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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2020/2021

Thanx 4 The Fish

Just in case guys, I may have suggested that the last one may have been the one and I still may be right but it has been suggested that we get this one up just in case it all goes LFC's way this evening.

YNWA

Old one here.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058050887&page=631

For the day that may be in it, heres a bit of awful singing.

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gimli2112

Enzokk wrote: »

I would rather fight with fellow fans about spending

You'll have plenty of this with the "I told you so brigade" if things don't go well

8-10

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Lewis is probably going to end up 12m + Larouci and about a 20-25% sell on clause. QPR did well out of Sterling to City. Got 15m million didn't they?

25m for Origi would be "drive him there myself" territory.

Larouci more likely to go to Brentford.

Norwich already bought a LB in January

~Rebel~

.G. wrote: »

And my point is regardless of who they sign, they can only play 11 of them and 3 subs. And given that they were near perfect in getting 100 points a couple of seasons back, is signing any of the lads you think they'll sign going to make them better than 100 points, given how ludicrous that usually is to achieve? Especially since you also reckon the top four will be more competitive and will therefore likely taker points off each other.

For me there's no use worrying about who the others sign or if we don't sign anybody. If we maintain our level we'll be right there with them. I don't see United or Chelsea as a league threat next season if both City and Liverpool hit 90+ again but they'll do better. As long as Frank and Ole are there they won't hit those levels regardless of who either of them sign too.

Some Liverpool fans just don't trust our own squad as much as they should given the levels they're at. Even Pep seems to be in awe of us more than some of our own supporters.

As I said, I'm not arsed who anyone else signs, they only get near us if our own levels drop off, which is possible but not guaranteed like City apparently walking the league seemingly is for some.

This is it really. No point getting too stressed what others are doing. They're the ones playing catch up.

Just keep things steady, keep looking for promising players that are already good but can take their next big step with us, and the rest takes care of itself.

Find it hard to see beyond the same top 4 next season, with the same top 2 out in front. Could see Utd being the one to get closer with their spending, but I just don't see Ole mounting a title challenge. Think he's their weakest link when it comes down to it. Same for Chelsea really, Frank is a good attacking manager with excellent attacking players, but is absolutely atrocious defensively. They'll cause a bit of chaos, and pull off big wins, but ultimately will drop too may stupid points as long as he's in charge.

Enzokk

MD1990 wrote: »

They have after we sold our best player a few weeks before.

We have never spent much without selling first. 2018 was when we spent heavily & it was the year we made huge progress.

To see FSG provide no transfer funds since is frustating because we have been waiting to be in this position for 30 years. Where every top player wants to join.

Top players cost money, not just a transfer fee but wages. We already have the third highest wages in the Premier League and if we keep buying the best players our club would be unsustainable. I would rather fight with fellow fans about spending that trying to defend Abu Dhabi or Saudi Arabia or Qatar and their slaves they have working for them.

Also the confirmation of only 3 subs per game is a positive for us. City can have 22 world class players but only 11 can play and only 3 subs. They don't have 22 world class players though and if one injury wrecked their season last year then another will do as an excuse again as it is not a player problem facing City. When Laporte was back they still lost 2 games and the FA Cup semi-final. Yes they score goals for fun, but much like his Barcelona team in 2011-12 there is a vulnerability to them.

Harry Palmr

Paul Joyce opinion piece/overview on NW clubs, liverpool part extracted

Over at Anfield, the champions are patient enough to sit and wait until a truer picture of the landscape emerges.

Liverpool are confident enough in their squad that they do not feel they have to buy and, equally, do not feel they need to sell. It puts them in a unique — and strong — position, the fruits of four years of carefully manipulating the markets with huge success.

If they do receive bids for their fringe players, they will not be selling on the cheap. Securing £10.9 million for 31-year-old Dejan Lovren from Zenit Saint Petersburg was further evidence of the sporting director Michael Edwards’s knack of maximising value, although it helps if the club doing the shopping are the Russian champions.

