Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

CalamariFritti · 04-08-2020 05:04PM

We will not ever get cases down to our lows of July with pubs and/or schools opening. At least at one of them they 're gonna make an actual attempt. Its going to be schools which will last all of 2 days. Its gonna be a meltdown after that.

froog · 04-08-2020 05:04PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

relaxing restrictions and increased testing was always going to result in increased cases.

When they originally muted 10th August a couple of months back as part of the original phase 4, what case numbers did they have in mind when considering pubs opening?

stable low numbers with no increasing trend i would say.

Boggles · 04-08-2020 05:04PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And looking at the first face to face opinion poll since the pandmic his approval rating seems to show it's a good political strategy.

Not great for the country though.

Widdensushi · 04-08-2020 05:06PM

owlbethere wrote: »

If everyone else ran off a cliff, would you follow?
Leo explained the road map is a living document and open to change. Unfortunately case numbers are rising. I know a lot of the cases is related to clusters but there is some community transmissions happening. The more virus in the population the more community transmissions will occur. It would be very negligent of the government to open them now when cases have risen over the past few weeks. They need to get case numbers down. Its disappointing that the pubs are still closed for sure.

I didn't see it said anywhere that the pubs weren't opening, the hospitals are quiet, the deaths have are minimal.

thelad95 · 04-08-2020 05:10PM

I think it's about time people opened their eyes a little bit, all across Europe things are trending in the wrong direction and even away from the clusters in factories, we've been trending the wrong way for weeks.

Pubs are in no way necessary for the functioning in a society long term. For people who are alcohol dependent (an actual medical condition), alcohol is still readily available in any shop or supermarket. Everyone else can meet friends in parks, gardens or even in houses if necessary. People complain about house parties but the percentage of the population engaging in these is absolutely miniscule compared to the amount that will pile back into pubs. In addition, the tracing scenario from a house party is very straight forward, chances are everyone knows each other anyway making it very easy to trace everyone present.

We have to depend on publicans keeping records of everyone present, something that's been fairly lacklustre (from my experience) in the "restaurant" sector that has re-opened.

Pub crawls will also be extremely prevalent, a perhaps unintended but entirely predictable consequence of limiting time in pubs. Apart from a few groups bending the rules I doubt there's many groups who have a massive desire to spend 10-15 euro on food in multiple venues but remove that aspect and it's nearly guaranteed. So one asymptomatic spreader could end up in five poorly ventilated sweatboxes where contact tracing details may or may not be taken (likely not).

The perpetually outraged will come out and say that it will be the final nail in the coffin of some pubs but the government and NPHET already know this. As others have said in the wider interest of public health it's unfortunately something that can't be avoided.

US2 · 04-08-2020 05:13PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I think it's about time people opened their eyes a little bit, all across Europe things are trending in the wrong direction and even away from the clusters in factories, we've been trending the wrong way for weeks.

Pubs are in no way necessary for the functioning in a society long term. For people who are alcohol dependent (an actual medical condition), alcohol is still readily available in any shop or supermarket. Everyone else can meet friends in parks, gardens or even in houses if necessary. People complain about house parties but the percentage of the population engaging in these is absolutely miniscule compared to the amount that will pile back into pubs. In addition, the tracing scenario from a house party is very straight forward, chances are everyone knows each other anyway making it very easy to trace everyone present.

We have to depend on publicans keeping records of everyone present, something that's been fairly lacklustre (from my experience) in the "restaurant" sector that has re-opened.

Pub crawls will also be extremely prevalent, a perhaps unintended but entirely predictable consequence of limiting time in pubs. Apart from a few groups bending the rules I doubt there's many groups who have a massive desire to spend 10-15 euro on food in multiple venues but remove that aspect and it's nearly guaranteed. So one asymptomatic spreader could end up in five poorly ventilated sweatboxes where contact tracing details may or may not be taken (likely not).

The perpetually outraged will come out and say that it will be the final nail in the coffin of some pubs but the government and NPHET already know this. As others have said in the wider interest of public health it's unfortunately something that can't be avoided.

Restaurants aren't essential, anyone who needs food can get it cheaper in a supermarket. Thats the only thing that pisses me off. It should be all non essential places shut or all open.

