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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,623 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    We're currently 15/8, City 10/11
    Spurs could be the surprise next season, one signing can make a difference, and Jose knows how to win a title, at 66-1 a great EW bet
    Spurs ended season with played 6, won 4, drawn 2, For 10, Against 3

    Last 8 games their PPG was 2.13, Only United and City had slightly higher. He is building them into his trade mark style team

    15/8for Liverpool is kind, a good start and we'll be 1/3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,793 ✭✭✭brevity


    I remember when Ferguson was in charge at Utd, once he had a solid starting spine/core, his changes to the squad were kinda small. Or so it seemed. I mean he spent money but it was only for the right player(s). He also bought a lot from "smaller" clubs.

    Klopp is obviously a fan of Ferguson's approach and I would imagine he will do something similar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,426 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Ferguson also had to keep spending big as he kept firing his best players. I'm sure Klopp's capable of this too like with Sakho but I did read somewhere they put a lot of effort into ensuring they are getting the right character as well as the right player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    https://twitter.com/JamesPearceLFC/status/1291397313580146690

    very good signing & deal if we get Lewis in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    I did suspect that the Lewis deal was further down the line that just interest, especially when Reddy, Pearce etc all came out with the story at the same time.

    Now Pearce has said that a £10m bid has gone in for Lewis.

    https://twitter.com/JamesPearceLFC/status/1291397313580146690

    So just how far along is this? Closer to completion than is being let on?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,793 ✭✭✭brevity


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    Ferguson also had to keep spending big as he kept firing his best players. I'm sure Klopp's capable of this too like with Sakho but I did read somewhere they put a lot of effort into ensuring they are getting the right character as well as the right player.


    I think that's why he lasted so long. I mean the winning obviously helped but he instilled a mentality where by the players managed themselves to a degree. Any players that were troublesome or toxic or threatened to mess with the environment were shipped out. Even if they were fan favorites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    With the kind of business Edwards has done since coming in a sell-on clause could actually be a pretty big pull when it comes to signing players


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    https://twitter.com/GrizzKhan/status/1291333051939729408?s=20

    Villa looking for Derek Original

    Interesting...

    If Edwards got 30m for him it be unreal!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Fieldog wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/GrizzKhan/status/1291333051939729408?s=20

    Villa looking for Derek Original

    Interesting...

    If Edwards got 30m for him it be unreal!

    He is the biggest spoofer on twitter tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    MD1990 wrote: »
    He is the biggest spoofer on twitter tbh.

    I don't know tbh, just saw it when I saw Origi name trending...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    When Man U sign Grealish they will have a few pounds to blow I think Wilson would be more suited there for £20m.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,671 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    £10m is on the low side probably and we still haven't seen a reduction in premiums due to covid.

    £25m should get Origi from us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Lewis is probably going to end up 12m + Larouci and about a 20-25% sell on clause. QPR did well out of Sterling to City. Got 15m million didn't they?

    25m for Origi would be "drive him there myself" territory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭.G.


    gibgodsman wrote: »
    My point ain't just Ake and Torres, Koulibali and Martinez are being Heavily linked, and 300m is apparently there to spend, while Liverpool have said repeatedly we have no money, I think getting Ake, who lets be honest, is better than both Jones and Otamendi, Koulibali and potentially another great striker will bridge quite a large gap. As well as having Laporte injury free for a season

    Also having no fans will impact Liverpool far far far more than City

    And my point is regardless of who they sign, they can only play 11 of them and 3 subs. And given that they were near perfect in getting 100 points a couple of seasons back, is signing any of the lads you think they'll sign going to make them better than 100 points, given how ludicrous that usually is to achieve? Especially since you also reckon the top four will be more competitive and will therefore likely taker points off each other.

    For me there's no use worrying about who the others sign or if we don't sign anybody. If we maintain our level we'll be right there with them. I don't see United or Chelsea as a league threat next season if both City and Liverpool hit 90+ again but they'll do better. As long as Frank and Ole are there they won't hit those levels regardless of who either of them sign too.

    Some Liverpool fans just don't trust our own squad as much as they should given the levels they're at. Even Pep seems to be in awe of us more than some of our own supporters.

