Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

stephenjmcd · 05-08-2020 11:33AM

Thread on yesterday's NPHET advice
https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1290944486412103680?s=19

snowgal · 05-08-2020 11:36AM

thelad95 wrote: »

Lad, nowhere in that link does it say the time limit doesn't apply if it's two metres. The time limit applies regardless.

It's people like your "local landlord" that are ruining it for everyone.

just to clarify on this, it does apply. Have rang failte ireland etc where we work to find out for sure. It IS in failte Ireland guidelines as below:

■ Pre-booking and time limited slots of 105 minutes duration are
not a requirement if physical distancing of 2 metres* is strictly
maintained page 6 of guidelines

stephenjmcd · 05-08-2020 11:39AM

Contained within the NPHET thread above
https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1290946721716023297?s=19

KrustyUCC · 05-08-2020 11:40AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

"Significant clusters of new Covid-19 cases have been identified in direct provision centres, among the Traveller community and in meat factories, according to advice given to Government by public health officials.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) highlighted the number of clusters in all three settings and among people in the Roma community and in homelessness services when warning against entering into Phase Four of the Government’s Roadmap for Reopening Society and Business."

Further down in the article,

"This included 21 outbreaks in Direct Provision Centres involving 235 individual cases – and 47 new cases centre in four clusters were identified in the last week.

Separately, there have been 10 coronavirus outbreaks among the Traveller Community which involved 89 people testing positive for Covid-19. In the past week, 21 new cases relating to two clusters have been linked to the Traveller community.

Health officials identified 51 workplace clusters of the virus with almost half (24) linked to meat processing plants around the country. There have been two outbreaks in meat factories in the last week involving 47 new cases."

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-nphet-highlights-clusters-in-direct-provision-centres-and-among-traveller-and-roma-communities-39425359.html?__twitter_impression=true

Nice to see the government using those clusters to beat the rest of society with

Kinda like when reopening was pushed back thanks to the mess up in nursing homes

Boggles · 05-08-2020 11:41AM

People from abroad reading

Travel related

Traveller related

Must be as confused as fúck.

KrustyUCC · 05-08-2020 11:43AM

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1290945128148992000

Yet Donnolly was pushing being worried about community transmission on Prime Time last night

hmmm · 05-08-2020 11:43AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Nice to see the government using those clusters to beat the rest of society with

Clusters don't spring up out of nowhere - they indicate that we have spread in the community, and it becomes particularly obvious when it reaches certain locations (usually indoor, close proximity, poor ventilation).

KrustyUCC · 05-08-2020 11:49AM

Apparently the traveller clusters relate to travel to a funeral in England

Not much the Irish people can do about that

05-08-2020 11:56AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1290945128148992000

Yet Donnolly was pushing being worried about community transmission on Prime Time last night

In truth the new government is more worried about being compared to the old government. In March there was I believe, particularly among those who were well informed, a widespread understanding that the measures in place were there to protect the health system and prevent a widespread breakdown of the healthcare in this country such as occurred in Lombardy, while there was always an understanding that this would continue to spread. Somewhere along the line this has turned into a daily case count only, where numbers of positives are the only measure, even though we have achieved a top notch tracing system with a healthcare system with breathing room to allow a degree of growth without the need for panic.
Why has this changed? Especially when the virus itself, although still a serious challenge requiring a continued massive effort to control, is less dangerous than originally thought

Hector Savage · 05-08-2020 11:58AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1290916583137738752?s=20

Worst thing about this study is 78% were classed as mild.

What is manifest brain damage anyway ?

hmmm · 05-08-2020 12:00PM

This should put an end to the "just open everything up and save the economy" discussion, but of course it won't

The better you suppress the virus, the more your economy can recover.

https://twitter.com/wgriffin99/status/1290921482751815685/photo/1

Quantum Erasure · 05-08-2020 12:02PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Apparently the traveller clusters relate to travel to a funeral in England

Not much the Irish people can do about that

So, it's travellers traveling that's the problem....,

KrustyUCC · 05-08-2020 12:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Contained within the NPHET thread above
https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1290946721716023297?s=19

I'm surprised the government actually changed some NPHET advice from 22.30 to 23.00

KrustyUCC · 05-08-2020 12:06PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

So, it's travellers traveling that's the problem....,

Bringing back the virus is the problem

Loafing Oaf · 05-08-2020 12:07PM

iguana wrote: »

I'd add that the most common neurological symptoms listed are mood change, fatigue and headache. I don't want to be dismissive of people's symptoms but if you are sick for months experiencing 'mood change' is probably quite normal. Most of the long term symptoms associated with Covid involve difficulty breathing, which is genuinely very tiring. And having headaches after an illness is pretty normal as you are probably having less exercise, your diet is different, probably lack of vitamin D or other deficiencies, etc.

Over 25% having memory loss is pretty disturbing though:eek:

iguana · 05-08-2020 12:12PM

hmmm wrote: »

This should put an end to the "just open everything up and save the economy" discussion, but of course it won't The better you suppress the virus, the more your economy can recover.

The thing that I worry about, is if we go to phase 4 too soon or even just schools reopening with the dire level of planning that has gone into schools. That if we see a big rise of cases and we may have to go back several phases. That means we could lose the freedoms that we have now. Businesses that opened in phase 3 and maybe even phase 2 could have to close again. We could see ourselves restricted in the areas we can travel to or no longer be allowed to visit nearby family/friends in their homes.

One of the arguments for returning children to schools is their social development but currently they can meet and play with friends. What if we return them to schools too soon and the result is going back to months of no socialisation outside the home? I really, really don't want to risk losing where we are because we pushed for too much too soon.

caveat emptor · 05-08-2020 12:14PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

What is manifest brain damage anyway ?

