Masks

v638sg7k1a92bx · 05-08-2020 04:42PM

harr wrote: »

Really think this thread has run its course .. some people point blank refusing to even entertain the idea masks can be beneficial in anyway .

That goes both ways. Masks can be beneficial if used correctly and in the right circumstances but not as they are currently being proposed and this superior attitude from those who want to show their compliance by attacking those who stop to question the reality around them by calling them conspiracy theorists as opposed to blindly following the "expert advice" from experts who themselves generally can't agree.
We are treating this virus as though it were a guaranteed death sentence when the reality is that the chances of infection are extremely low and even if you do get infected most people will recover. When you take that into account, the use of masks apart from being ineffective, if it's goal is to reduce the number of cases, is a gross over reaction.

xhomelezz · 05-08-2020 04:44PM

Yes: valved

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

That goes both ways. Masks can be beneficial if used correctly and in the right circumstances but not as they are currently being proposed and this superior attitude from those who want to show their compliance by attacking those who stop to question the reality around them by calling them conspiracy theorists as opposed to blindly following the "expert advice" from experts who themselves generally can't agree.
We are treating this virus as though it were a guaranteed death sentence when the reality is that the chances of infection are extremely low and even if you do get infected most people will recover. When you take that into account, the use of masks apart from being ineffective, if it's goal is to reduce the number of cases, is a gross over reaction.

:pac:

joeguevara · 05-08-2020 04:45PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ok, it may possibly come into contact for a split second with lips/tongue. Over a short time, 10/20/30 minutes a decent paper bag should be able to deal with even the spittiest, lickiest, wet lipped person without disintegrating.

Wear a brown paper bag so. I'll stick to a mask. Either are better than nothing. Are you going to apologise for the weirdo comment.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 05-08-2020 04:46PM

one armed dwarf wrote: »

Many people who have the virus don't even know they have it. If it was as simple as avoiding clearly sick people then maybe masks wouldn't be needed, but it isn't as easy as that.

So are you going to live your life fearing the worst and assuming you have a virus or if you are so keen on taking "expert advice" and assume that a person with no symptoms or other ill effects over a prolonged period as a sign that you're well?
If we were to take the first approach we would never leave the house.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 05-08-2020 04:47PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Just after making popcorn, gonna sit back and watch for a while. This thread gets better and better everyday. Can't wait how we gonna beat virus with paper bags and shovels

You forgot to add face masks to that list

xhomelezz · 05-08-2020 04:49PM

Yes: valved

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

You forgot to add face masks to that list

I didn't, the other genius said paper bags are ok as well

i_surge · 05-08-2020 04:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Makes sense to me. Face covering is the stipulation. I've seen the odd person out with one.

Visors are useless. No filtration.

robinph · 05-08-2020 04:50PM

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

That goes both ways. Masks can be beneficial if used correctly and in the right circumstances but not as they are currently being proposed and this superior attitude from those who want to show their compliance by attacking those who stop to question the reality around them by calling them conspiracy theorists as opposed to blindly following the "expert advice" from experts who themselves generally can't agree.
We are treating this virus as though it were a guaranteed death sentence when the reality is that the chances of infection are extremely low and even if you do get infected most people will recover. When you take that into account, the use of masks apart from being ineffective, if it's goal is to reduce the number of cases, is a gross over reaction.

So how are masks currently being used wrongly or in the wrong circumstance?

You have stated that they are effective at reducing the rate of transmission. Yet you then follow those statements up with saying that they are not effective at reducing the rate of transmission. Which is it?

CalamariFritti · 05-08-2020 04:52PM

harr wrote: »

Really think this thread has run its course .. some people point blank refusing to even entertain the idea masks can be beneficial in anyway .

In terms of debate this thread had run its course a long time ago. This is the hardcore faction here. We want Yaya Ding Dong (masks). The opposite hardcore faction is in the relaxation thread. There is no talking to either of them but I will admit I'm more with the relaxation guys.

The only (somewhat) exchange is happening in the main thread.

05-08-2020 04:53PM

i_surge wrote: »

Visors are useless. No filtration.

Visors are not useless - most spread is through droplets not Aerosols. In fact they are probably better than a poor quality mask

is_that_so · 05-08-2020 04:53PM

No: other

i_surge wrote: »

Visors are useless. No filtration.

The poster is an asthma sufferer and looking for suggestions so why don't you make one instead of this "x is a load of rubbish" post.

i_surge · 05-08-2020 04:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Visors are not useless - most spread is through droplets not Aerosols. In fact they are probably better than a poor quality mask

How does the air get to your lungs so? Marginally better than nothing but virtually useless compared to a mask especially as they will confer a false sense of security.

Mrs OBumble · 05-08-2020 05:03PM

Yes: homemade

i_surge wrote: »

but virtually useless compared to a mask especially as they will confer a false sense of security.

And masks don't????

xhomelezz · 05-08-2020 05:04PM

Yes: valved

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And masks don't????

Nope

i_surge · 05-08-2020 05:05PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The poster is an asthma sufferer and looking for suggestions so why don't you make one instead of this "x is a load of rubbish" post.

I suggest they seek effectiveness (especially if their lungs are already compromised) and talk to their doctor about what will work for them. I'm fairly sure most people with asthma can use a mask without a problem...but I'm not a doctor

joeguevara · 05-08-2020 05:06PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/16/plastic-visors-arent-safe-should-worn-masks-say-swiss/

Most recent advice say that visors aren’t anywhere near as effective as masks. This was coupled with a hotel where every member of staff who wore a visor contracted Covid whereas none who wore a mask did.

i_surge · 05-08-2020 05:06PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And masks don't????