There are plenty of players that Liverpool could offload — Loris Karius, Harry Wilson, Marko Grujic, who all spent last season out on loan. Xherdan Shaqiri, especially, and Divock Origi, who did not have regular starting roles in the title success, also look dispensable.

But if Brentford value their forwards Ollie Watkins and Saïd Benrahma at about £25 million each, what would the value be of Origi — the slayer of Barcelona, a Champions League final goalscorer and a man with five goals in eight games against Everton? North of that surely? Yet, beyond the fee, there is the added complication for suitors of meeting wage demands at a time of shrinking finances.

Wilson and Grujic had differing fortunes at Bournemouth and Hertha Berlin, but neither would be sold for knockdown prices. At 23 and 24 respectively, they could go out on loan again and retain their value.

What happens with players leaving Anfield is likely to influence what happens with those coming in, given that Liverpool’s owner, Fenway Sports Group, is not about to abandon a self-sufficient strategy that has crafted the best team in England, the world and, for a little longer, Europe.

Liverpool are interested in the left back, Jamal Lewis, at about £10 million — roughly the same as the receipts from Lovren’s sale — but less so at the £20 million price that Norwich City are demanding for the 22-year-old.

Watford’s Ismaïla Sarr, a Senegal team-mate of Sadio Mané who wrecked Liverpool’s unbeaten Premier League record when scoring twice in a 3-0 win at Vicarage Road in February, is another player they will monitor. Watford, who were relegated to the Sky Bet Championship on the final day of the season, paid Rennes in the region of £30 million for the 22-year-old Sarr last summer, so would be looking for a hefty fee. Sarr’s record of five goals and six assists in the Premier League last season does not necessarily unsettle the attacking triumvirate of Mohamed Salah, Roberto Firmino and Mané.

If Georginio Wijnaldum, who is in the final year of his contract, was to leave in this window (and there is no suggestion he will) then a move for Thiago Alcântara becomes more likely. Similarly, if the Spain midfielder, 29, is willing to see out the final 12 months of his deal at Bayern Munich, then trying to sign him on a free next summer becomes a no brainer.

Osmosis Jones

.G. wrote: »

Not to mention Peps record at buying good defenders is hardly stellar, his record at coaching them to be top class is even worse.

Exactly, they've spent 130m on FULLBACKS in the past 3 years and they're still looking for more.

.G.

Not to mention Peps record at buying good defenders is hardly stellar, his record at coaching them to be top class is even worse.

Cyrus

Ake isnt the answer folks, a nice player but at CB and 'only' being 5 11 he will be targetted repeatedly on set plays etc.

.G.

gibgodsman wrote: »

My point ain't just Ake and Torres, Koulibali and Martinez are being Heavily linked, and 300m is apparently there to spend, while Liverpool have said repeatedly we have no money, I think getting Ake, who lets be honest, is better than both Jones and Otamendi, Koulibali and potentially another great striker will bridge quite a large gap. As well as having Laporte injury free for a season

Also having no fans will impact Liverpool far far far more than City

And my point is regardless of who they sign, they can only play 11 of them and 3 subs. And given that they were near perfect in getting 100 points a couple of seasons back, is signing any of the lads you think they'll sign going to make them better than 100 points, given how ludicrous that usually is to achieve? Especially since you also reckon the top four will be more competitive and will therefore likely taker points off each other.

For me there's no use worrying about who the others sign or if we don't sign anybody. If we maintain our level we'll be right there with them. I don't see United or Chelsea as a league threat next season if both City and Liverpool hit 90+ again but they'll do better. As long as Frank and Ole are there they won't hit those levels regardless of who either of them sign too.

Some Liverpool fans just don't trust our own squad as much as they should given the levels they're at. Even Pep seems to be in awe of us more than some of our own supporters.

As I said, I'm not arsed who anyone else signs, they only get near us if our own levels drop off, which is possible but not guaranteed like City apparently walking the league seemingly is for some.

Harry Palmr

Lewis is probably going to end up 12m + Larouci and about a 20-25% sell on clause. QPR did well out of Sterling to City. Got 15m million didn't they?