    As I said, I'm not arsed who anyone else signs, they only get near us if our own levels drop off, which is possible but not guaranteed like City apparently walking the league seemingly is for some.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,838 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Ake isnt the answer folks, a nice player but at CB and 'only' being 5 11 he will be targetted repeatedly on set plays etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭.G.


    Not to mention Peps record at buying good defenders is hardly stellar, his record at coaching them to be top class is even worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    .G. wrote: »
    Not to mention Peps record at buying good defenders is hardly stellar, his record at coaching them to be top class is even worse.

    Exactly, they've spent 130m on FULLBACKS in the past 3 years and they're still looking for more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Paul Joyce opinion piece/overview on NW clubs, liverpool part extracted
    Over at Anfield, the champions are patient enough to sit and wait until a truer picture of the landscape emerges.

    Liverpool are confident enough in their squad that they do not feel they have to buy and, equally, do not feel they need to sell. It puts them in a unique — and strong — position, the fruits of four years of carefully manipulating the markets with huge success.

    If they do receive bids for their fringe players, they will not be selling on the cheap. Securing £10.9 million for 31-year-old Dejan Lovren from Zenit Saint Petersburg was further evidence of the sporting director Michael Edwards’s knack of maximising value, although it helps if the club doing the shopping are the Russian champions.

    There are plenty of players that Liverpool could offload — Loris Karius, Harry Wilson, Marko Grujic, who all spent last season out on loan. Xherdan Shaqiri, especially, and Divock Origi, who did not have regular starting roles in the title success, also look dispensable.

    But if Brentford value their forwards Ollie Watkins and Saïd Benrahma at about £25 million each, what would the value be of Origi — the slayer of Barcelona, a Champions League final goalscorer and a man with five goals in eight games against Everton? North of that surely? Yet, beyond the fee, there is the added complication for suitors of meeting wage demands at a time of shrinking finances.

    Wilson and Grujic had differing fortunes at Bournemouth and Hertha Berlin, but neither would be sold for knockdown prices. At 23 and 24 respectively, they could go out on loan again and retain their value.

    What happens with players leaving Anfield is likely to influence what happens with those coming in, given that Liverpool’s owner, Fenway Sports Group, is not about to abandon a self-sufficient strategy that has crafted the best team in England, the world and, for a little longer, Europe.

    Liverpool are interested in the left back, Jamal Lewis, at about £10 million — roughly the same as the receipts from Lovren’s sale — but less so at the £20 million price that Norwich City are demanding for the 22-year-old.

    Watford’s Ismaïla Sarr, a Senegal team-mate of Sadio Mané who wrecked Liverpool’s unbeaten Premier League record when scoring twice in a 3-0 win at Vicarage Road in February, is another player they will monitor. Watford, who were relegated to the Sky Bet Championship on the final day of the season, paid Rennes in the region of £30 million for the 22-year-old Sarr last summer, so would be looking for a hefty fee. Sarr’s record of five goals and six assists in the Premier League last season does not necessarily unsettle the attacking triumvirate of Mohamed Salah, Roberto Firmino and Mané.

    If Georginio Wijnaldum, who is in the final year of his contract, was to leave in this window (and there is no suggestion he will) then a move for Thiago Alcântara becomes more likely. Similarly, if the Spain midfielder, 29, is willing to see out the final 12 months of his deal at Bayern Munich, then trying to sign him on a free next summer becomes a no brainer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    MD1990 wrote: »
    They have after we sold our best player a few weeks before.

    We have never spent much without selling first. 2018 was when we spent heavily & it was the year we made huge progress.

    To see FSG provide no transfer funds since is frustating because we have been waiting to be in this position for 30 years. Where every top player wants to join.


    Top players cost money, not just a transfer fee but wages. We already have the third highest wages in the Premier League and if we keep buying the best players our club would be unsustainable. I would rather fight with fellow fans about spending that trying to defend Abu Dhabi or Saudi Arabia or Qatar and their slaves they have working for them.

    Also the confirmation of only 3 subs per game is a positive for us. City can have 22 world class players but only 11 can play and only 3 subs. They don't have 22 world class players though and if one injury wrecked their season last year then another will do as an excuse again as it is not a player problem facing City. When Laporte was back they still lost 2 games and the FA Cup semi-final. Yes they score goals for fun, but much like his Barcelona team in 2011-12 there is a vulnerability to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,614 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    .G. wrote: »
    And my point is regardless of who they sign, they can only play 11 of them and 3 subs. And given that they were near perfect in getting 100 points a couple of seasons back, is signing any of the lads you think they'll sign going to make them better than 100 points, given how ludicrous that usually is to achieve? Especially since you also reckon the top four will be more competitive and will therefore likely taker points off each other.

