Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

thelad95 · 02-08-2020 09:33PM

My friend works in a very well known pub in Kilkenny City that are serving a certain meal rather cleverly priced say in or around the 9 Euro mark.

A lot of people (moreso females than males) are ordering this meal with absolutely no intention whatsoever of eating it. Waiting staff give it a while and do the whole "are you finished eating" routine. There's a receipt proving the purchase of food should the powers that be darken the door. The meal is just becoming a cover charge in some people's eyes.

There's no great appetite by anyone to re-open nightclubs but I have no idea why pubs that can operate in the same parameters as restaurants less the ridiculous scenario above of the anti-viral chicken wings can't re-open. The whole policy is becoming a Waterford Whispers News story playing out in front of our eyes.

Wild Field 1831 · 02-08-2020 09:39PM

There's a fairly big fortnight ahead.

Cases will either stabilise or we could be heading for a mini lockdown, in my opinion. We will get on top of it, like we did from March to June. It won't be the end of the world.

But you couldn't say with any confidence that we'll stabilise figures over the next fortnight. To say otherwise is simply untrue. You can see trends around the world and in other European countries especially.

Plumbthedepths · 02-08-2020 09:39PM

thelad95 wrote: »

My friend works in a very well known pub in Kilkenny City that are serving a certain meal rather cleverly priced say in or around the 9 Euro mark.

A lot of people (moreso females than males) are ordering this meal with absolutely no intention whatsoever of eating it. Waiting staff give it a while and do the whole "are you finished eating" routine. There's a receipt proving the purchase of food should the powers that be darken the door. The meal is just becoming a cover charge in some people's eyes.

There's no great appetite by anyone to re-open nightclubs but I have no idea why pubs that can operate in the same parameters as restaurants less the ridiculous scenario above of the anti-viral chicken wings can't re-open. The whole policy is becoming a Waterford Whispers News story playing out in front of our eyes.

Keeping rural pubs closed makes no sense. It's not as if they were heaving with customers before Covid.

quokula · 02-08-2020 09:45PM

thelad95 wrote: »

My friend works in a very well known pub in Kilkenny City that are serving a certain meal rather cleverly priced say in or around the 9 Euro mark.

A lot of people (moreso females than males) are ordering this meal with absolutely no intention whatsoever of eating it. Waiting staff give it a while and do the whole "are you finished eating" routine. There's a receipt proving the purchase of food should the powers that be darken the door. The meal is just becoming a cover charge in some people's eyes.

There's no great appetite by anyone to re-open nightclubs but I have no idea why pubs that can operate in the same parameters as restaurants less the ridiculous scenario above of the anti-viral chicken wings can't re-open. The whole policy is becoming a Waterford Whispers News story playing out in front of our eyes.

At a high level, there are more than twice as many pubs in the country as restaurants. Restaurants have fewer people in them at any one time. People in restaurants don't mingle. People in restaurants don't generally get drunk and sing and hug strangers and all the rest.

Pubs are significantly more dangerous than restaurants for all the above reasons. They have compromised by allowing pubs that exhibit all the behaviours of a restaurant to open. Pubs that don't sell food are almost certainly going to fail to exhibit those behaviours, and there will be far too many of them to even begin to try and police that. So yes, there are loopholes in the current system. And yes, some people will exploit them. But that's not a reason to scrap the whole system. Even if 10% of pubs / customers exploit these loopholes, that's still 90% fewer opportunities for the virus to spread than if they just opened all the pubs.

You can do 160km/h on a motorway in between speed cameras, and you will get away with it and you probably won't crash. But that doesn't mean we should be scrapping speed limits and telling everyone to do that speed all the time.

pc7 · 02-08-2020 09:45PM

It’s tough see clusters and numbers rise, making me nervous personally. We are away this wend and I’ve enjoyed it and felt safe and avoiding crowds. but we are due away next wend and I’m just going to cancel the way things are looking. Just my personal preference.
I can’t see how they can open the pubs when they didn’t when numbers were lower.
Hopefully they shut these clusters down, track as many as possible and we get back to the 20 and below days. The schools need to open, it has to be the priority and while pubs might not spread it we just need to realize we can’t go back to ‘normal’ yet.

tom1ie · 02-08-2020 09:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Name one time I've launched a personal attack on a poster here. Name one.

Me

Santy2015 · 02-08-2020 09:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The contact tracing app just passed 1.5 million registrations

Before tomorrow as well. I said it on Friday.. 2 million in the next couple of weeks all going well

ShineOn7 · 02-08-2020 09:54PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Keeping rural pubs closed makes no sense. It's not as if they were heaving with customers before Covid.

Thing is though, you can't have one rule for tiny rural pubs and another for popular Dublin ones. The Vinter's Federation of Ireland would have a feckin' field day

I expect them to be tapping into all their FF buddies this week because they know there's now a very slim chance of re-opening on the 10th

As an aside, from looking online, there's reports of rural pubs opening anyway to regulars only and behind closed doors. Kinda like how some used to/still do on Christmas Day

MD1990 · 02-08-2020 09:56PM

People are too concerned about death rates.

More evidence than many people will have long term heart problems even in mild cases.
This virus can do anything. In time it may become clear that people who fully 100% recover are rare.
This isn't fear mongering just listening to people who are studying evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAO60IU8dxQ

wadacrack · 02-08-2020 09:59PM

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

There's a fairly big fortnight ahead.

Cases will either stabilise or we could be heading for a mini lockdown, in my opinion. We will get on top of it, like we did from March to June. It won't be the end of the world.

But you couldn't say with any confidence that we'll stabilise figures over the next fortnight. To say otherwise is simply untrue. You can see trends around the world and in other European countries especially.

At this rate we need some of the theories about T Cell immunity and/or some sort of cross immunity in the population to be somewhat accurate. The one hope is that any region/country has not as of yet seen a second spike as bad as the first one. However logic would say that their are still many people susceptibale and the virus unlikely to simmer at the current given our increasing clusters and community transmission. I think we are likely to see more clusters and higher numbers however. Maybe about 80-100 daily cases in 3 to 4 weeks. Prepare for the worst hope for the best at this stage. People have become desensitized now by the virus , especially younger people who I have spoken too.

GooglePlus · 02-08-2020 10:02PM

Not what a certain head in the clouds/sand poster wants to hear but it looks like 100+ cases a day is closer than I had originally thought.

Hopefully we can keep on top of things.

ACitizenErased · 02-08-2020 10:04PM

In good news 21 counties had 0 cases today

FintanMcluskey · 02-08-2020 10:07PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Not what a certain head in the clouds/sand poster wants to hear but it looks like 100+ cases a day is closer than I had originally thought.

Hopefully we can keep on top of things.

Quite possible, now if the hospitalisation rate remains constant/manageable at the case level it will actually be positive news as it means we have learned how to treat Covid more efficiently

Quantum Erasure · 02-08-2020 10:09PM

I reckon we'll hit 100+ on Wednesday, then under for the rest of the week, hopefully

GooglePlus · 02-08-2020 10:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

In good news 21 counties had 0 cases today

That's not good news, that's no news. That's like shedding light on Ireland's 0 case figure in January when China was seeing cases.

Countrywide cases will come about later, we're at an early stage of a new spread.

Spanish Eyes · 02-08-2020 10:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I've had more personal attacks against me in the past 24 hours on here than I have had in my whole life. Christ.

Don't take it personally Citizen. There is a lot of fear and bravado out there in more or less equal measure. I for one value your posts.

ACitizenErased · 02-08-2020 10:11PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That's not good news, that's no news. That's like shedding light on Ireland's 0 case figure in January when China was seeing cases.

Countrywide cases will come about later, we're at an early stage of a new spread.

You know that spread requires unmitigated nationwide community transmission? We're not seeing that right now. If we do, then it's spread.

JP Liz V1 · 02-08-2020 10:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The contact tracing app just passed 1.5 million registrations

The tracing is working fast which is good as clusters are identified quick and hopefully are quarantining self isolating alone then

thelad95 · 02-08-2020 10:15PM

quokula wrote: »

At a high level, there are more than twice as many pubs in the country as restaurants. Restaurants have fewer people in them at any one time. People in restaurants don't mingle. People in restaurants don't generally get drunk and sing and hug strangers and all the rest.

Pubs are significantly more dangerous than restaurants for all the above reasons. They have compromised by allowing pubs that exhibit all the behaviours of a restaurant to open. Pubs that don't sell food are almost certainly going to fail to exhibit those behaviours, and there will be far too many of them to even begin to try and police that. So yes, there are loopholes in the current system. And yes, some people will exploit them. But that's not a reason to scrap the whole system. Even if 10% of pubs / customers exploit these loopholes, that's still 90% fewer opportunities for the virus to spread than if they just opened all the pubs.

