Masks

is_that_so · 05-08-2020 09:43AM

No: other

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

Let's hope they have signs outside the shops.

No mask, No entry, No service.

and

someone to police it...... Not just Mary saying "OK I will let you in this time". The first bit of power that the downtrodden Mary has ever had in her life. She feels good.

And ultimately no business! They are low risk and there are plenty of options who will welcome customers whatever they are wearing. The targeting of them is on the assumption there will be large numbers of people in them. Supermarkets aside, I doubt that's happening to any degree. The numbers I saw around Dublin yesterday wouldn't keep a corner shop going for long. Quite a few retailers may not last.

ednwireland · 05-08-2020 09:47AM

No: other

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The Dail doesn't have to be sitting for it to be legalised.

so why wasnt it amended 2 weeks ago ? or is it the penalties that need the dail to sit ?

is_that_so · 05-08-2020 09:56AM

No: other

ednwireland wrote: »

so why wasnt it amended 2 weeks ago ? or is it the penalties that need the dail to sit ?

No, "De minister" will sign the order. They were waiting on the regulations from the DoH.

Graham · 05-08-2020 09:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

it is more appropriate to say you have a face covering rather than a mask as it does not afford anything like the same degree of protection for the wearer or the public.

Much more protection that no mask, whatever you decide to call it.

Quantum Erasure · 05-08-2020 10:11AM

Franklin Deep Prisoner wrote: »

Aye, the new laws are still outstanding

At least someone likes them....

05-08-2020 10:12AM

Graham wrote: »

Much more protection that no mask, whatever you decide to call it.

They do protect others, protection for the wearer is debatable as standards will be highly variable. Not arguing that we shouldn't wear them in potential close contact situations, but tell a contact tracer that you were wearing a face covering and the reply will be where suits you to go for a test, and isolate in the interim.

CalamariFritti · 05-08-2020 10:22AM

screamer wrote: »

I’ll be very happy to see no one allowed into shops without a mask. Some of the replies on this thread show that people do 0 research and just jump to conclusions and ranting absolute nonsense. I’ll be wearing my mask as usual to protect me.
I don’t see the big deal at all, like in a swimming pool you have to wear a hat, that’s the rule no exceptions. This refusal to wear a mask just seems like stubbornness for the sake of it.

And its about as useful as the hat in the swimming pool, very fitting analogy.

gmisk · 05-08-2020 10:31AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

And its about as useful as the hat in the swimming pool, very fitting analogy.

You do know a hat in a swimming pool is extremely useful though right?.....it helps stop hair from clogging up the filtration system in the pool....and it protects the wearer from getting a tonne of chlorine on their hair (as well as sun damage if outside) not to mention chlorine getting into their ears, leading to infections etc.

circadian · 05-08-2020 10:32AM

Yes: other

This refusal to wear a mask just seems like stubbornness for the sake of it.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

And its about as useful as the hat in the swimming pool, very fitting analogy.

The irony.

Graham · 05-08-2020 10:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They do protect others

That is the point.

gmisk · 05-08-2020 11:25AM

And with that..... not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.....lol

anplaya27 · 05-08-2020 11:33AM

As a Deaf ISL user, masks are the bane of my life atm. I would like hearing people to try and understand this. Lipreading is very very hard. You are trying to get a Deaf person to try and understand a language theyve never heard. Masks make this even more difficult.

Those who are giving out about having to wear masks are just idiots. It doesnt really impact a hearing persons life like it does a Deaf persons. Hearing people are getting visibly frustrated with us because we cant understand them at all. Put yourselves in our shoes. In it together my arsè.

ExMachina1000 · 05-08-2020 12:00PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Wore a mask for 5 hours straight yesterday while working. At the end of the day my eyes where stinging for some reason. I'm ok today though. Didn't catch covid either so that's also a plus

v638sg7k1a92bx · 05-08-2020 12:06PM

gmisk wrote: »

You do know a hat in a swimming pool is extremely useful though right?.....it helps stop hair from clogging up the filtration system in the pool....and it protects the wearer from getting a tonne of chlorine on their hair (as well as sun damage if outside) not to mention chlorine getting into their ears, leading to infections etc.