Ficheall · 04-08-2020 05:14PM

thelad95 wrote: »

In addition, the tracing scenario from a house party is very straight forward, chances are everyone knows each other anyway making it very easy to trace everyone present.

Well, even in the event you had an unusually organised houseparty, how many of the asymptomatic youth do you suspect will have a clear record of all the people they've interacted with in the week before they're contacted?

Gael23 · 04-08-2020 05:15PM

NPHET has signed off on a death warrant for the rural economy

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 05:16PM

Gael23 wrote: »

NPHET has signed off on a death warrant for the rural economy

NPHET does nothing except recommend, the government makes decisions

froog · 04-08-2020 05:16PM

US2 wrote: »

Restaurants aren't essential, anyone who needs food can get it cheaper in a supermarket. Thats the only thing that pisses me off. It should be all non essential places shut or all open.

you think restaurants are the same risk as pubs?

Gael23 · 04-08-2020 05:18PM

Are they going to do the opposite of what NPHET say?

CalamariFritti · 04-08-2020 05:18PM

I think we will have to wake up to the fact that 'flatten the curve' and 'manageable' doesn't mean 5 cases a day, 6 in total in hospital, happily ever after. If we are going to freak out over 40 cases a day there's no way schools can reopen.

Which is not me saying that I think 40 a day is good or nothing. Just stating what I think the state of affairs is.

ShineOn7 · 04-08-2020 05:20PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I think it's about time people opened their eyes a little bit, all across Europe things are trending in the wrong direction and even away from the clusters in factories, we've been trending the wrong way for weeks.

Pubs are in no way necessary for the functioning in a society long term. For people who are alcohol dependent (an actual medical condition), alcohol is still readily available in any shop or supermarket. Everyone else can meet friends in parks, gardens or even in houses if necessary. People complain about house parties but the percentage of the population engaging in these is absolutely miniscule compared to the amount that will pile back into pubs. In addition, the tracing scenario from a house party is very straight forward, chances are everyone knows each other anyway making it very easy to trace everyone present.

We have to depend on publicans keeping records of everyone present, something that's been fairly lacklustre (from my experience) in the "restaurant" sector that has re-opened.

Pub crawls will also be extremely prevalent, a perhaps unintended but entirely predictable consequence of limiting time in pubs. Apart from a few groups bending the rules I doubt there's many groups who have a massive desire to spend 10-15 euro on food in multiple venues but remove that aspect and it's nearly guaranteed. So one asymptomatic spreader could end up in five poorly ventilated sweatboxes where contact tracing details may or may not be taken (likely not).

The perpetually outraged will come out and say that it will be the final nail in the coffin of some pubs but the government and NPHET already know this. As others have said in the wider interest of public health it's unfortunately something that can't be avoided.

Fantastic post

US2 · 04-08-2020 05:21PM

froog wrote: »

you think restaurants are the same risk as pubs?

Nope, and i didn't suggest that. I think they are as non essential as pubs .

ShineOn7 · 04-08-2020 05:21PM

Not sure if this was already posted, the site is a very messy read with all the bugs

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1290668995943833600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1290668995943833600%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newstalk.com%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus-pubs-set-stay-shut-new-nphet-advice-1055881

What Username Guidelines · 04-08-2020 05:21PM

US2 wrote: »

Restaurants aren't essential, anyone who needs food can get it cheaper in a supermarket. Thats the only thing that pisses me off. It should be all non essential places shut or all open.

It should be all high risk places shut and low risk open, no?

All non-essential shut will completely suffocate the economy, when we need to keep people in jobs and keep an opportunity for those in jobs to spend some money.

niallo27 · 04-08-2020 05:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

NPHET does nothing except recommend, the government makes decisions

This would be the case if our government had a backbone but we both know they are weak and we all know who is really running the country.

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 05:21PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I think we will have to wake up to the fact that 'flatten the curve' and 'manageable' doesn't mean 5 cases a day, 6 in total in hospital, happily ever after. If we are going to freak out over 40 cases a day there's no way schools can reopen.

Which is not me saying that I think 40 a day is good or nothing. Just stating what I think the state of affairs is.

You're bang on. Have to accept that this is the new normal.

What Username Guidelines · 04-08-2020 05:23PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I think it's about time people opened their eyes a little bit, all across Europe things are trending in the wrong direction and even away from the clusters in factories, we've been trending the wrong way for weeks.

