Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

Wild Field 1831 · 02-08-2020 07:16PM

You don't seem to appreciate how a massive cluster can cause problems well down the road. You think every contact will be traced.

And your post was passive aggressive.. 'it doesn't take much to see' blah blah.

Because you are on here every day peddling your blinkered view point means nothing. Like me you haven't a clue what's going to happen.

However there's a certain type of arrogance that many have here. They think they actually know. They don't, there are too many random factors at play.

Boggles · 02-08-2020 07:16PM

road_high wrote: »

So house parties continue instead? With absolutely no measures or social distancing in place

Opening the pubs won't eradicate house parties.

If anything it may encourage more especially if there is a time limit imposed.

19 cases now linked to a pub in Staffordshire.

Nineteen people have tested positive for Covid-19 after an outbreak linked to a Staffordshire pub

One individual who tested positive from the pub then attended a private social gathering, further spreading the virus

Open the family owned pubs, just let the locals back in.

VinLieger · 02-08-2020 07:17PM

manofwisdom wrote: »

If pubs are to reopen on August 10th it will be under strict guidelines. The days of packed pubs won't be seen for a while yet.

Indeed and the gardai need to be strictly enforcing the rules.

We also need to introduce masks as being mandatory in all indoor locations and fines for people not self isolating if they have symptoms as well as for those attending large gatherings and house parties.

If we want things to be open we have to give a little bit

Wild Field 1831 · 02-08-2020 07:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Our 7 day average doubled in 1 day because of 1 cluster.

Hi ACE.

Yourself and Stephen are the main 'everything is under control' merchants on here. And at times have been very condescending and ratty with those who differ with you.

You are very knowledgeable but lack balance in your posts.

You said you lost your job to Covid a month ago. Now you work part time and are in college? I wouldn't mind being in my early 20s again but that fact puts your posts in a different light.

This is ageist. But when seeking a medical opinion I generally find an older GP has seen a lot more than a young one. If an animal has an unusual problem it's more likely an older vet will find a cure.

I don't think you have enough life experience to take your pronouncements on whether pubs or schools will open seriously. I think your complete bias comes from the hubris of youth.

You have a lot of living to do before that undoubted intellect you have is balanced with experience.

ChikiChiki · 02-08-2020 07:28PM

VinLieger wrote: »

North inner city, talking to several GP friends theres zero social distancing happening and those with symptoms are not isolating

I'd well believe it. I live in North Inner City and there is a serious amount of inconsiderate dregs about the place.

Additionally, just to note in my complex, there are apartments packed with bunkbeds. Could be as more than 8 bunks in a 2 bed. Seems to be quite a few non nationals living like that (Could you blame them with rental prices). Another effect of the pandemic is that a lot of people have lost jobs and have had to give up accommodation and are now piling in with friends until things blow over.

Also, if you look at NCR there is a lot of people living in almost tenemant conditions doors away from the Mater Hospital. A huge problem with substance abuse in the area does not help either. It is an extremely socially disadvantaged place from O'Connell Bridge right up to the Tolka.

ShineOn7 · 02-08-2020 07:28PM

Appalling figures for a Sunday and the yet the sugarcoaters are still trying to put a "it's grand! .... clusters!" slant on it

Some of you should be government spin doctors at this stage

Brace yourselves for the Wednesday spike this week (usually the Tuesday spike but it'll be delayed with the Bank Holiday)

Let's see how your spin is then

Case numbers on a weekly basis:

Week 26 - 67
Week 27 - 94
Week 28 - 127
Week 29 - 143
Week 30 - 122
Week 31 (This Week) - 286

As of Friday 31st July

Cases: 26,109
Hospitalosed: 3,359 (+6)
ICU: 437 (+0)
Healthcare workers: 8,432 (+3)
Clusters: 2,318 (+5)
Cases associated with clusters: 14,046 (+38)

An extra 6 people in hospital and, with the huge amount of new cases, unfortunately more to come

On the upside:

Erm

We're not in the Americas?

02-08-2020 07:30PM

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

Hi ACE.

Yourself and Stephen are the main 'everything is under control' merchants on here. And at times have been very condescending and ratty with those who differ with you.

You are very knowledgeable but lack balance in your posts.

You said you lost your job to Covid a month ago. Now you work part time and are in college? I wouldn't mind being in my early 20s again but that fact puts your posts in a different light.

This is ageist. But when seeking a medical opinion I generally find an older GP has seen a lot more than a young one. If an animal has an unusual problem it's more likely an older vet will find a cure.

I don't think you have enough life experience to take pronouncements on whether pubs or schools will open seriously. I think your complete bias comes from the hubris of youth.

You have a lot of living to do before that undoubted intellect you have is balanced with experience.