But it doesn't stop your hair from getting wet or other people's hair from getting wet or stop other people from getting ear infections. Masks are show to be ineffective for several reasons. Yes technically they reduce transmissions but it's a pointless exercise due to the very low probability of infection and extremely low chances of death even if you do contract the virus. So yes in theory if you were statistically unlikely to be in close proximity to someone who had the virus then the chance of infection could be reduced if in the right circumstances but you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way.

The cost of wearing a mask in terms of environmental, societal, economic and the impact on social interactions greatly outweighs the very small benefits of reduced transmissions (which is still not clear) when you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way. It's a lot of effort for a tiny gain i.e. the juice is not worth the squeeze.

joeguevara · 05-08-2020 12:08PM

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

But it doesn't stop your hair from getting wet or other people's hair from getting wet or stop other people from getting ear infections. Masks are show to be ineffective for several reasons. Yes technically they reduce transmissions but it's a pointless exercise due to the very low probability of infection and extremely low chances of death even if you do contract the virus. So yes in theory if you were statistically unlikely to be in close proximity to someone who had the virus then the chance of infection could be reduced if in the right circumstances but you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way.

The cost of wearing a mask in terms of environmental, societal, economic and the impact on social interactions greatly outweighs the very small benefits of reduced transmissions (which is still not clear) when you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way. It's a lot of effort for a tiny gain i.e. the juice is not worth the squeeze.

And that is a load of emotive words with a few clichés thrown in with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Not one actual piece.

circadian · 05-08-2020 12:12PM

Yes: other

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

But it doesn't stop your hair from getting wet or other people's hair from getting wet or stop other people from getting ear infections. Masks are show to be ineffective for several reasons. Yes technically they reduce transmissions but it's a pointless exercise due to the very low probability of infection and extremely low chances of death even if you do contract the virus. So yes in theory if you were statistically unlikely to be in close proximity to someone who had the virus then the chance of infection could be reduced if in the right circumstances but you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way.

The cost of wearing a mask in terms of environmental, societal, economic and the impact on social interactions greatly outweighs the very small benefits of reduced transmissions (which is still not clear) when you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way. It's a lot of effort for a tiny gain i.e. the juice is not worth the squeeze.

Guff. The lot of it. Guff.

xhomelezz · 05-08-2020 12:13PM

Yes: valved

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

But it doesn't stop your hair from getting wet or other people's hair from getting wet or stop other people from getting ear infections. Masks are show to be ineffective for several reasons. Yes technically they reduce transmissions but it's a pointless exercise due to the very low probability of infection and extremely low chances of death even if you do contract the virus. So yes in theory if you were statistically unlikely to be in close proximity to someone who had the virus then the chance of infection could be reduced if in the right circumstances but you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way.

The cost of wearing a mask in terms of environmental, societal, economic and the impact on social interactions greatly outweighs the very small benefits of reduced transmissions (which is still not clear) when you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way. It's a lot of effort for a tiny gain i.e. the juice is not worth the squeeze.

Back again...with nothing

Away With The Fairies · 05-08-2020 12:14PM

Yes: valved

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

But it doesn't stop your hair from getting wet or other people's hair from getting wet or stop other people from getting ear infections. Masks are show to be ineffective for several reasons. Yes technically they reduce transmissions but it's a pointless exercise due to the very low probability of infection and extremely low chances of death even if you do contract the virus. So yes in theory if you were statistically unlikely to be in close proximity to someone who had the virus then the chance of infection could be reduced if in the right circumstances but you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way.

The cost of wearing a mask in terms of environmental, societal, economic and the impact on social interactions greatly outweighs the very small benefits of reduced transmissions (which is still not clear) when you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way. It's a lot of effort for a tiny gain i.e. the juice is not worth the squeeze.

You didn't catch the virus already, did you? Another poster linked to something in the main thread about a study of patients and even mild patients showing brain damage.

odyssey06 · 05-08-2020 12:19PM

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Masks are show to be ineffective for several reasons. Yes technically they reduce transmissions but it's a pointless exercise due to the very low probability of infection and extremely low chances of death even if you do contract the virus. So yes in theory if you were statistically unlikely to be in close proximity to someone who had the virus then the chance of infection could be reduced if in the right circumstances but you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way.

Ineffective but they reduce transmissions?

We'll just leave that massive contradiction hanging there for consideration.

xhomelezz · 05-08-2020 12:20PM

Yes: valved

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You didn't catch the virus already, did you? Another poster linked to something in the main thread about a study of patients and even mild patients showing brain damage.

