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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #5192
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Hey, Trump how is it going? Increased since two months ago, one month ago?

    Because claiming daily positive cases of 60 k plus, and a rapidly increasing death rates is due to increased testing is the same thing as maintaining a low, but slightly increased number of cases, with very stable hospital figures is down to excellent tracing catching a lot of cases that were previously being missed.


  • #5193
    [Deleted User]
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    coastwatch wrote: »
    The recent big outbreak was in a dog food plant, so if the like were closed for a while, "precious pouches" would have to make do with dried food, until any covid risks in these plants were fixed.
    There seems to be far fewer oubreaks reported from meat plants recently (human consumption), so I'm assuming these companies have got the nessage and have implemented measures to prevent covid spread.

    Discussion was about closing meat plants.


  • #5194
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    We are heading towards Autumn and Winter and all that brings to hospitals around the country. I truly hope that HSE is on high alert/planning for all eventualities now.

    Forward planning is the key, but they fell down every year with dozens and more on trolleys even without Covid.


    I'm thinking/hoping that the mask wearing will surely help in the prevention of the spread of the winter flu. I got the "real flu" once in my life, in December 2001. I was working in an office of 60 people. Almost all of us got it. It was horrendous. Unthinkable then, but if masks were worn, this probably wouldn't have spread the way it did.

    We're doing something now that we never did before.


  • #5195
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,414 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    maebee wrote: »
    I'm thinking/hoping that the mask wearing will surely help in the prevention of the spread of the winter flu. I got the "real flu" once in my life, in December 2001. I was working in an office of 60 people. Almost all of us got it. It was horrendous. Unthinkable then, but if masks were worn, this probably wouldn't have spread the way it did.

    We're doing something now that we never did before.


    I have to say since March I have had no flu, cold, cough or any easily transmitted illness, only been wearing a mask in retail outlets and travel since it became mandatory. I would previously had a good cold/flu once or twice a year, I suppose the danger with this level of non exposure is the body might struggle if it's only exposed to it every 2 or 3 years.


  • #5196
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    I find Professor Nolan Is very good at saying it as it is
    https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1290403171865681920?s=21

    The combined total of 'community' and possible community' for the past week looks not far off 50%.

    Not sure why Philip Nolan is still posting the bars from March/April.

    And why haven't the 'possible community' cases been resolved to their actual source, months afterwards?



    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1290403171865681920


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  • #5197
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    New studies suggesting younger children can spread virus more efficiently than adults.. not good:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/07/31/new-evidence-suggests-young-children-spread-covid-19-more-efficiently-than-adults/#4b6f908919fd

    According to the results of the Chicago study ' children 5 years and younger who develop mild to moderate Covid-19 symptoms have 10 to 100 times as much SARS-CoV-2 in the nasopharynx as older children and adults.


  • #5198
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Phillip must’ve seen the ridicule I got and wanted to back me up :D

    Nah serious tho,

    I truly believe that you may think you know more than Professor Philip Nolan.

    Or perhaps you are are attention-seeking and playing to whomever you hope is the audience.

    Alas, the plumber has been threadbanned and steve, I believe, has 'gone to the pub'.

    At any rate, I don't ses that your post added anything to the discussion (apart from a bit of cliquey monkey-grooming).


  • #5199
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,457 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    I truly believe that you may think you know more than Professor Philip Nolan.

    Or perhaps you are are attention-seeking and playing to whomever you hope is the audience.

    Alas, the plumber has been threadbanned and steve, I believe, has 'gone to the pub'.

    At any rate, I don't ses that your post added anything to the discussion (apart from a bit of cliquey monkey-grooming).


    And what does your post add to the discussion exactly?


  • #5200
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    I see the Sun/Scum are running with the headline tonight that hospital cases has tripled in the last 24 hours

    When one opens the article it says 12 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in hospitals, compared with four the previous day.

    It wasn't 4 yesterday, a little bit of research goes a long way.


  • #5201
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    And why haven't the 'possible community' cases been resolved to their actual source, months afterwards?

    Maybe they can't say for sure. It doesn't really matter anyway, looks to be just a few cases under the "possible" category.


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  • #5202
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,472 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    I truly believe that you may think you know more than Professor Philip Nolan.

    Or perhaps you are are attention-seeking and playing to whomever you hope is the audience.

    Alas, the plumber has been threadbanned and steve, I believe, has 'gone to the pub'.

    At any rate, I don't ses that your post added anything to the discussion (apart from a bit of cliquey monkey-grooming).




    Mod

    Right, this has being going on all weekend and it stops now. Let me preface this by saying DevilsHaircut this is not aimed exclusively at you however I am holding your post up as an example

    If you dont like, or dont agree with, the content or tone of someone's post you can challenge it in a constructive, and frankly less personal, way. Someone makes a claim or posts figures and a clique of users are digging through old posts and trying to trap them in a lie (or some other form of inconsistency) or they're getting personal or bitchy.

    Others report every post made by the opposing clique (my God there have been SO MANY reported posts from this thread over the weekend and with the site not functioning correctly it's been an absolute pain to get through them all)

    I am not singling anyone out, you all know who you are, and this is going on across both sides of the debate all weekend


    Stop personal digs or pile ons now. Post constructively or dont post anything

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



  • #5203
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,174 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    ↑↑↑

    Let me hear an Amen


  • #5204
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "DevilsHaircut wrote: »

    And why haven't the 'possible community' cases been resolved to their actual source, months afterwards?



    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1290403171865681920

    Because there is no value in continuing to trace historic cases, when the are active cases to trace


  • #5205
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    New studies suggesting younger children can spread virus more efficiently than adults.. not good:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/07/31/new-evidence-suggests-young-children-spread-covid-19-more-efficiently-than-adults/#4b6f908919fd

    According to the results of the Chicago study ' children 5 years and younger who develop mild to moderate Covid-19 symptoms have 10 to 100 times as much SARS-CoV-2 in the nasopharynx as older children and adults.

    It was an absolute pack of sh1t what we were fed since the beginning that children don't get this, they don't get it as bad, they can't spread it. We've been hearing it since the virus emerged. How did the experts know this with such a new virus. It's good to have a report now about this. There will be plenty of people to stick their heads in the sand about this though.


  • #5206
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    New studies suggesting younger children can spread virus more efficiently than adults.. not good:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/07/31/new-evidence-suggests-young-children-spread-covid-19-more-efficiently-than-adults/#4b6f908919fd

    According to the results of the Chicago study ' children 5 years and younger who develop mild to moderate Covid-19 symptoms have 10 to 100 times as much SARS-CoV-2 in the nasopharynx as older children and adults.

    First study identified under 5’s as being more infectious, and over 5’s as being the same as adults, the second study found children under 14 to be more infectious, even though it doesn’t seem to break out under and over 5’s, so if it contradicts the first study, or is just being confounded by the under 5’s data is unclear. What it does state however, is that they are less likely to catch the virus in the first place, so any conclusion in the article on the role of children in increased transmission overall does not appeared to be supported by the referenced papers


  • #5207
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    owlbethere wrote: »
    It was an absolute pack of sh1t what we were fed since the beginning that children don't get this, they don't get it as bad, they can't spread it. We've been hearing it since the virus emerged. How did the experts know this with such a new virus. It's good to have a report now about this. There will be plenty of people to stick their heads in the sand about this though.

    We know children don't get it as bad - that is proven in every country in the world at this stage. Whether they spread it is much more difficult to prove one way or the other.


  • #5208
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    First study identified under 5’s as being more infectious, and over 5’s as being the same as adults, the second study found children under 14 to be more infectious, even though it doesn’t seem to break out under and over 5’s, so if it contradicts the first study, or is just being confounded by the under 5’s data is unclear. What it does state however, is that they are less likely to catch the virus in the first place, so any conclusion in the article on the role of children in increased transmission overall does not appeared to be supported by the referenced papers

    I think the point of studies is there is no reason why they can't significantly spread disease if amount of nucleic viral load found in children is equal or greater to adults, with correlation between this and ability to spread the virus. One of studies also mentioned that children were over 20 percent more infections to children and adults than adults were.

    Of course we need more data to prove how prevalent
    virus is with children, which is next part of the puzzle. But we are already hearing reports of massive outbreaks in children at summer camps in US. See here


    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.html

    More data is needed of course, but it's concerning none the less.


  • #5209
    Deisekickboxing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Deisekickboxing


    2nd surge in Auz our new surge is only 2 weeks behind them ,schools having to close we need to nip this in n the bud..
    https://www.9news.com.au/national/two-sydney-schools-closed-after-students-test-positive-for-coronavirus-nsw/a903c328-ac35-46a9-be7f-889bffbb6028


  • #5210
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,459 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    Alas, the plumber has been threadbanned and steve, I believe, has 'gone to the pub.

    And this is why I'm only dipping in and out now of this thread but not bothering posting anymore.

    Glad to see I'm on your mind, yup I went to the pub over the weekend and your point is ? More ranting no discussion.

