FF/FG/Green Next Government

Brendan Bendar · 05-08-2020 03:38PM

efanton wrote: »

Why the distinction between a pub and any other venue?

Are you against restaurants, hotels, cinemas, shopping centre or other venues with high volumes of customers opening?
If not, why not?

You yourself pointed out that people are still meeting up outside of pubs to share a drink. Does that make it safer?

Pubs are licensed premises, my friend, selling a legal, mind altering drug.

Just for starters.

is_that_so · 05-08-2020 04:58PM

:eek: Looks like some of the Greens want to be off already!

A number of Green TDs are considering at what point they will walk away from the coalition government.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40027727.html

KyussB · 05-08-2020 05:13PM

Well it's good that some of them have balls enough to have actual principles. Don't know what they were thinking, agreeing to such a shitty Plan for Government.

What we need to be considering now, is ending the current coalition - and forming a national unity government. We've got the rest of the coronavirus pandemic to deal with, and a big rupture with Brexit at the end of the year - we can't be dealing with FFG's shit on top of that, throughout - and another election is unwise (but that most certainly does not mean the Greens should hold out in the current coalition - absolutely not).

Edgware · 05-08-2020 05:16PM

is_that_so wrote: »

:eek: Looks like some of the Greens want to be off already!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40027727.html

Give the ****ing expert Saoirse a call. She will know what to do

Brendan Bendar · 05-08-2020 05:29PM

is_that_so wrote: »

:eek: Looks like some of the Greens want to be off already!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40027727.html

No kidding....ok

Suppose they had been too used to ‘calling’ for all kinds of bulldust over the years they never thought they would end up playing on the concrete..

Truthvader · 05-08-2020 05:36PM

KyussB wrote: »

Well it's good that some of them have balls enough to have actual principles. Don't know what they were thinking, agreeing to such a shitty Plan for Government.

What we need to be considering now, is ending the current coalition - and forming a national unity government. We've got the rest of the coronavirus pandemic to deal with, and a big rupture with Brexit at the end of the year - we can't be dealing with FFG's shit on top of that, throughout - and another election is unwise (but that most certainly does not mean the Greens should hold out in the current coalition - absolutely not).

Is Fine Gael /Fianna Fail plus the Greens not already a National Unity government?

KyussB · 05-08-2020 05:38PM

A national unity government is typically made up of all the biggest parties - this current government excludes the second biggest party.

Truthvader · 05-08-2020 05:42PM

KyussB wrote: »

A national unity government is typically made up of all the biggest parties - this current government excludes the second biggest party.

Because they have zero to contribute

Brendan Bendar · 05-08-2020 05:51PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Because they have zero to contribute

Apart from ruining the State, of course.

Fann Linn · 05-08-2020 05:54PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Apart from ruining the State, of course.

Which FG/FF are presently doing ably without anyone else's help.

James Brown · 05-08-2020 06:08PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Is Fine Gael /Fianna Fail plus the Greens not already a National Unity government?

Well the FF and Greens aren't even United parties.

ronivek · 05-08-2020 06:22PM

Yes; I'm sure a national unity government would be a great idea with both Brexit and the Covid-19 pandemic ongoing. Considering we have so much experience with national unity governments and all...

dundalkfc10 · 05-08-2020 06:28PM

ronivek wrote: »

Yes; I'm sure a national unity government would be a great idea with both Brexit and the Covid-19 pandemic ongoing. Considering we have so much experience with national unity governments and all...

Well either FF or FG have been in Govt for near a century and they seem to be getting worse at everything. We have the ex leader thinking he's in charge saying what he likes cause MM dosnt know what to say

ronivek · 05-08-2020 06:35PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well either FF or FG have been in Govt for near a century and they seem to be getting worse at everything. We have the ex leader thinking he's in charge saying what he likes cause MM dosnt know what to say

A consequence of this fact is that FF and FG have the majority of experience in actually governing the country; as opposed to the serial oppositionists and sometimes county councillors who make up the majority of the other parties.

I'm not sure that now is really an appropriate time to hand the reigns to Sinn Fein and let them try and engage in actual national governance or international diplomacy.

James Brown · 05-08-2020 07:00PM

Whereas giving jobs for the boys, raises and then taking holliers for a few months is how you get serious ...with Brexit and the Covid-19 pandemic

Fann Linn · 05-08-2020 07:02PM

ronivek wrote: »

A consequence of this fact is that FF and FG have the majority of experience in actually governing the country; as opposed to the serial oppositionists and sometimes county councillors who make up the majority of the other parties.

I'm not sure that now is really an appropriate time to hand the reigns to Sinn Fein and let them try and engage in actual national governance or international diplomacy.

Well why don't they just go on and govern so? Because if they do fcuk up they won't get another chance come next election?