Short answer:bad

Long answer: Read the paper or ask a brain surgeon.

3 months after the virus literally the shape of the brain has changed in those who've had it. (in that sample of people)
It could explain their neurological symptoms people are having and suggests the long term effects of this disease are quite serious. i.e herd immunity might not be something worth going for.

At this follow-up visit, 33/60 (55%) patients still had neurological symptoms. The numbers of patients feeling fatigue and mood change declined significantly com- pared with before (p value < 0.05). 47 (78.33%) of the patients were classified as the mild type of COVID-19, 12 (20.00%) patients were severe type, and 1 (1.67%) was grouped as critical type.

iguana · 05-08-2020 12:19PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Over 25% having memory loss is pretty disturbing though:eek:

I think we'd have to know more about the memory loss to conclude that. Do they have general memory loss where they can't normal remember parts of their lives? That would be concerning. Or do they just not remember the worst parts of their hospitalisation? That would be fairly normal. Are they maybe at home now and experiencing not remembering why they walked into a room more frequently? That should be monitored carefully but is more than likely normal in a convalescent period.

05-08-2020 12:21PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Short answer:bad

Long answer: Read the paper or ask a brain surgeon.

3 months after the virus literally the shape of the brain has changed in those who've had it. (in that sample of people)
It could explain their neurological symptoms people are having and suggests the long term effects of this disease are quite serious. i.e herd immunity might not be something worth going for.

All were hospitalised, over 60% had a level of oxygen support. All indications I can see is that the "damage", which was improving over time was caused by low blood oxygen which was caused by pneumonia, which was caused by Covid, rather than it being some magical unknown effect of covid specifically.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322803#:~:text=Share%20on%20Pinterest%20Brain%20hypoxia,temporary%20loss%20of%20memory

caveat emptor · 05-08-2020 12:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

All were hospitalised, over 60% had a level of oxygen support. All indications I can see is that the "damage", which was improving over time was caused by low blood oxygen which was caused by pneumonia, which was caused by Covid, rather than it being some magical unknown effect of covid specifically.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322803#:~:text=Share%20on%20Pinterest%20Brain%20hypoxia,temporary%20loss%20of%20memory

So to summarise......

It's probably nothing &
Don't Panic!!!!!

I won't cheers.

jammiedodgers · 05-08-2020 12:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

People from abroad reading

Travel related

Traveller related

Must be as confused as fúck.

Wait until they find out the travellers don't actually travel anywhere. :pac:

05-08-2020 12:36PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So to summarise......

It's probably nothing &
Don't Panic!!!!!

I won't cheers.

Studies such as those you link are useful because they give physicians the longer term information to effectively treat patients who may suffer long term effects of a serious Covid infection. However as public information it serves only to unnecessarily panic those who do not have the scientific understanding and / or time to take the information as part of the overall picture, and the known wider physiological impacts of severe respiratory conditions. SAR-Cov2 can and does cause a serious condition in a proportion of those who catch the virus. But the effects are not dissimilar to those seen in other viruses. It is not a magical virus that attacks every aspect of our body. Is is respiratory virus that attacks the respiratory system and the ability of the body to absorb oxygen, and the wider impacts are consistent with the damage caused by a severe respiratory condition.

wadacrack · 05-08-2020 12:46PM

Hospitalizations now upto 17. Steady increase in the last week

GooglePlus · 05-08-2020 12:56PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Hospitalizations now upto 17. Steady increase in the last week

Roughly the same as the beginning of March and that figure almost tripled in less than a week.

No way we'll see a surge like that with the young age of most of these cases but will be interesting to compare.

ACitizenErased · 05-08-2020 12:57PM

NPHET saying community transmission is stable and Donnelly coming out and saying the opposite

Jokeshop.

mean gene · 05-08-2020 01:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NPHET saying community transmission is stable and Donnelly coming out and saying the opposite Jokeshop.

in comparison to the last government these guys are sh1te-yes leo was there before

caveat emptor · 05-08-2020 01:05PM

I agree studies are useful.
I agree we shouldn't panic.
I don't agree with you that this is like other viruses.
Because we don't know yet. It's novel.

Saying we need to get back to normal and isolate the vulnerable is not a prudent strategy
if this thing leaves invisible irreparable damage that manifests years later.
Anybody saying it's normal and we have to live with it doesn't understand it.

"We should try to avoid being infected”
For many different reasons.

https://twitter.com/TeunkeA/status/1290696935633018886?s=20

mandrake04 · 05-08-2020 01:05PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Security guards were riding people in quarantine, picking up infections and leaving work and spreading covid.

The inquiry into this has been put back 6 weeks as there is more to it than just that, you will probably find this allegation is more of a sensationalist headline as its likely it was only one security guard .

What seems to be the real culprit was there were 3 private firms were subcontracted to do this and the guards were recruited by whatsup mostly from a particular nationality for a flat rate of $20/hr which is absolute peanuts. They were letting inmates out to go to the 7/11, fast food, bottle shop and smoke in the park next door to the hotel and they would join them offering use of lighters etc. it seems that the guards might have been taking a small backhander to let people out and possibly let visitors in and run errands for them.

also some of the guards were uber drivers.

is_that_so · 05-08-2020 01:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NPHET saying community transmission is stable and Donnelly coming out and saying the opposite Jokeshop.

It's more indicative of his approach. What better way to look like a good MoH than by ordering people to follow the public health or something like it?!

GazzaL · 05-08-2020 01:07PM

I heard about a fella wearing one of those plastic face shields which fogged up, resulting in him not being able to see, falling and injuring himself, and a nice trip to hospital.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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