    This thread since last week has been far too personal.

    Good luck.

    Edit: After seeing the mod post replying to quoted poster


  • #5211
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    owlbethere wrote: »
    It was an absolute pack of sh1t what we were fed since the beginning that children don't get this, they don't get it as bad, they can't spread it. We've been hearing it since the virus emerged. How did the experts know this with such a new virus. It's good to have a report now about this. There will be plenty of people to stick their heads in the sand about this though.

    That and masks are not that effective has really been annoying and it wasn't acknowledged that the virus was airborne until recently which is really bizarre. Their was clear evidence early that it was.Distancing indoors probably does not help much especially without masks. The mis-messaging seems to be just used for convenience


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  • #5212
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Since thread 1 there have been various pogroms, subtle and overt, of people others don't agree with. Many quietly stopped posting. Others limped along being vaguely ridiculed. People who thanked the ridicule of others found themselves on the sharp end of sticks and vice versa . And so it repeats in cycles over these threads Pastor Niemollers words in 1945 come to mind, first they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist...etc


  • #5213
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Deisekickboxing wrote: »
    2nd surge in Auz our new surge is only 2 weeks behind them ,schools having to close we need to nip this in n the bud..
    https://www.9news.com.au/national/two-sydney-schools-closed-after-students-test-positive-for-coronavirus-nsw/a903c328-ac35-46a9-be7f-889bffbb6028

    Breaking the window of a car and dragging out driver coz they wouldn’t tell the cops where they were going. No messing there.


  • #5214
    The Unbearables
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    New studies suggesting younger children can spread virus more efficiently than adults.. not good:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/07/31/new-evidence-suggests-young-children-spread-covid-19-more-efficiently-than-adults/#4b6f908919fd

    According to the results of the Chicago study ' children 5 years and younger who develop mild to moderate Covid-19 symptoms have 10 to 100 times as much SARS-CoV-2 in the nasopharynx as older children and adults.

    That is not good news.


  • #5215
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,733 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    maebee wrote: »
    I'm thinking/hoping that the mask wearing will surely help in the prevention of the spread of the winter flu. I got the "real flu" once in my life, in December 2001. I was working in an office of 60 people. Almost all of us got it. It was horrendous. Unthinkable then, but if masks were worn, this probably wouldn't have spread the way it did.

    We're doing something now that we never did before.

    It definitely will help. I haven't had so much as a sniffle since February and I am constantly getting head colds.


  • #5216
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    The Unbearables wrote: »
    That is not good news.

    Tbh it’s probably the most flipping and flopping research I’ve read on this whole thing. Every day there seems to be conflicting studies on children and how they spread it.


  • #5217
    [Deleted User]
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    Turns out this is untrue.


    One of our carers just got a notification on their phone that Flannerys hotel in Galway has been closed as a resident has tested positive.


  • #5218
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Tbh it’s probably the most flipping and flopping research I’ve read on this whole thing. Every day there seems to be conflicting studies on children and how they spread it.

    There's a very recent study done in Helsinki, Finland regarding two school closures. In one of the schools, the "index patient" was an adult, and that person infected several others. In the other, it was a pupil, and no-one else was infected.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.20.20156018v1

    But they seem to be making the conclusion that if a child is infected, the child doesn't infect others, but adults working in schools can infect children. I'd be wary of a definite conclusion like that from just two examples.


  • #5219
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    I find Professor Nolan Is very good at saying it as it is and just like ACE has being saying today and on previous days it’s the clusters not community transmission that’s causing the increase and top notch stuff by the PHT

    No one claimed as far as I am aware the clusters weren't the bulk of new cases.

    It was Doctor Glynn who said he was concerned about the rise in community transmission, this was further echoed by Donnelly at the weekend.


  • #5220
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,049 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    One of our carers just got a notification on their phone that Flannerys hotel in Galway has been closed as a resident has tested positive.

    According to their Facebook page it is not true.

    https://www.facebook.com/flanneryshotel/

    "Contrary to recent fake news,
    Flannery’s Hotel Galway is OPEN,
    has been OPEN and will remain OPEN!
    There has been NO outbreak of Covid-19
    and all our hardworking staff are safe."


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  • #5221
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    One of our carers just got a notification on their phone that Flannerys hotel in Galway has been closed as a resident has tested positive.

    Am hearing a whatsapp message was going around Galway yesterday stating there was an outbreak in the hotel, however when the local residents committee approached the hotel management they were told it was not true. I will be driving by the hotel at lunch time, and can see is there any activity.


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