25m for Origi would be "drive him there myself" territory.

rob316

£10m is on the low side probably and we still haven't seen a reduction in premiums due to covid.

£25m should get Origi from us.

Agent Coulson

When Man U sign Grealish they will have a few pounds to blow I think Wilson would be more suited there for £20m.

[Deleted User]

MD1990 wrote: »

He is the biggest spoofer on twitter tbh.

I don't know tbh, just saw it when I saw Origi name trending...

MD1990

Fieldog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GrizzKhan/status/1291333051939729408?s=20

Villa looking for Derek Original

Interesting...

If Edwards got 30m for him it be unreal!

He is the biggest spoofer on twitter tbh.

[Deleted User]

https://twitter.com/GrizzKhan/status/1291333051939729408?s=20

Villa looking for Derek Original

Interesting...

If Edwards got 30m for him it be unreal!

Osmosis Jones

With the kind of business Edwards has done since coming in a sell-on clause could actually be a pretty big pull when it comes to signing players

brevity

gimli2112 wrote: »

Ferguson also had to keep spending big as he kept firing his best players. I'm sure Klopp's capable of this too like with Sakho but I did read somewhere they put a lot of effort into ensuring they are getting the right character as well as the right player.

I think that's why he lasted so long. I mean the winning obviously helped but he instilled a mentality where by the players managed themselves to a degree. Any players that were troublesome or toxic or threatened to mess with the environment were shipped out. Even if they were fan favorites.

Fitz*

I did suspect that the Lewis deal was further down the line that just interest, especially when Reddy, Pearce etc all came out with the story at the same time.

Now Pearce has said that a £10m bid has gone in for Lewis.

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceLFC/status/1291397313580146690

So just how far along is this? Closer to completion than is being let on?

MD1990

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceLFC/status/1291397313580146690

very good signing & deal if we get Lewis in.

gimli2112

Ferguson also had to keep spending big as he kept firing his best players. I'm sure Klopp's capable of this too like with Sakho but I did read somewhere they put a lot of effort into ensuring they are getting the right character as well as the right player.

brevity

I remember when Ferguson was in charge at Utd, once he had a solid starting spine/core, his changes to the squad were kinda small. Or so it seemed. I mean he spent money but it was only for the right player(s). He also bought a lot from "smaller" clubs.

Klopp is obviously a fan of Ferguson's approach and I would imagine he will do something similar.

BorneTobyWilde

We're currently 15/8, City 10/11
Spurs could be the surprise next season, one signing can make a difference, and Jose knows how to win a title, at 66-1 a great EW bet
Spurs ended season with played 6, won 4, drawn 2, For 10, Against 3

Last 8 games their PPG was 2.13, Only United and City had slightly higher. He is building them into his trade mark style team

15/8for Liverpool is kind, a good start and we'll be 1/3

dogbert27

MD1990 wrote: »

They have after we sold our best player a few weeks before.

We have never spent much without selling first. 2018 was when we spent heavily & it was the year we made huge progress.

To see FSG provide no transfer funds since is frustating because we have been waiting to be in this position for 30 years. Where every top player wants to join.

13 players got new contracts last season so there is a financial outlay there.

Only Adrian and Gini's contracts expires next year. 2 sub keepers and Milner in 2022 and the rest of the squad is 2023/2024. We have our key players tied down for the next 3 to 4 years while bringing youth through too.

Money is being reinvested in the current squad. I see it as Edwards and Klopp look for value for money instead of just paying big on a player.

marklazarcovic

I can't see klopp,hendo,Millie,Andy,vvd letting our standards drop ,they seem to be the vocal aggressors on the pitch,and klopp on the sidelines, mo and saido will want to score 20+ at least , hopefully bobby has a Stormer .. the kids Curtis,neco,Elliot come on a few more leaps and bounds, I expect nothing more from diviock than we have already seen, cube is going I'd say, ox chips in his fair few goals..nabby could be a megastar..

We are a stable team,they all know their roles,they know each other,we are champions of everything right now,flying high..

the monkey is off our back,we have that winning experience and mentality,both home and in Europe. Unbeaten for 3 seasons at home in the league. Record point totals year after year,all sorts of records broken this season.

The rest should fear us,this very squad has the two biggest trophies won in consecutive years,city ain't done that ..

Klopp has made us a machine,long may he reign.

~Rebel~

MD1990 wrote: »

They have after we sold our best player a few weeks before.

We have never spent much without selling first. 2018 was when we spent heavily & it was the year we made huge progress.

To see FSG provide no transfer funds since is frustating because we have been waiting to be in this position for 30 years. Where every top player wants to join.

That's not entirely true though... the Coutinho money gets appropriated to an awful lot of transfers, but in a pretty short period of time we brought in Van Dijk, Alisson, Fabinho, and Keita for a combined ~240 million, with Coutinho being the only major sale at around half that.

Liverpool don't need to go spending huge money on players who are not nailed on starters, which is great, because this is the worst time in the last decade to have to go out and buy. And honestly, regardless of top players wanting to join, we will never be that club that goes out and buys them regularly, like Galacticos. Once every so often, to fill a key position is all it will be, and all it should be. We're in a fantastic position where the the club is really good at buying players just before they evolve into being superstars, rather than coming as superstars - Coutinho, Suarez, Sturridge (before he devolved again), Mane, Salah, Bobby, Gini, Fabinho, Robbo etc etc. And, even better, most of the key guys are tied down to new long term contracts - which we've never managed to do with our good teams in the PL era.

IMO all's pretty good at a very bad time!

MD1990

Agent Coulson wrote: »

FSG have shown they will back the manger in charge at the time if they really want a player even if that player is the wrong player.

Under Kenny the spend a record fee on Big Andy they also bought Adam and Henderson and half a dozen others two worked out. Luis was signed under Roy and arrived under Kenny.

Under Rodgers Edwards only got the players the club wanted if Rodgers got his signings so Rodgers got his signings.

Under Klopp both the club and the manger got the players they wanted even if that meant waiting and breaking world record fees.

Yes deals fell through under Klopp however they didn’t have a huge effect on the ongoing form of the club.

I believe if and when the club need buy a world class starting player FSG will release the money as they have done before.

They have after we sold our best player a few weeks before.

We have never spent much without selling first. 2018 was when we spent heavily & it was the year we made huge progress.

To see FSG provide no transfer funds since is frustating because we have been waiting to be in this position for 30 years. Where every top player wants to join.

Dickerty

MD1990 wrote: »

I dont buy LFC gear.
But had a look at the prices in Lifestyle Sports

New home kit is 90e. Some hoodie is 120e. Crazy prices,
Sone good stuff on the Club site at cheaper prices

I have some kids red jerseys and the black short-sleeve adult GK on the way from China (Shoot), so will tell y'all how they are! Under €60 for the 3 of them.

Agent Coulson

FSG have shown they will back the manger in charge at the time if they really want a player even if that player is the wrong player.

Under Kenny the spend a record fee on Big Andy they also bought Adam and Henderson and half a dozen others two worked out. Luis was signed under Roy and arrived under Kenny.

Under Rodgers Edwards only got the players the club wanted if Rodgers got his signings so Rodgers got his signings.

Under Klopp both the club and the manger got the players they wanted even if that meant waiting and breaking world record fees.

Yes deals fell through under Klopp however they didn’t have a huge effect on the ongoing form of the club.

I believe if and when the club need buy a world class starting player FSG will release the money as they have done before.

~Rebel~

gimli2112 wrote: »

I hadn't seen this before and it may be clever editing but if it's legit, it doesn't surprise me. Never heard Martin so excited, Aguero aside.

It’s not real... just one video with the sound from some other video thrown over it.

Don’t think Tyler even commentates for BeIn.

<Edit> here’s the actual audio source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCLU3CAGUVs

rob316

We have spent alot keeping our best players and will need to continue to spend to that. That can't be forgotten, the wage bill has rose alot over the last few years. Trent is going to need a big contract soon. Are others been paid more than their counterparts at other clubs? We boast the best CB and fullbacks in the world.