Pubs are in no way necessary for the functioning in a society long term. For people who are alcohol dependent (an actual medical condition), alcohol is still readily available in any shop or supermarket. Everyone else can meet friends in parks, gardens or even in houses if necessary. People complain about house parties but the percentage of the population engaging in these is absolutely miniscule compared to the amount that will pile back into pubs. In addition, the tracing scenario from a house party is very straight forward, chances are everyone knows each other anyway making it very easy to trace everyone present.

We have to depend on publicans keeping records of everyone present, something that's been fairly lacklustre (from my experience) in the "restaurant" sector that has re-opened.

Pub crawls will also be extremely prevalent, a perhaps unintended but entirely predictable consequence of limiting time in pubs. Apart from a few groups bending the rules I doubt there's many groups who have a massive desire to spend 10-15 euro on food in multiple venues but remove that aspect and it's nearly guaranteed. So one asymptomatic spreader could end up in five poorly ventilated sweatboxes where contact tracing details may or may not be taken (likely not).

The perpetually outraged will come out and say that it will be the final nail in the coffin of some pubs but the government and NPHET already know this. As others have said in the wider interest of public health it's unfortunately something that can't be avoided.

Nail on head. It's incredibly unfortunate and can't even begin to imagine how hard for those that rely on pubs as their income and livelihood, but it's just not the time right now.

billybonkers · 04-08-2020 05:24PM

Pubs not opening next week

https://twitter.com/KevDoyle_Indo/status/1290680172790927373

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/phase-4-ireland-pubs-will-not-reopen-next-monday-in-major-blow-to-sector-39422371.html

froog · 04-08-2020 05:24PM

US2 wrote: »

Nope, and i didn't suggest that. I think they are as non essential as pubs .

why close something when the risk is manageable? that makes zero sense.

thelad95 · 04-08-2020 05:24PM

Gael23 wrote: »

NPHET has signed off on a death warrant for the rural economy

Absolute rubbish, since when was any rural economy centred around pubs? Petrol stations, supermarkets and farmers are far bigger wealth and employment creators in most rural towns, pubs may only employ a handful of locals, if anyone at all.

Arghus · 04-08-2020 05:25PM

US2 wrote: »

Nope, and i didn't suggest that. I think they are as non essential as pubs .

It's not really a question of what's more essential. It's a question is what is more likely environment for encouraging further spread of the disease.

Most retail stores aren't "essential" but they are safer, in theory, than pubs. That's why they are open and pubs are still shut.

billybonkers · 04-08-2020 05:25PM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/phase-4-ireland-pubs-will-not-reopen-next-monday-in-major-blow-to-sector-39422371.html

Phase 4 Ireland: Pubs will not reopen next Monday in major blow to sector

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 05:26PM

Outdoor gatherings being increased to 500. Great news.

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 05:27PM

Malta removed from green list

ShineOn7 · 04-08-2020 05:28PM

billybonkers wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/phase-4-ireland-pubs-will-not-reopen-next-monday-in-major-blow-to-sector-39422371.html

Reopening of some 3,500 pubs will now not go ahead on August 10
Number of people who can attend outdoor gatherings set to increase to 500 people
Attendees for indoor events will not increase
Malta to be removed from travel Green List

I thought Malta's numbers were good?

mdol · 04-08-2020 05:29PM

As if it matters. Most of them are open and breaking the rules in my town and the guards don't seem to give a fiddlers. Anything like the amount of drunken layabouts falling around the place yesterday was a disgrace. The places that don't serve food are stocking up on cheap pizzas from takeaways on the same street and passing them off as their own.

Really is pathetic how half the country can't seem to function without drink.

ACitizenErased · 04-08-2020 05:30PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Is there any talk of increased controls at borders? They really need to stop dragging their heels on that.

Travel cases have reduced last 2 weeks so no real reason for them to enforce it until they see a reason to

Ficheall · 04-08-2020 05:30PM

Hairdressers also nonessential. As are weddings. Just to see Zara explode.

And I don't buy all this "Kids will be gutted if they have to have another month of school holidays" lark. Fair enough if they want to admit it's hard on the parents, or the teachers who put extra work into remote teaching, but come on...

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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