The_Conductor · 05-08-2020 07:17PM

Bowie wrote: »

Whereas giving jobs for the boys, raises and then taking holliers for a few months is how you get serious ...with Brexit and the Covid-19 pandemic

Looks like they're planning on making the public sector pay for it- complete ban on recruitment- including to backfill positions of people retiring, ban on promotions- and for the public sector, specifically the civil service, ban on remote working- regardless of whether people work in open office scenarios or have personal offices (HEO and upwards). Apparently its all been signed, sealed and delivered by Forsa and the AHCPS- and is up for discussion with others.

Not sure what the story is with the ban on remote working- seeing as its been shown to work for junior management grades upwards, and part of the programme for government includes a section on promoting remote working, where possible..........

Truthvader · 05-08-2020 07:17PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Well why don't they just go on and govern so? Because if they do fcuk up they won't get another chance come next election?

Really? The only experience Sinn Fein bring is killing people or not killing people. Neither of these options will address Brexit or Covid or anything else.

Cant even be bothered to show up in the North so the grown ups in London have to manage everything. Very good at complaining though

James Brown · 05-08-2020 07:20PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Really? The only experience Sinn Fein bring is killing people or not killing people. Neither of these options will address Brexit or Covid or anything else.

Cant even be bothered to show up in the North so the grown ups in London have to manage everything. Very good at complaining though

Sinn Fein? Have you told Garda Patrol?

efanton · 05-08-2020 07:25PM

ronivek wrote: »

Yes; I'm sure a national unity government would be a great idea with both Brexit and the Covid-19 pandemic ongoing. Considering we have so much experience with national unity governments and all...

I am so glad that you agree.

A unity government is exactly what we need at the moment. It seems FF and FG are each trying to do solo runs, and neither actually remember the terms of their own program for government.
We have a Green party that signed an agreement, yet are now being forced by Dail whips to vote for something totally different.

PUP was a temporary payment for those STILL EMPLOYED but unable to work due to COVID. Suddenly, although still officially in employment, workers claiming the PUP might have to prove they are seeking work.
If they were unemployed they wouldn't be claiming PUP they would be claiming job seekers allowance.
They are either employed or unemployed.
You couldn't make it up its such a farce.

We had FG promising that no one would be made homeless due to not being able to fully pay their rents before the coalition was formed. Now that a coalition has been formed FG/FG can dispense with the niceties and now do an about turn on that promise.

We have restrictions on public transport, yet anyone can waltz in to the country through any airport, simply give an address where they might or might not be staying for two weeks and continued on as if nothing happened.
You would think at the very least the government would have informed airlines and travel agencies that they could not issue a return ticket to Ireland less than 14 days. If it was less than 14 days how were these people ever going to self isolate? Yet this is happening.
I would be curious to find out exactly how many of these addresses given are actually checked on, and whether these people actually stay there for 14 days or ever self isolated at all.

Now they expect to reopen all the schools having only come up with a plan a month before students return. School are expected to hire additional staff, and reorganise study areas so that social distancing can be adhered to. Some school didnt even have enough space for their students before covid, so I dread to think what cockeyed plan they have for these schools. Maybe a certain someone will get yet another government contract to provide portacabins or quick build accommodation at the last minute. Why wasnt the planning for this done months ago, its hardly a surprise that schools and Universities reopen in September.

At the beginning of May we had a total of 1000 available beds in our hospital. Now we have only 500 yet despite promises to increase permanent capacity and staffing in our hospitals nothing has happened. Is this government going to wait for a 2nd wave to happen before they actually do anything?

A unity government is exactly what we need. At least we would not have the constant screw ups we have had since this collation was being formed.
THe alternative is to wait for the Green party to self implode or withdraw from government citing that they are being forced to vote for measures they did not agree too.
At least with a Unity government nothing is agreed until all parties agree. No unexpected U-turns, no sudden changes to policies or the program for government, no ministers doing solo runs, or a deputy Taoiseach actually thinking he is still the Taoiseach. What the country needs now more than ever is stability and this coalition is about as stable as a seesaw.

Which would you prefer a unity government, or a general election?
Because the way things are going that is exactly the choice this country will face before the year is out.

dundalkfc10 · 05-08-2020 07:37PM

The_Conductor wrote: »

Looks like they're planning on making the public sector pay for it- complete ban on recruitment- including to backfill positions of people retiring, ban on promotions- and for the public sector, specifically the civil service, ban on remote working- regardless of whether people work in open office scenarios or have personal offices (HEO and upwards). Apparently its all been signed, sealed and delivered by Forsa and the AHCPS- and is up for discussion with others.

Not sure what the story is with the ban on remote working- seeing as its been shown to work for junior management grades upwards, and part of the programme for government includes a section on promoting remote working, where possible..........

