office building that were planned are simply no longer required due to many looking to WFH.

Many of our companies are completely export lead, offer services to other countries. As those countries struggle with their own drops in economic activity it will have an impact on those.

road_high · 07-08-2020 02:01PM

Penfailed wrote: »

'Long Covid' is a thing now. People with chronic fatigue syndrome symptoms since getting over Covid as far back as March. There was a 32 year old woman on the radio this morning who is worried that she will never recover.

I’m sure it is. The media love these kind of scare stories. It’s a personal thing now and you’re free to stay at home forever if you do wish and don’t want to be another “long Covid” survivor

facehugger99 · 07-08-2020 02:01PM

Penfailed wrote: »

'Long Covid' is a thing now. People with chronic fatigue syndrome symptoms since getting over Covid as far back as March. There was a 32 year old woman on the radio this morning who is worried that she will never recover.

That's all the evidence I need.

Self-diagnosed tiredness syndrome.

Penfailed · 07-08-2020 02:03PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

That's all the evidence I need.

Self-diagnosed tiredness syndrome.

I edited my post as you were replying.

MadYaker · 07-08-2020 02:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You've shown us your true colours now. You think its all just about the pubs and having a few pints.

Well when pubs are the only thing closed and you’re on here constantly whinging about lockdown what other logical conclusion is there?

Penfailed · 07-08-2020 02:04PM

road_high wrote: »

I’m sure it is. The media love these kind of scare stories. It’s a personal thing now and you’re free to stay at home forever if you do wish and don’t want to be another “long Covid” survivor

I'm out working every day thanks very much.

The Unbearables · 07-08-2020 02:04PM

Penfailed wrote: »

'Long Covid' is a thing now. People with chronic fatigue syndrome symptoms since getting over Covid as far back as March. There was a 32 year old woman on the radio this morning who is worried that she will never recover.

41yo woman who lives next door to my mother in law hasn't been back to work since she caught covid back in April. She ran the Berlin and Dublin marathons last year and now she moves like a 40 a day smoker.

She say's she feels worse now than she did a few weeks ago and ive been told she's suffering from depression now also.

This fcuking disease.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings