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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #5252
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    I would be the first to advocate that schools should be a safe place and social distancing measures should be implemented. Children and teenagers have been mixing and meeting up with their friends all summer long. They really have been. I don't want to hear any sh1te come September. Send them back to school.


  • #5253
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Update on hospitalisations

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0804/1157226-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/
    There are now 13 people with Covid-19 being treated in hospital in Ireland.

    Five of these patients are in intensive care, three of whom are on ventilators.
    At this point, a further 95 people who are suspected of having the coronavirus were also in hospitals around the country.

    looks like a big rise in hospital admissions may happen quite soon.


  • #5254
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I would be the first to advocate that schools should be a safe place and social distancing measures should be implemented. Children and teenagers have been mixing and meeting up with their friends all summer long. They really have been. I don't want to hear any sh1te come September. Send them back to school.

    They were doing that all last summer too.

    Their risk of contracting Covid 19 was only marginally higher this summer given it was pretty much eradicated in the community.

    We should know mid November either way.


  • #5255
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    It wouldn't be very fair on the teachers and students who are there if they go back in a few months and are away behind the rest of the class, keeping kids back a year should be an option, as it is I think if a child misses more than 20 school days you will find yourself in trouble, maybe social workers etc.

    If a child stays home because they or someone in their family has a serious risk from Covid, the parents or one parent should be well able to keep them up to the same standard as school. Follow the textbooks. It also does not require endless hours - in school settings they are part of a big gang and learning plods along to suit the numbers. One on one teaching takes way less time. Just keep them up at the same pages as their school mates in maths books, reading books, Irish lessons etc and if necessary get work pages from the teachers that they are giving out. Digital sharing by teachers is completely feasible - just take a photo of the page and whatsapp parent who prints out at home. It will probably only be a few kids who need that but there is absolutely no reason for them to be held back a year. I homeschooled for almost 15 years just so you don't think I am talking out my barney.


  • #5256
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    MD1990 wrote: »
    looks like a big rise in hospital admissions may happen quite soon.

    It’s like that every day. Everyone in a hospital is suspected and tested. Means nothing.


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  • #5257
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,170 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Boards is painful last few days, going back 2 days any time i refresh a page. At this rate I may have to watch rte for latest info this evening :pac:


  • #5258
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Latest testing data is out
    Average time from swab to result is now less than a day. Community referrals are incredibly low once again, no spike seen in test requests in the slightest.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-4-august-2020.pdf


  • #5259
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    MD1990 wrote: »
    looks like a big rise in hospital admissions may happen quite soon.

    Nope (or not based on that data anyway). The 95 "suspected" cases just means 95 people who've had a Covid-19 test in hospital, and are awaiting the results. This number has been around the 100 to 200 mark for weeks and weeks, and does not indicate a coming surge. All the daily reports are available here: https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/ so take a look for yourself.


  • #5260
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,545 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Five cases of Covid-19 confirmed at food processing factory in Co Offaly https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/five-cases-of-covid-19-confirmed-at-food-processing-factory-in-co-offaly-1.4320240


  • #5261
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    What is going on with boards at the moment I try click on the last page of the thread and it jumps back two pages its a pain in the hole at the moment

    Shin


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  • #5262
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    shinzon wrote: »
    What is going on with boards at the moment I try click on the last page of the thread and it jumps back two pages its a pain in the hole at the moment

    Shin

    Its incredibly annoying


  • #5263
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    shinzon wrote: »
    What is going on with boards at the moment I try click on the last page of the thread and it jumps back two pages its a pain in the hole at the moment

    Shin

    I would be happy if it was only two pages, if I see 'what's an alc?' once more


  • #5264
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Latest testing data is out
    Average time from swab to result is now less than a day. Community referrals are incredibly low once again, no spike seen in test requests in the slightest.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-4-august-2020.pdf

    Community referrals always fall off a cliff at the weekend.

    Given we just came off the back of a bank holiday, there may be a spike in the next day or 2.


  • #5265
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Boggles wrote: »
    Community referrals always fall off a cliff at the weekend.

    Given we just came off the back of a bank holiday, there may be a spike in the next day or 2.

    Last week had less than 2500 a day which is among the lowest since March


  • #5266
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Last week had less than 2500 a day which is among the lowest since March

    It was lower in mid June.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-16-june-2020.pdf

    Then we started to proactively test care homes, etc.

    Which was the reason for the huge rise in community referrals.

    This ended about 12-13 days ago.


  • #5267
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Latest testing data is out
    Average time from swab to result is now less than a day. Community referrals are incredibly low once again, no spike seen in test requests in the slightest.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-4-august-2020.pdf

    That doctor on twitter last week is proven to be a liar so when he said he was seeing march levels of people with symptoms looking for a test.


