maccored wrote: » whats that got to do with anything? More anti SF personal opinion?
Bonniedog wrote: » Looks like the Hume family are not going to stage a false funeral for publicity purposes. And shinners apparently having fkn cheek to demand that more of them are allowed into the Cathedral!
costacorta wrote: » https://sluggerotoole.com/tag/ted-cunningham/. Just in case you think it’s hearsay
Today, Cunningham pleaded guilty to money laundering £100,040 stg on January 15th 2005 by transferring it to John Douglas in Tullamore, Co Offaly. He also pleaded guilty to money laundering £175,360 on February 7th 2005 by transferring it to John Sheehan in Ballincollig, Co Cork and receiving three cheques totalling €200,000.
costacorta wrote: » Not hearsay did you not see him being jailed for money laundering. I can’t prove anyone was or is In SF Or IRA but I do know he was a sympathiser and had money from NI bank raid found so unless police planted it I think it’s fair to say it was IRA money ..
Truthvader wrote: » Honest Ted?? That's the end of that so
joeguevara wrote: » Ah now Francie, you know as well as I do that he pleaded guilty to 9 out of the 10 charges 3 days into his retrial. The fact that he began high court proceedings in 2019 to see where the 3m that was seized from his house went (and as per court papers not him wanting it back) is not him contesting it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Far as I know that case is being contested by Cunningham. So an 'I don't know' approach needs to be taken with it.
maccored wrote: » 'known sympathiser' ... so neither in the IRA or SF. Thats cleared that up. I did say no hearsay btw, only actual facts linking to SF or the IRA.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Well bias of a zealot is the inability to entertain doubt. You “don’t know” if Gerry Adams was in the IRA, despite the testimony of former comrades and all the indications that he was. Yet are completely, unalterably convinced that the IRA campaign of violence “worked out well for the republican side”. No doubt, no circumspection, no entertainment of counter argument. That is clear bias on your behalf Frankie. Your “big picture” view is through the prism of your own prejudices.
FrancieBrady wrote: » 'Wikipedia'? WTF? :D You really do depend on your biased perceptions don't you? You are so biased that you cannot let yourself think that actions by the IRA or indeed any side had consequences and outcomes. It would somehow be a defeat for you. I can accept that the republican side took many wrong turns, and did stuff that was wrong and counter productive and counter to any moral code. I can also see without defending it, that things they did had an effect that worked out well for the republican side. But you cannot look at the whole picture...very strange but very indicative of a certain mindset.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Discuss it seriously? You scramble to Wikipedia to try to shore up your argument, after already changing the goalposts. Then offer the opinion of a US congressman as “proof” while your response to the opinion of hundreds of experts on the Troubles to Gerry Adams IRA membership and the Northern Bank Robbery is “I don’t know”.
FrancieBrady wrote: » US Congressman Bruce Morrison or Kings College London are hardly hotbeds of 'republican mythmaking' and both of them accaept that Canary Wharf and other bombings led to the British accepting SF at the table. The facts SS, you cannot just throw them out because it might lead to somebody claiming you are glorifying the act. I am not glorifying or gloating, merely stating what actually happened. You need to face up to those facts, unpalatable as they are, if you are going to discuss seriously.
markodaly wrote: » And we have our MAGA hat-wearing cheerleaders here to match those across the pond with zealot brainwashing.
markodaly wrote: » PIRA plants a bomb in the middle of an English market town on a Saturday afternoon which kills a 3 year old toddler and 12 year old boy.... who to blame? The British. Weren't you blaming the PSNI for the death of Lyra McKee earlier? I don't think anyone should take your views on the matter seriously.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Sinn Fein were allowed to the negotiating table after Sinn Fein leaked the FACT that the British had already been negotiating with an armed IRA for the past 3 years. A FACT that you have spent the last number of pages denying. Instead you are wedded to the idea that “it was the bombs what done it”. Swallowing hook, line and sinker the republican myth that the armed campaign was worthwhile and effective and that the IRA were an undefeated army. You not only seek to vindicate the bombing campaign you positively revel in it, writing how it struck at the British heartland, like something straight out of a Boys Own comic. You will note the IRA contact with the British following the Warrington bomb which stated “the war is over but we need your help to end it”.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Were SF allowwd to the negotiatong table SS? I never said anything about 'meetings'.
Truthvader wrote: » Still out there pushing "the RUC robbed the bank" Sinn Fein doublethink fantasy - and Francie saying he is not an IRA supporter. Its all too much. Plus the usual mad sad Sinn Fein focus on imaginary British Government conspiracies. All the Brits ever wanted was for Gerry and the heroes to stop killing and maiming innocent people and to get out. They would have and did talk to anyone. The reality is that the Sinn Fein IRA just wanted power and binned the stupid "United Ireland" program as soon as Gerry got what he wanted. Even poor Mary Lou's "United Ireland" bleating has more or less stopped now in favour of more populist fodder such as anti water charges/ free housing for all/ moron vote catching sound bites. Power is all they wanted - and they murdered there way to it in Northern Ireland. Result; a non functioning government of a sad useless statelet overseen by bigots and thugs incapable of speaking to each other, propped up by endless cash from the British Government
markodaly wrote: » Like when Gerry Adams was never in the IRA?
Adams is like Donald Trump with his bare-faced lies. He lies so much he doesn't even know it. And we have our MAGA hat-wearing cheerleaders here to match those across the pond with zealot brainwashing.
FrancieBrady wrote: » In the context of NI 'I don't know' is a safer point of view until you have proof.
Deleted User wrote: » If you are to believe the ira was riddled with informers and provided info surronding location of bomb......surely you must admit then, this is the fault of the british?? How did this killing help.the british security effort?
BloodyBill wrote: » The IRA robbed the bank. They planted 50,000 grand bizarrely to see if they could muddy the waters. They couldn't. That you could imagine the police robbing the bank is hilarious.
costacorta wrote: » You forgot to mention the thousands that were found in wheelie bins in Farran Co Cork in a house of a known sympathiser . I suppose the RUC planted it there as well lol ...
maccored wrote: » This id the second time to repeat and third time over all to explain to you, so focus really hard or do whatever you need to do to get that little brain thing of yours to start working. 50 thousand euro has been found in an RUC leisure centre theres no-one in sf or the ira who are being held under investigation of or indeed accused or convicted of anything to do with the fobbery (bar the ira guy who was accused of the robbery and when they couldnt pin that on him, they jailed him for being in the IRA instead) Both of those are facts - therefore the evidence to date points to the RUC. There has never been anything pointing to the IRA. You can misrepresent that in any fashion you like in order to avoid admitting those two facts are correct - but it’d be very obvious thats what you're hoping to do. You keep blaming the ira, you get asked if you can back that up and in reply you say the security forces say so. If that were true then either the investigation is a pretty **** one considering theres no movement in 16 years, or else its just crap. In society, we say innocent til proven guilty. Its the founding stone of the justice system. You obviously arent a fan of that idea
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