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Are Sinn Féin anti-Catholic?

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    #182
    breezy1985
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    John Hutton wrote: »
    Contraception existed and was used from at least Roman times.

    The Catholic church had massive political power in Ireland before the reformation.

    Roman contraception was used to stop infection and not used as birth control and it was useless in that regard.

    You are some man for half facts


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    #183
    Effects
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    Bowie wrote: »
    Tell that to the mass grave of babies in Tuam.

    Yeah, they were fake devout Christians responsible for that.


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    #184
    John Hutton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Roman contraception was used to stop infection and not used as birth control and it was useless in that regard.

    You are some man for half facts
    Why be snippy like that?


    You are wrong by the way.


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    #185
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    SF are more anti catholic then the DUP. It’s gas that. At least someone was able to stop Gerry Adams from going to John Humes funeral. I wonder had Mary Lou and MMcNeil the grace to stay away too? Mary Lou should just not be allowed inside any Catholic Church especially at the funeral of a practising catholic. So insulting for Mrs Hume


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    #186
    Truthvader
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Roman contraception was used to stop infection and not used as birth control and it was useless in that regard.

    You are some man for half facts

    "Contraception" is not used to stop infection. The clue is in the name


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    #187
    James Brown
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    SF are more anti catholic then the DUP. It’s gas that. At least someone was able to stop Gerry Adams from going to John Humes funeral. I wonder had Mary Lou and MMcNeil the grace to stay away too? Mary Lou should just not be allowed inside any Catholic Church especially at the funeral of a practising catholic. So insulting for Mrs Hume

    Horse ****e.

    If they do go it'll be disrespectful for some reason. If they don't go, it'll be disrespectful for some reason.
    Be nice to see the leaders of all parties there out of respect. Well the big parties, FF, SF, DUP etc.

    Yeah I'm sure the Humes would hate to have people from differing 'sides' there :rolleyes:


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    #188
    Odhinn
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    Truthvader wrote: »
    Gotta love the whitewashed "armed struggle" label. You mean of course a campaign of indiscriminate murder and terror.




    No, I mean the armed struggle.


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    #189
    RandomViewer
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    See RTE powdered the red out of Tommies nose for the day


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    #190
    JohnnyFlash
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    No, I mean the armed struggle.

    Ya, atrocities like Eniskillen and Warrington were completely valid parts of an ‘armed struggle’.


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    #191
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    See RTE powdered the red out of Tommies nose for the day

    Tommie is on a life-long treatment plan as he was diagnosed with a neuroendocrine cancer many years ago.

    You stay classy, dude.


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    #192
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,026 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Ya, atrocities like Eniskillen and Warrington were completely valid parts of an ‘armed struggle’.




    Crimes and tragic mistakes occur within any armed conflict, which is why violence should always be a last resort. Peaceful protests were beaten off the streets in NI, making the taking up of arms inevitable.


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    #193
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Crimes and tragic mistakes occur within any armed conflict, which is why violence should always be a last resort. Peaceful protests were beaten off the streets in NI, making the taking up of arms inevitable.

    Not true. Not true for John Hume for example.


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    #194
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,026 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Not true.............




    Peaceful protests weren't attacked...?


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    #195
    RandomViewer
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    https://youtu.be/DwBOUkBAO5s


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    #196
    landofthetree
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    Bowie wrote: »
    Horse ****e.

    If they do go it'll be disrespectful for some reason. If they don't go, it'll be disrespectful for some reason.
    Be nice to see the leaders of all parties there out of respect. Well the big parties, FF, SF, DUP etc.

    Yeah I'm sure the Humes would hate to have people from differing 'sides' there :rolleyes:

    It's simple really

    Both the DUP and SF hate the Catholic church equally.


    The DUP hate cultural Catholics which SF obviously don't.


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    #197
    Truthvader
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Peaceful protests weren't attacked...?

    Yep they were. And John Hume was one of them. He did not choose to unleash a campaign of murder. Not inevitable. See Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Colin Parry and the millions of others who suffered injustice without resorting to savagery


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    #198
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    landofthetree wrote: »
    It's simple really

    Both the DUP and SF hate the Catholic church equally.


    The DUP hate cultural Catholics which SF obviously don't.

    SF are looking for equality, DUP want to retain control. Not all Catholics or Protestants hate one another. You're being very simplistic and wrong.


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    #199
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Bowie wrote: »
    SF are looking for equality, DUP want to retain control.

    SF don't want equality.

    They want majority rule which is the very definition of inequality. Eg abortion, kicking the Romish Church out of schools etc


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    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Bowie wrote: »
    Horse ****e.

    If they do go it'll be disrespectful for some reason. If they don't go, it'll be disrespectful for some reason.
    Be nice to see the leaders of all parties there out of respect. Well the big parties, FF, SF, DUP etc.

    Yeah I'm sure the Humes would hate to have people from differing 'sides' there :rolleyes:

    The Humes were daily communicants. This funeral would have been a chiefly religious experience for Mrs Hume at least, not an opportunity for people to make political statements.
    But I wouldn’t expect someone like you to understand something like that because it’s outside of your comprehension, clearly.
    Mary Lou is a particularly aggressive advocate for social “changes” which wouldn’t match the ideals upheld by the Humes. To see her waddling in to the church she clearly despises taking up a place that could be allocated to someone who deserves to be at the funeral just so she can get her face in to the event of the day would be stomach churning.
    But once again, I don’t expect you to understand that.
    First you’d have to grasp that a funeral mass is a RC sacrament, not a rally. Too much for you I think.