Their is currently an open EO competition in the Civil Service, an open one and one for people in service already. applications close tomorrow. Some ban on recruitment and promotions

James Brown · 05-08-2020 08:23PM

efanton wrote: »

I am so glad that you agree.

A unity government is exactly what we need at the moment. It seems FF and FG are each trying to do solo runs, and neither actually remember the terms of their own program for government.
We have a Green party that signed an agreement, yet are now being forced by Dail whips to vote for something totally different.

PUP was a temporary payment for those STILL EMPLOYED but unable to work due to COVID. Suddenly, although still officially in employment, workers claiming the PUP might have to prove they are seeking work.
If they were unemployed they wouldn't be claiming PUP they would be claiming job seekers allowance.
They are either employed or unemployed.
You couldn't make it up its such a farce.

We had FG promising that no one would be made homeless due to not being able to fully pay their rents before the coalition was formed. Now that a coalition has been formed FG/FG can dispense with the niceties and now do an about turn on that promise.

We have restrictions on public transport, yet anyone can waltz in to the country through any airport, simply give an address where they might or might not be staying for two weeks and continued on as if nothing happened.
You would think at the very least the government would have informed airlines and travel agencies that they could not issue a return ticket to Ireland less than 14 days. If it was less than 14 days how were these people ever going to self isolate? Yet this is happening.
I would be curious to find out exactly how many of these addresses given are actually checked on, and whether these people actually stay there for 14 days or ever self isolated at all.

Now they expect to reopen all the schools having only come up with a plan a month before students return. School are expected to hire additional staff, and reorganise study areas so that social distancing can be adhered to. Some school didnt even have enough space for their students before covid, so I dread to think what cockeyed plan they have for these schools. Maybe a certain someone will get yet another government contract to provide portacabins or quick build accommodation at the last minute. Why wasnt the planning for this done months ago, its hardly a surprise that schools and Universities reopen in September.

At the beginning of May we had a total of 1000 available beds in our hospital. Now we have only 500 yet despite promises to increase permanent capacity and staffing in our hospitals nothing has happened. Is this government going to wait for a 2nd wave to happen before they actually do anything?

A unity government is exactly what we need. At least we would not have the constant screw ups we have had since this collation was being formed.
THe alternative is to wait for the Green party to self implode or withdraw from government citing that they are being forced to vote for measures they did not agree too.
At least with a Unity government nothing is agreed until all parties agree. No unexpected U-turns, no sudden changes to policies or the program for government, no ministers doing solo runs, or a deputy Taoiseach actually thinking he is still the Taoiseach. What the country needs now more than ever is stability and this coalition is about as stable as a seesaw.

Which would you prefer a unity government, or a general election?
Because the way things are going that is exactly the choice this country will face before the year is out.

'We're all in this together' my hole.
The PUP was to keep the lights on while people found out where they stood and if/when their job was opening. Of course FG use these people to point at to save their own blushes. Another FG kick in the teeth for people down on their luck. Not a normal party.

Brendan Bendar · 05-08-2020 09:14PM

Bowie wrote: »

'We're all in this together' my hole.
The PUP was to keep the lights on while people found out where they stood and if/when their job was opening. Of course FG use these people to point at to save their own blushes. Another FG kick in the teeth for people down on their luck. Not a normal party.

What are “normal parties”

Ones with guys who exult in having “broken the State” (their own state) in senior frontline positions?

Edgware · 05-08-2020 09:18PM

ronivek wrote: »

A consequence of this fact is that FF and FG have the majority of experience in actually governing the country; as opposed to the serial oppositionists and sometimes county councillors who make up the majority of the other parties.

I'm not sure that now is really an appropriate time to hand the reigns to Sinn Fein and let them try and engage in actual national governance or international diplomacy.

"reigns" I thought the Shinners were against royalty.
Or maybe its "reins"

FrancieBrady · 05-08-2020 09:34PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What are “normal parties”

Ones with guys who exult in having “broken the State” (their own state) in senior frontline positions?

One of the Ministers who was involved in actually breaking the state in 2008 is now Taoiseach, thanks to Leo and friends.

James Brown · 05-08-2020 09:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

One of the Ministers who was involved in actually breaking the state in 2008 is now Taoiseach, thanks to Leo and friends.

All's forgotten if there's an aide de camp and a pay rise in it

Shefwedfan · 05-08-2020 11:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

One of the Ministers who was involved in actually breaking the state in 2008 is now Taoiseach, thanks to Leo and friends.

I think you should read up on the crash....

BonnieSituation · 05-08-2020 11:19PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think you should read up on the crash....

It's been 12 years... refresh our memories...

dundalkfc10 · 05-08-2020 11:22PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

:-)

Thats one way of explaining it alright

maccored · 05-08-2020 11:26PM

the only joy i get out of this government is the fact that I knew they were going to **** everything up - which they are on the way to doing - and that it can only do the left good.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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