The irony of calling him condescending then proceeding to write the rest of your post :pac:

stephenjmcd · 02-08-2020 07:40PM

Won't be doing anymore analysis of numbers on this thread after today. Come to the conclusion its not worth the personal hassle that you get from a handful of posters who aren't bothered engaging in any sort of debate or conversation.

I've a few workbooks with stats going back a few weeks if anyone wants them to do their own comparisons feel free to PM me.

Keep safe everyone & your families.

Micky 32 · 02-08-2020 07:40PM

AdamD wrote: »

The irony of calling him condescending then proceeding to write the rest of your post :pac:

That’s what i was thinking, and the usual cohort liking the post. Surprised even them liking the post despite the using his age against him. Just shows the type of posters we’re dealing with on this cesspit of a thread.

CruelSummer · 02-08-2020 07:41PM

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

Hi ACE.

Yourself and Stephen are the main 'everything is under control' merchants on here. And at times have been very condescending and ratty with those who differ with you.

You are very knowledgeable but lack balance in your posts.

You said you lost your job to Covid a month ago. Now you work part time and are in college? I wouldn't mind being in my early 20s again but that fact puts your posts in a different light.

This is ageist. But when seeking a medical opinion I generally find an older GP has seen a lot more than a young one. If an animal has an unusual problem it's more likely an older vet will find a cure.

I don't think you have enough life experience to take pronouncements on whether pubs or schools will open seriously. I think your complete bias comes from the hubris of youth.

You have a lot of living to do before that undoubted intellect you have is balanced with experience.

It baffles me why some people on here want to consistently attack those providing numbers and information and are not resorting to hysteria & fear mongering. You mentioned ageism in your post & yet your own post is filled with ageist comments towards the poster stating he’s not ‘old enough’ to know what he’s talking about.
If I were ACE or Stephen I would hit the ignore button on such posters. You’re contributing nothing to the debate& seem to be given free reign on this forum at times.

podgeandrodge · 02-08-2020 07:41PM

Boggles wrote: »

Opening the pubs won't eradicate house parties.

If anything it may encourage more especially if there is a time limit imposed.

19 cases now linked to a pub in Staffordshire.

Open the family owned pubs, just let the locals back in.

I'd be wary that limiting opening hours and saying, say , close at 9pm could definitely influence the having of house parties after the pub closed. They'd be better off saying you can only open AT 9pm.

Micky 32 · 02-08-2020 07:41PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Won't be doing anymore analysis of numbers on this thread after today. Come to the conclusion its not worth the personal hassle that you get from a handful of posters who aren't bothered engaging in any sort of debate or conversation.

I've a few workbooks with stats going back a few weeks if anyone wants them to do their own comparisons feel free to PM me.

They’re afraid your shiney pin of reasoning will burst their bubble of doom and gloom.

Myramar · 02-08-2020 07:42PM

youtube.com/watch?v=so_SN5HMD0Q

I am amazed this is not generating more attention. 20% of close contacts refuse to be tested
when first contacted.(Day zero test) 50-60% of those who do take the test refuse to be tested again (Day 7 test) when asked to do so.
See 39 minutes into the last briefing.
This means that up to 65% people are not fully co-operating with the contact tracers.
Add to this the anecdotal reports from GPs that people with symtoms are declining to test and also to self isolate until the test is done.

tom1ie · 02-08-2020 07:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Won't be doing anymore analysis of numbers on this thread after today. Come to the conclusion its not worth the personal hassle that you get from a handful of posters who aren't bothered engaging in any sort of debate or conversation.

I've a few workbooks with stats going back a few weeks if anyone wants them to do their own comparisons feel free to PM me.

Keep safe everyone & your families.

Stephen I know how you feel and I do like reading your analysis. I might not always agree with it, but it’s good to read all the same.
Take a couple of days and come back.

Benimar · 02-08-2020 07:44PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Appalling figures for a Sunday and the yet the sugarcoaters are still trying to put a "it's grand! .... clusters!" slant on it

Some of you should be government spin doctors at this stage

Brace yourselves for the Wednesday spike this week (usually the Tuesday spike but it'll be delayed with the Bank Holiday)

Let's see how your spin is then

Case numbers on a weekly basis:
Week 26 - 67

Week 27 - 94

Week 28 - 127

Week 29 - 143

Week 30 - 122

Week 31 (This Week) - 286

As of Friday 31st July
Cases: 26,109

Hospitalosed: 3,359 (+6)

ICU: 437 (+0)

Healthcare workers: 8,432 (+3)

Clusters: 2,318 (+5)

Cases associated with clusters: 14,046 (+38)

An extra 6 people in hospital and, with the huge amount of new cases, unfortunately more to come

On the upside:

Erm

We're not in the Americas?

Three weeks to July 12th - 288 total cases
Two weeks to July 26th - 265 total cases
One week to Aug 2nd - 286 total cases

Whilst I’m not ‘losing my sh1t’ as some might say, I do think the level of positivity from some isn’t necessarily warranted.