Ah no, no virus for him, he's well prepared for anything

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Tork · 05-08-2020 12:21PM

Yes: to protect others

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Wore a mask for 5 hours straight yesterday while working. At the end of the day my eyes where stinging for some reason. I'm ok today though. Didn't catch covid either so that's also a plus

Which fast-acting strain of Covid-19 would this be?

odyssey06 · 05-08-2020 12:24PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Wore a mask for 5 hours straight yesterday while working. At the end of the day my eyes where stinging for some reason. I'm ok today though. Didn't catch covid either so that's also a plus

Only thing I can think of is that the mask is directing your warm breath up towards your eyes?
If you were wearing glasses they'd probably have fogged up.

If it's a surgical mask, try breathing out through your nose and press the metal strip snugly around the bridge of your nose.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 05-08-2020 01:06PM

joeguevara wrote: »

And that is a load of emotive words with a few clichés thrown in with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Not one actual piece.

Nothing emotive about it. Simple statements of fact.

Loafing Oaf · 05-08-2020 01:07PM

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Yes technically they reduce transmission.

*anticipates Graham*

That's the relevant bit.

joeguevara · 05-08-2020 01:11PM

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Nothing emotive about it. Simple statements of fact.

Simple yes. Not facts.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 05-08-2020 01:14PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Ineffective but they reduce transmissions?

We'll just leave that massive contradiction hanging there for consideration.

I'm sorry if you don't like the answers but that's the reality. If you wanted to dig a giant hole you can use a shovel and spade which would work and technically you are making progress but it is a lot of time and energy for very little gain.
That is what you are doing when you a wearing a mask.

Wear a mask if it makes you feel better but the difference you are making is insignificant in the wider context.

robinph · 05-08-2020 01:15PM

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The cost of wearing a mask in terms of environmental, societal, economic and the impact on social interactions greatly outweighs the very small benefits of reduced transmissions (which is still not clear) when you are just as likely to contract the virus some other way. It's a lot of effort for a tiny gain i.e. the juice is not worth the squeeze.

What are the environmental, societal and economic costs of wearing a mask?

Re the environment, if people take their own rubbish home with them and dispose of it properly then wheres the problem? Probably more waste generated from takeaway coffee chains suspending re-usable cups usage for the last few months.

The impact on society could potentially be down to deaf people who need to lip read not being able to communicate properly, but in that case asking someone to remove their mask would be the solution, don't think it's an insurmountable task to make people aware of the need to do such things.

The economy is surely going to be doing better if more people are able to get out and about and into shops and places of work and spending money? There is also a new cottage industry of people sewing together masks for people, that on it's own isn't going to save the world economy but it does get some people who might otherwise have zero income able to earn again.

robinph · 05-08-2020 01:18PM

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

I'm sorry if you don't like the answers but that's the reality. If you wanted to dig a giant hole you can use a shovel and spade which would work and technically you are making progress but it is a lot of time and energy for very little gain.
That is what you are doing when you a wearing a mask.

Wear a mask if it makes you feel better but the difference you are making is insignificant in the wider context.

Yes, one person wearing a mask is the equivalent of one termite trying to build a mound on it's own. But if everyone wears a mask then the combined effort of them all reducing their chance of passing on the infection becomes worthwhile and significant, and why termites would tend to work together to build a home for themselves as their actions alone are relatively worthless.

xhomelezz · 05-08-2020 01:22PM

Yes: valved

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

I'm sorry if you don't like the answers but that's the reality. If you wanted to dig a giant hole you can use a shovel and spade which would work and technically you are making progress but it is a lot of time and energy for very little gain.
That is what you are doing when you a wearing a mask.

Wear a mask if it makes you feel better but the difference you are making is insignificant in the wider context.

Well government finally sorted all your doubts. You have to wear one in retail from Monday. That's a simple fact. Hopefully followed and supported by nice fine on the spot, if you don't wear one.

is_that_so · 05-08-2020 01:23PM

No: other

xhomelezz wrote: »

Well government finally sorted all your doubts. You have to wear one in retail from Monday. That's a simple fact. Hopefully followed and supported by nice fine on the spot, if you don't wear one.

Who's going to police that? They can just ask you to leave.

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