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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #8702
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Well bias of a zealot is the inability to entertain doubt. You “don’t know” if Gerry Adams was in the IRA, despite the testimony of former comrades and all the indications that he was. Yet are completely, unalterably convinced that the IRA campaign of violence “worked out well for the republican side”. No doubt, no circumspection, no entertainment of counter argument.

    That is clear bias on your behalf Frankie. Your “big picture” view is through the prism of your own prejudices.

    Former bitter comrades for one reason or another are unreliable and there is as much sense in Adams not being a member for strategic reasons as there were for him being a member.
    As I say, I don't know if he was or not, and further, I am not sure...well actually I am...if I care one way or another if he was. Nobody has convinced me what actual difference it makes one way or another.

    I didn't say the IRA campaign of violence worked out well for the republican side either. The violence of the conflict/war diminished everyone involved in it.
    But you cannot deny the success of the GFA for nationalists surely...can you?
    And SF getting themselves to that table was a success.
    How that came about is there in the factual history, ignore it if you wish...but your ignorance diminishes your argument and puts you on a certain side with a certain mindset that will be familiar to any historians of the era.


  • #8703
    costacorta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭costacorta


    maccored wrote: »
    'known sympathiser' ... so neither in the IRA or SF. Thats cleared that up. I did say no hearsay btw, only actual facts linking to SF or the IRA.

    Not hearsay did you not see him being jailed for money laundering. I can’t prove anyone was or is In SF Or IRA but I do know he was a sympathiser and had money from NI bank raid found so unless police planted it I think it’s fair to say it was IRA money ..


  • #8704
    costacorta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭costacorta


    https://sluggerotoole.com/tag/ted-cunningham/. Just in case you think it’s hearsay


  • #8705
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    costacorta wrote: »
    https://sluggerotoole.com/tag/ted-cunningham/. Just in case you think it’s hearsay

    Far as I know that case is being contested by Cunningham. So an 'I don't know' approach needs to be taken with it.


  • #8706
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Far as I know that case is being contested by Cunningham. So an 'I don't know' approach needs to be taken with it.

    Ah now Francie, you know as well as I do that he pleaded guilty to 9 out of the 10 charges 3 days into his retrial. The fact that he began high court proceedings in 2019 to see where the 3m that was seized from his house went (and as per court papers not him wanting it back) is not him contesting it.


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  • #8707
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Ah now Francie, you know as well as I do that he pleaded guilty to 9 out of the 10 charges 3 days into his retrial. The fact that he began high court proceedings in 2019 to see where the 3m that was seized from his house went (and as per court papers not him wanting it back) is not him contesting it.

    He pleaded guilty to money laundering yes, but denies it was Northern Bank money.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/5045039/ted-cunningham-northern-bank-robbery-suing-state/


  • #8708
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Honest Ted??

    That's the end of that so


  • #8709
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Honest Ted??

    That's the end of that so

    The money from Eastern European Business men that just happened to be resting in his account. As Francie has already agreed with, he pleaded guilty to money laundering so TC explanation of legitimate busiessmen is bullsh1t.

    But I did hear that Derry City had a £26.5 million offer for Ronaldinho turned down in 2004 so who knows what to believe.


  • #8710
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,780 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    costacorta wrote: »
    Not hearsay did you not see him being jailed for money laundering. I can’t prove anyone was or is In SF Or IRA but I do know he was a sympathiser and had money from NI bank raid found so unless police planted it I think it’s fair to say it was IRA money ..

    so anyone done for money laundering is automatically linked to the robbery? How do you work that out. as I say, no-one in SF or the IRA has ever been put away or charged with the robbery. yet there was 50 gs in an RUC leisure centre directly linked to the robbery.

    Explain that one for me (and leave out the hilarious 'the ira snuck in and put it there' routine)


  • #8711
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,780 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    costacorta wrote: »
    https://sluggerotoole.com/tag/ted-cunningham/. Just in case you think it’s hearsay

    wasnt he an ex SF councillor? IE, not in SF?
    Today, Cunningham pleaded guilty to money laundering £100,040 stg on January 15th 2005 by transferring it to John Douglas in Tullamore, Co Offaly.

    He also pleaded guilty to money laundering £175,360 on February 7th 2005 by transferring it to John Sheehan in Ballincollig, Co Cork and receiving three cheques totalling €200,000.

    Never said the money was from the bank robbery. he was accused of that, but they found him guilty on money laundering. no specifics that it was Northern Bank money


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  • #8712
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Looks like the Hume family are not going to stage a false funeral for publicity purposes. And shinners apparently having fkn cheek to demand that more of them are allowed into the Cathedral!


  • #8713
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,780 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Looks like the Hume family are not going to stage a false funeral for publicity purposes. And shinners apparently having fkn cheek to demand that more of them are allowed into the Cathedral!

    whats that got to do with anything? More anti SF personal opinion?


  • #8714
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    maccored wrote: »
    whats that got to do with anything? More anti SF personal opinion?


    You might recall they pretended to bury Big Bobby a while back to get the punters out?

    They are now complaining that the list they sent to the funeral organisers of shinner liggers has been cut back. Adams, O'Neill and whoever the MP is will be there. They are trying to get ML and others in for the photo op.

    Shameless fks.


  • #8715
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    maccored wrote: »
    whats that got to do with anything? More anti SF personal opinion?

    It does show how a true Irish patriot and nationalist can be celebrated during an unprecedented global pandemic without having to bus in a load of fat men with 2 blade shave cuts from around Ireland to form a sinister cortège.