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    #201
    Odhinn
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    The Humes were daily communicants. This funeral would have been a chiefly religious experience for Mrs Hume at least, not an opportunity for people to make political statements.
    But I wouldn’t expect someone like you to understand something like that because it’s outside of your comprehension, clearly.
    Mary Lou is a particularly aggressive advocate for social “changes” which wouldn’t match the ideals upheld by the Humes. To see her waddling in to the church she clearly despises taking up a place that could be allocated to someone who deserves to be at the funeral just so she can get her face in to the event of the day would be stomach churning.
    But once again, I don’t expect you to understand that.
    First you’d have to grasp that a funeral mass is a RC sacrament, not a rally. Too much for you I think.




    You seem bitter towards Mary Lou. Why so?


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    #202
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Bowie wrote: »
    SF are looking for equality, DUP want to retain control. Not all Catholics or Protestants hate one another. You're being very simplistic and wrong.

    SF don’t want “equality”. SF want “socialism” which is a different thing altogether.
    What it means,in every single solitary country where it’s ever been tried, that lots of people end up dead , and yes, there’s equality, everyone is equally miserable equally hungry and equally poor, except for the ones in charge, who are now more “equal” then everyone else.


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    #203
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You seem bitter towards Mary Lou. Why so?

    Well, where do I start. It’s hard to find any redeeming features. Such an odious character. And so dishonest too. She had a narrow escape there after the last general election. If she’d been foolish enough to field another few candidates she’d have had to go into power and her promises to the vulnerable gullible voters she reaches out too of riches for all would soon have been exposed as the absolute nonsense that they are.
    The leader of a party that have lost ...how many TDs and councillors now due to the bullying that she flatly denies goes on?


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    #204
    James Brown
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    landofthetree wrote: »
    SF don't want equality.

    They want majority rule which is the very definition of inequality. Eg abortion, kicking the Romish Church out of schools etc

    Religion has no place in any state school IMO. But people of different religious belief should be welcomed.
    That's equality. Why should a Jewish or Protestant kid attend a Catholic school or vice versa?


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    #205
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The Humes were daily communicants. This funeral would have been a chiefly religious experience for Mrs Hume at least, not an opportunity for people to make political statements.
    But I wouldn’t expect someone like you to understand something like that because it’s outside of your comprehension, clearly.
    Mary Lou is a particularly aggressive advocate for social “changes” which wouldn’t match the ideals upheld by the Humes. To see her waddling in to the church she clearly despises taking up a place that could be allocated to someone who deserves to be at the funeral just so she can get her face in to the event of the day would be stomach churning.
    But once again, I don’t expect you to understand that.
    First you’d have to grasp that a funeral mass is a RC sacrament, not a rally. Too much for you I think.

    Comrade, people turning up to his funeral should be a sign of respect and appreciation for who he was. No prodys or shinners allowed kinda ****s on the mans lifes work.


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    #206
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    splinter65 wrote: »
    SF don’t want “equality”. SF want “socialism” which is a different thing altogether.
    What it means,in every single solitary country where it’s ever been tried, that lots of people end up dead , and yes, there’s equality, everyone is equally miserable equally hungry and equally poor, except for the ones in charge, who are now more “equal” then everyone else.

    Access to Health and education are 'socialist' ideals. Cop on.


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    #207
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Bowie wrote: »
    Comrade, people turning up to his funeral should be a sign of respect and appreciation for who he was. No prodys or shinners allowed kinda ****s on the mans lifes work.

    Actually proddys I have no problem with. It’s the shinners with their communist agenda that aren’t welcome. Communism doesn’t allow freedom of religion. But if you have a neck like a jockeys bollox like Mary Lou then you can strive for that and still get into a pew in Derry cathedral.


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    #208
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Bowie wrote: »
    Access to Health and education are 'socialist' ideals. Cop on.

    Are you saying that only communist countries have access to health and education???!!! Sorry am I missing something here? Where does the bloody money come from that pays for the health and education you enjoy now??


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    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Bowie wrote: »
    Religion has no place in any state school IMO. But people of different religious belief should be welcomed.
    That's equality. Why should a Jewish or Protestant kid attend a Catholic school or vice versa?

    Children of all religious beliefs and none are welcome in every school in Ireland. Did you not know that?


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    #210
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Actually proddys I have no problem with. It’s the shinners with their communist agenda that aren’t welcome. Communism doesn’t allow freedom of religion. But if you have a neck like a jockeys bollox like Mary Lou then you can strive for that and still get into a pew in Derry cathedral.

    Very good of you.
    You'll need pick socialism or Communism to be upset about chief.
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Are you saying that only communist countries have access to health and education???!!! Sorry am I missing something here? Where does the bloody money come from that pays for the health and education you enjoy now??

    No.
    The people who pay taxes.
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Children of all religious beliefs and none are welcome in every school in Ireland. Did you not know that?

    Yes. Do the Jewish kids like seeing Jesus on the cross and the Protestants hear how wrong their beliefs are?


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    #211
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    splinter65 wrote: »
    SF don’t want “equality”. SF want “socialism” which is a different thing altogether.
    What it means, in every single solitary country where it’s ever been tried, that lots of people end up dead , and yes, there’s equality, everyone is equally miserable equally hungry and equally poor, except for the ones in charge, who are now more “equal” then everyone else.

    Think it is mistake to ascribe any particular political philosophy to Sinn Fein over and above a threadbare populism. Yesterday "anti water charge", day before yesterday "Brits out" today "housing" tomorrow "healthcare" next week?? "Kill the Jews?" who knows. No coherent policy or belief system over and above getting power.


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