    For me there's no use worrying about who the others sign or if we don't sign anybody. If we maintain our level we'll be right there with them. I don't see United or Chelsea as a league threat next season if both City and Liverpool hit 90+ again but they'll do better. As long as Frank and Ole are there they won't hit those levels regardless of who either of them sign too.

    Some Liverpool fans just don't trust our own squad as much as they should given the levels they're at. Even Pep seems to be in awe of us more than some of our own supporters.

    As I said, I'm not arsed who anyone else signs, they only get near us if our own levels drop off, which is possible but not guaranteed like City apparently walking the league seemingly is for some.

    This is it really. No point getting too stressed what others are doing. They're the ones playing catch up.

    Just keep things steady, keep looking for promising players that are already good but can take their next big step with us, and the rest takes care of itself.

    Find it hard to see beyond the same top 4 next season, with the same top 2 out in front. Could see Utd being the one to get closer with their spending, but I just don't see Ole mounting a title challenge. Think he's their weakest link when it comes down to it. Same for Chelsea really, Frank is a good attacking manager with excellent attacking players, but is absolutely atrocious defensively. They'll cause a bit of chaos, and pull off big wins, but ultimately will drop too may stupid points as long as he's in charge.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,843 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Lewis is probably going to end up 12m + Larouci and about a 20-25% sell on clause. QPR did well out of Sterling to City. Got 15m million didn't they?

    25m for Origi would be "drive him there myself" territory.

    Larouci more likely to go to Brentford.

    Norwich already bought a LB in January


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,426 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Enzokk wrote: »
    I would rather fight with fellow fans about spending


    You'll have plenty of this with the "I told you so brigade" if things don't go well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,613 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Reddy, Joyce, Bascombe & Pearce have all said at the same time that the £10m bid for Lewis was rejected.

    Must be a brief anyways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    You'll have plenty of this with the "I told you so brigade" if things don't go well

    We still get "fans" doing this routine who only post when we drop points, it's been a quiet couple years for them though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,402 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    If Reddy and especially Pearce are saying it then it’s definitely coming from the club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    If Reddy and especially Pearce are saying it then it’s definitely coming from the club.

    Didn't one of the clubs journalists say yesterday his valuation is 20 million?
    Like no **** it was turned down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Looks like Norwich are looking for his replacement now as they expect to lose him and it's now just down to getting the price that suits both clubs.
    Further indications that Jamal Lewis will end up becoming a Liverpool player this summer. Norwich have begun the process of finding his replacement and are resigned to him leaving. Negotiations between clubs continuing ��

    https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM/status/1291396483183521792?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,397 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    First time I've seen this, "you've actually knocked down Drago...!" :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭dmigsy


    dogbert27 wrote: »
    First time I've seen this, "you've actually knocked down Drago...!" :)


    Christ, that video is painful. The fawning voice over, the background music.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭.G.


    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    This is it really. No point getting too stressed what others are doing. They're the ones playing catch up.

    Just keep things steady, keep looking for promising players that are already good but can take their next big step with us, and the rest takes care of itself.

    Find it hard to see beyond the same top 4 next season, with the same top 2 out in front. Could see Utd being the one to get closer with their spending, but I just don't see Ole mounting a title challenge. Think he's their weakest link when it comes down to it. Same for Chelsea really, Frank is a good attacking manager with excellent attacking players, but is absolutely atrocious defensively. They'll cause a bit of chaos, and pull off big wins, but ultimately will drop too may stupid points as long as he's in charge.

    Yup. I respect there are differing views but I just can't fathom how some fans are unhappy right now. We get accused of entitlement as a fanbase and I can see why. Just look at the replies to anything the club tweets these days, its an absolute embarrassment, that and the FSG out types :rolleyes:. If they can't be happy after the last couple of seasons they never will be.

    The argument is you buy from a position of strength and maybe keep winning, yeah all good if its possible but it guarantees you nothing, just like not buying and going with what we have guarantees nothing either but certainly doesn't guarantee failure like some seem to think it does.


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