  • #5268
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    US2 wrote: »
    That doctor on twitter last week is proven to be a liar so when he said he was seeing march levels of people with symptoms looking for a test.

    can someone relink to him - he should be called out on this.


  • #5269
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,005 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Why are governments not taking on board Professor Sunetra Gupta's analysis? She wouldn't say what she has said without good reason for doing so.


  • #5270
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What is alc?

    What is alc?


  • #5271
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    US2 wrote: »
    That doctor on twitter last week is proven to be a liar so when he said he was seeing march levels of people with symptoms looking for a test.

    GPs via GPBuddy are reporting very little difference in people presenting


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  • #5272
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    What is alc?

    It's nice.


  • #5273
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,005 ✭✭✭political analyst


    An article from last month.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40013828.html
    A 17-year-old boy, who became the first juvenile charged with breaking the Covid-19 movement restrictions, is preparing to mount a challenge to the constitutionality of the law.

    The teen was allegedly “travelling nationwide” and putting the public at risk.

    He was charged in May with three counts of breaching the Health (Preservation and Protection and other Emergency Measures in the Public Interest) Act, 2020.

    The emergency law, which can carry a six-month sentence, was introduced as a measure aimed at preventing the spread of the pandemic.

    Members of his family have been infected with the coronavirus, the Dublin Children’s Court was told.

    The breaches are alleged to have occurred in Clondalkin and Blanchardstown in Dublin, on April 28 and three days earlier, and in Co Limerick on April 27.


  • #5274
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    13 out of the 23 cases reported in Scotland today have been linked to pubs in Aberdeen.


  • #5275
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I'll be fair surprised if NPHET recommended reopening pubs here.

    This is a big test for the FF/FG/Green cabinet.

    Go against the advice and reopen them, or heed the advice and keep them closed.

    Or a mixture of both.


  • #5276
    snowgal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭snowgal


    itll be a tough choice for them but I think they might reopen with some stiff restrictions in place. Its kinda been suggested since last week anyway I think???


  • #5277
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,242 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I think the whole re-opening of pubs is like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    Let them open and the virus can spread. Leave them closed and it's a loss of tax and some pubs will be forced to permanently close. A further loss of tax. A further loss of jobs.


  • #5278
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    2.5% seroprevalance in Italy from an antibody survey with 64,000 people.

    https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1290632180897665026?s=20

    Key points:
    Age specific IFR:
    0-17: 0.002%
    18-34: 0.02%
    35-49: 0.11%
    50-59: 0.40%
    60-69: 1.74%
    >70: 8.30%

    BUT - Population-wide IFR - 1.7%!

    Lombardy at 7.5%, other lesser-hit regions are dragging it down to 2.5 overall

    Overall, little variation in occupation with the exception of Healthcare workers, but little difference between those effected by lockdown and those not.

    Asymptomatic was at 27%

    Attempted sample size was 150,000, but many did not respond for fear of being quarantined - so likely they did have some symptoms, bringing the seroprevalence down in the final results.

    Survey was taken from mid-May to end of July


  • #5279
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    I think the whole re-opening of pubs is like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    Let them open and the virus can spread. Leave them closed and it's a loss of tax and some pubs will be forced to permanently close. A further loss of tax. A further loss of jobs.

    Absolutely

    I think they might do a fudge of saying pubs not to reopen Monday but it will be re-examined next Tuesday when we will have figures from cases with hopefully the major clusters having worked their way through the system


  • #5280
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Absolutely

    I think they might do a fudge of saying pubs not to reopen Monday but it will be re-examined next Tuesday when we will have figures from cases with hopefully the major clusters having worked their way through the system

    NPHET are basing their decisions on pubs largely by what the experience of other countries are having.

    Scotland just reported half their daily cases today for the entire country came from a couple of pubs.

    Donnelly reaffirmed this at the weekend.
    I asked exactly this question to the public health officials and what they said was, the international experience shows that when the pubs reopen the number of new cases goes up. What they found was that this doesn’t seem to be the case with restaurants, for example, which is why they advised that restaurants could open all these with the restrictions in place.

    How this changes after schools open, I have no idea.

    It's pure politics at this stage and that's where it gets very dangerous.


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  • #5281
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    If it were up to NPHET the pubs would never reopen from a public health point of view

    It's absolutely pure politics as the government cannot keep pubs closed permanently yet they of course are afraid of a spike in cases

    Too many jobs and too much tax revenue at stake to keep pushing the reopening out further and further

    At some stage they will need to bite the bullet and allow the pubs open


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