  • #8716
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    It does show how a true Irish patriot and nationalist can be celebrated during an unprecedented global pandemic without having to bus in a load of fat men with 2 blade shave cuts from around Ireland to form a sinister cortège.
    Cushy Butterfield will want to travel up from Dublin for the group photo. She is low in the publicity stakes lately.


  • #8717
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Edgware wrote: »
    Cushy Butterfield will want to travel up from Dublin for the group photo. She is low in the publicity stakes lately.

    If it's a choice between ML and Michelle i wonder who they will pick?

    Adams obviously should be there and one SF leader. That would be it. Can't imagine that other parties will be trying to get anyone not invited.

    He has a big family so numbers of politicos be severely curtailed.


  • #8718
    costacorta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭costacorta


    maccored wrote: »
    so anyone done for money laundering is automatically linked to the robbery? How do you work that out. as I say, no-one in SF or the IRA has ever been put away or charged with the robbery. yet there was 50 gs in an RUC leisure centre directly linked to the robbery.

    Explain that one for me (and leave out the hilarious 'the ira snuck in and put it there' routine)

    The dogs in the street know it was NI bank money hidden in wheelie bins around his house . I know the man and his family and actually a lovely man but also well known RA supporter .


  • #8719
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    costacorta wrote: »
    The dogs in the street know it was NI bank money hidden in wheelie bins around his house . I know the man and his family and actually a lovely man but also well known RA supporter .

    You will find that the Sinn Fein IRA crew will demand proof of everything. A devotion to standards of proof and accountability not afforded to the young kids they were so happy to maim in punishment beatings and shootings


  • #8720
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    It does show how a true Irish patriot and nationalist can be celebrated during an unprecedented global pandemic without having to bus in a load of fat men with 2 blade shave cuts from around Ireland to form a sinister cortège.

    The SDLP avoided the outrage of the high moral grounders just before Storey's funeral when social distancing was ignored.
    Like the state funeral everyone gave it a pass as it was a funeral.
    Not so for the Shinners, yeh couldnt let a good bashing op like that go.


  • #8721
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    maccored wrote: »
    so anyone done for money laundering is automatically linked to the robbery? How do you work that out. as I say, no-one in SF or the IRA has ever been put away or charged with the robbery. yet there was 50 gs in an RUC leisure centre directly linked to the robbery.

    Explain that one for me (and leave out the hilarious 'the ira snuck in and put it there' routine)

    You're very peaved about this macco, what are you afraid of?
    Shur it was the greatest robbery ever and the boys got away with it to boot.
    Thats some achievement when you think about it.


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  • #8722
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    You're very peaved about this macco, what are you afraid of?
    Shur it was the greatest robbery ever and the boys got away with it to boot.
    Thats some achievement when you think about it.

    Not even SF supporters think it wasn’t the IRA who were behind the bank robbery, and that Bobby Storey was actively involved in its planning. They know deep down it was, and that’s why the denials always seem so half-hearted and hollow.


  • #8723
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,780 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    You're very peaved about this macco, what are you afraid of?
    Shur it was the greatest robbery ever and the boys got away with it to boot.
    Thats some achievement when you think about it.

    not peaved at all - just wondering why the strange blindness people have.

    its apparently grand to blame sf and the IRA for something theres no proof they had anything to do with, yet on the otherhand still apparently believing in justice and democracy with the right to being innocent until proven guilty.

    Personally i think thats a bit ****ed up because you cant say the former and believe in the latter.


  • #8724
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,780 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Not even SF supporters think it wasn’t the IRA who were behind the bank robbery, and that Bobby Storey was actively involved in its planning. They know deep down it was, and that’s why the denials always seem so half-hearted and hollow.

    perfect example of what I mean. All talk, nothing to back it up with. Weird that Bobby Storey wasnt put in jail for the robbery.


  • #8725
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maccored wrote: »
    not peaved at all - just wondering why the strange blindness people have.

    its apparently grand to blame sf and the IRA for something theres no proof they had anything to do with, yet on the otherhand still apparently believing in justice and democracy with the right to being innocent until proven guilty.

    Personally i think thats a bit ****ed up because you cant say the former and believe in the latter.

    Yes maccored, spot on - beware the righteous high moral grounders when they get into 'allegations are enough' mode.


  • #8726
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    maccored wrote: »
    perfect example of what I mean. All talk, nothing to back it up with. Weird that Bobby Storey wasnt put in jail for the robbery.

    Much much weirder that Gerry Adams is bouncing naked on his trampoline with his teddy rather that in prison for directing terrorism, murder theft etc


  • #8727
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,780 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Much much weirder that Gerry Adams is bouncing naked on his trampoline with his teddy rather that in prison for directing terrorism, murder theft etc

    another nonsensical post that doesnt answer the question


  • #8728
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Much much weirder that Gerry Adams is bouncing naked on his trampoline with his teddy rather that in prison for directing terrorism, murder theft etc

    Imagining things like that does nothing for me. Whatever floats yer boat as they say.


  • #8729
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,780 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Imagining things like that does nothing for me. Whatever floats yer boat as they say.

    sure adams would have every right to dance whatever way he wants - unclothed and with teddy or not - on his trampoline anyway as long as he's keeping it private.

    Looks like truthvader likes the idea of less rights ... not for everyone mind, but if other people say someone should have less rights then sure they'd be right? Same logic behind the british government saying the IRA robbed a bank so therefore it must be true. like they'd never lie


  • #8730
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    What are Sinn Fein's views on whether the pubs and schools should be reopened? Yes or no?


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  • #8731
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,597 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    correct horse battery staple wrote: »
    Good, the people have spoken, and 3/4 of em don't want SF.

    More than 3/4's didn't want FG or FF and god knows how many didn't want the Greens but look what they got,


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