Possibly sure, but they also filter out virus particles and have been proven 10 times over to be a key factor in fighting a global pandemic...so I don't know what point you are trying to make?

i_surge · 05-08-2020 05:07PM

joeguevara wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/16/plastic-visors-arent-safe-should-worn-masks-say-swiss/

Most recent advice say that visors aren’t anywhere near as effective as masks. This was coupled with a hotel where every member of staff who wore a visor contracted Covid whereas none who wore a mask did.

Why do we need studies to show something so obvious?

Whatever happened common sense?

robinph · 05-08-2020 05:07PM

No: I don't care enough

i_surge wrote: »

How does the air get to your lungs so? Marginally better than nothing but virtually useless compared to a mask especially as they will confer a false sense of security.

A visor isn't going to catch as much of the airflow out of your mouth as a mask, but it does divert it away from the direction you are speaking/ sneezing / coughing in so will reduce how much you spray all over the person directly infront of you. Not perfect, but certainly better than nothing.

joeguevara · 05-08-2020 05:09PM

i_surge wrote: »

Why do we need studies to show something so obvious?

Whatever happened common sense?

This thread could be the empirical evidence as part of that thesis.

railer201 · 05-08-2020 05:09PM

Yes: valved

CalamariFritti wrote: »

In terms of debate this thread had run its course a long time ago. This is the hardcore faction here. We want Yaya Ding Dong (masks). The opposite hardcore faction is in the relaxation thread. There is no talking to either of them but I will admit I'm more with the relaxation guys.

The only (somewhat) exchange is happening in the main thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmtIrkR6O7I

05-08-2020 05:09PM

i_surge wrote: »

How does the air get to your lungs so? Marginally better than nothing but virtually useless compared to a mask especially as they will confer a false sense of security.

A single layer, cotton type masks will allow droplets to soak through and come in direct contact. You know those times when someone is talking to you and you feel that tiny droplet land on your face - that's the primary route for infection, except they are often much smaller and wont be felt. A visor prevents it from reaching your face in the first place. Aerosols suspended in the air are tiny proportion of infections, but whether you wear a visor or cheap cotton mask, there is likely little difference in protection afforded.

Again, for transmission to others, your visor will be like the car windscreen when you sneeze, whereas the cheap mask will let a significant proportion of micro droplets through

joeguevara · 05-08-2020 05:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A single layer, cotton type masks will allow droplets to soak through and come in direct contact. You know those times when someone is talking to you and you feel that tiny droplet land on your face - that's the primary route for infection, except they are often much smaller and wont be felt. A visor prevents it from reaching your face in the first place. Aerosols suspended in the air are tiny proportion of infections, but whether you wear a visor or cheap cotton mask, there is likely little difference in protection afforded.

Again, for transmission to others, your visor will be like the car windscreen when you sneeze, whereas the cheap mask will let a significant proportion of micro droplets through

This has all Shown to be false. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/how-effective-are-face-shields_uk_5f1eac05c5b6945e6e3d2a3e?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJre13YvcCPoCTtWK3dX7haa1WdMfWaPFoH1Y44oeXoFRZmQaevqlwOsNkUFHmgAl28PHGDXyBSRrjs2NEWThjcf6_QffyzUPeVnE0268TRc0KojmhDYtiXTQDFvH0vFck7IztcoZj6A_Aq90fbs-XR3xw3dpJGQp5eft0W7bh2m

i_surge · 05-08-2020 05:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A single layer, cotton type masks will allow droplets to soak through and come in direct contact. You know those times when someone is talking to you and you feel that tiny droplet land on your face - that's the primary route for infection, except they are often much smaller and wont be felt. A visor prevents it from reaching your face in the first place. Aerosols suspended in the air are tiny proportion of infections, but whether you wear a visor or cheap cotton mask, there is likely little difference in protection afforded.

Again, for transmission to others, your visor will be like the car windscreen when you sneeze, whereas the cheap mask will let a significant proportion of micro droplets through

What a lame argument.

Use a proper mask so. If you can genuinely feel somebodies spittle passing through your mask, stay at home for your own sake, you are doing everything wrong.

Visor + mask ...Great

Visor on its own, waste of time.

ginoginelli · 05-08-2020 05:13PM

Yes: surgical

stockshares wrote: »

I'm Asthmatic . Can a Visor be worn instead of a Mask on public transport.

I will be on a Bus for 2 hrs and I get a sore throat and blocked sinuses from Masks which doesn't help Asthma

The visor wont protect you. As an asthmatic you should be taking extra precautions more than anything.

I have severe asthma. I wear an n95 mask throughout the day. It's not comfortable but you get used to it and they go a long way to protecting you.

GT89 · 05-08-2020 05:22PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

stockshares wrote: »

I'm Asthmatic . Can a Visor be worn instead of a Mask on public transport.

I will be on a Bus for 2 hrs and I get a sore throat and blocked sinuses from Masks which doesn't help Asthma

Yes as it's a face covering and not a mask that's required and a visor falls into this category

However since your asthmatic you can always say you have a medical exemption and wear neither.

John O.Groats · 05-08-2020 05:35PM

Yes: surgical

GT89 wrote: »

Yes as it's a face covering and not a mask that's required and a visor falls into this category

However since your asthmatic you can always say you have a medical exemption and wear neither.

Any chance you might reply to the question I asked you earlier?

Risteard81 · 05-08-2020 05:37PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Overheal wrote: »

Prove it.

Why don't you prove that they do work? Even so it wouldn't justify the totalitarianism.

John O.Groats · 05-08-2020 05:38PM

Yes: surgical

Risteard81 wrote: »

Why don't you prove that they do work? Even so it wouldn't justify the totalitarianism.

What do you define as totalitarianism?

xhomelezz · 05-08-2020 05:40PM

Yes: valved

Tin foil hat conspiracy gang is back woohoo

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