You can do 160km/h on a motorway in between speed cameras, and you will get away with it and you probably won't crash. But that doesn't mean we should be scrapping speed limits and telling everyone to do that speed all the time.

What you're describing is what a pub used to be, nearly everyone excepts that the pubs we're going to experience for the next while will be a rather more sterile bland experience than before.

The mingling aspect won't occur if it's a controlled environment the same way restaurants are now (table bookings, time limits, table service) etc. I'm just feeling for the thousands of publicans who had prepared in line with these measures weeks ago, only to have the rug pulled from under them at the last second. These are the very same publicans don't forget who could have been open on St. Patrick's Day only for them to voluntarily inform the government of how delusional they were that people could socially distance in an ordinary pub environment.

Just open the bloody things with the same measures as restaurants and gastro pubs. As some have said, I don't think a single case or cluster has been linked to restaurants re-opening. Maybe that's just the famous anti-viral chicken wings.

GooglePlus · 02-08-2020 10:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You know that spread requires unmitigated nationwide community transmission? We're not seeing that right now. If we do, then it's spread.

Spread doesn't require unmitigated nationwide community transmission, it only requires one actor from a localised outbreak to avail of the infrastructural connectivity our entire country has to offer.

What we're seeing now is only half the picture, we know how this plays out and how many people may be infected that unknowingly have it and that think they have had no contact with a cluster case.

This is the beginning of what has happened before and what it happening everywhere else, we're not special.

You'd refuse water if you were in fire.

ACitizenErased · 02-08-2020 10:19PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Spread doesn't require unmitigated nationwide community transmission, it only requires one actor from a localised outbreak to avail of the infrastructural connectivity our entire country has to offer.

What we're seeing now is only half the picture, we know how this plays out and how many people may be infected that unknowingly have it and that think they have had no contact with a cluster case.

This is the beginning of what has happened before and what it happening everywhere else, we're not special.

You'd refuse water if you were in fire.

We went into lockdown in March because of unmitigated community transmission, if you disagree then we'll agree to disagree.

Rob A. Bank · 02-08-2020 10:20PM

Dr Glynn said today "The source of transmission for over 90% of cases reported today has been identified."

That is very impressive contact tracing and in the range of South Korean 8% rate of community transmission.

It's the rate of community (not a clue where it came from) transmission which will determine if the virus can be controlled here.

Myramar · 02-08-2020 10:21PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The tracing is working fast which is good as clusters are identified quick and hopefully are quarantining self isolating alone then

Apparently more than half the people they identify and advise to test and quarantine are giving them the finger. As I posted earlier. This same holds true for the App. It only exists for one purpose - To identify close contacts. If they subsequently ignore it when it flags them them it makes no sense having it on their phones at all.

Santy2015 · 02-08-2020 10:21PM

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-to-escape-a-second-wave-of-covid-19-says-nobel-prize-winning-scientist-39416411.html

LiquidZeb · 02-08-2020 10:22PM

People don't seem to realize that the purpose of the app, track and trace facilities and masks and other apparatus are to ensure we won't go into lockdown again. From this point onward I don't think there'll be a nationwide lockdown in Ireland or anywhere else barring an absolute cataclysm.

GooglePlus · 02-08-2020 10:23PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We went into lockdown in March because of unmitigated community transmission, if you disagree then we'll agree to disagree.

I never mentioned lockdown, we were talking about what would be required for spread.

You're a deflective spoofer.

ACitizenErased · 02-08-2020 10:23PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I never mentioned lockdown, we were talking about what would be required for spread.

You're a deflective spoofer.

You expect confined clusters with public health teams in charge to spread? I'm the spoofer? Okay, good evening.

GooglePlus · 02-08-2020 10:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You expect confined clusters with public health teams in charge to spread? I'm the spoofer? Okay, good evening.

Oh I definitely expect them to spread or do our public health teams know something that others don't?

hmmm · 02-08-2020 10:25PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-to-escape-a-second-wave-of-covid-19-says-nobel-prize-winning-scientist-39416411.html

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Nobel-laureate-Israel-will-have-no-more-than-ten-coronavirus-deaths-621407

LiquidZeb · 02-08-2020 10:27PM

hmmm wrote: »

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Nobel-laureate-Israel-will-have-no-more-than-ten-coronavirus-deaths-621407

Well that prediction aged like fine milk.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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