There certainly has to be a concern that this could go either way at this stage. I think opening the pubs would be madness, compliance hasn’t exactly been stellar from those that are open, and if a spike resulted in an issue with opening schools there would be hell to pay.

As others have said, schools should and will get priority over pubs.

Oranage2 · 02-08-2020 07:44PM

It's grand if you're a single young male/female. It's scary if you've a family, elderly parents, high risk children to look after.

The numbers are scary, it seems to not be taken seriously anymore, it's like an Irish thing to rebel against the system like packing the pubs before the lockdown. Of course youths have little to fear but they can easily spread it to others who do take care of vulnerable people

CruelSummer · 02-08-2020 07:45PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Appalling figures for a Sunday and the yet the sugarcoaters are still trying to put a "it's grand! .... clusters!" slant on it

Some of you should be government spin doctors at this stage

Brace yourselves for the Wednesday spike this week (usually the Tuesday spike but it'll be delayed with the Bank Holiday)

Let's see how your spin is then

Case numbers on a weekly basis:
Week 26 - 67

Week 27 - 94

Week 28 - 127

Week 29 - 143

Week 30 - 122

Week 31 (This Week) - 286

As of Friday 31st July
Cases: 26,109

Hospitalosed: 3,359 (+6)

ICU: 437 (+0)

Healthcare workers: 8,432 (+3)

Clusters: 2,318 (+5)

Cases associated with clusters: 14,046 (+38)

An extra 6 people in hospital and, with the huge amount of new cases, unfortunately more to come

On the upside:

Erm

We're not in the Americas?

Ok...I see staying calm and living alongside Covid 19 won’t be your strong point. Perhaps time for you to cocoon indefinitely&turn on George Lee & the other scaremongering professors on RTÉ to watch while doing so. Most people are out living their lives at the moment as best they can with the current restrictions.

ChikiChiki · 02-08-2020 07:46PM

Myramar wrote: »

youtube.com/watch?v=so_SN5HMD0Q

I am amazed this is not generating more attention. 20% of close contacts refuse to be tested
when first contacted.(Day zero test) 50-60% of those who do take the test refuse to be tested again (Day 7 test) when asked to do so.
See 39 minutes into the last briefing.
This means that up to 65% people are not fully co-operating with the contact tracers.
Add to this the anecdotal reports from GPs that people with symtoms are declining to test and also to self isolate until the test is done.

It needs to be made mandatory or heavy fines otherwise. Full compliance with the advice is the best way to manage this thing.

ninebeanrows · 02-08-2020 07:47PM

Myramar wrote: »

youtube.com/watch?v=so_SN5HMD0Q

I am amazed this is not generating more attention. 20% of close contacts refuse to be tested
when first contacted.(Day zero test) 50-60% of those who do take the test refuse to be tested again (Day 7 test) when asked to do so.
See 39 minutes into the last briefing.
This means that up to 65% people are not fully co-operating with the contact tracers.
Add to this the anecdotal reports from GPs that people with symtoms are declining to test and also to self isolate until the test is done.

Kinda understandable at this rate. Catching COVID is at this stage apparently a result of a lapse of our cognition or worse, a deliberate participation in a non acceptable environment

Would you tell people you had Covid?
That should be next survey

stephenjmcd · 02-08-2020 07:47PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Stephen I know how you feel and I do like reading your analysis. I might not always agree with it, but it’s good to read all the same.
Take a couple of days and come back.

Much appreciated and have enjoyed engaging and sharing opinion with yourself.

Nah I'm done unfortunately, took a week the week before last and was all the better for it but its like a constant cycle unfortunately with the same few posters who want to continually make things personal.

Take care

ninebeanrows · 02-08-2020 07:49PM

Everybody is ashamed to sneeze or cough at the moment

Dare admit they have Covid

wadacrack · 02-08-2020 07:49PM

Benimar wrote: »

Three weeks to July 12th - 288 total cases
Two weeks to July 26th - 265 total cases
One week to Aug 2nd - 286 total cases

Whilst I’m not ‘losing my sh1t’ as some might say, I do think the level of positivity from some isn’t necessarily warranted.

There certainly has to be a concern that this could go either way at this stage. I think opening the pubs would be madness, compliance hasn’t exactly been stellar from those that are open, and if a spike resulted in an issue with opening schools there would be hell to pay.

As others have said, schools should and will get priority over pubs.

Agree about the pubs. correct decision and people were letting their emotions take over about that. They can't reallly open them now and the schools in a few weeks. That would be setting us up for a strict lockdown in a matter of weeks. The next few weeks will tell how effective the contact tracing in place has been at isolating the cases quickly.I'd imagine we will see more clusters in more high rosk settings. Factories, and enclosed work places

tom1ie · 02-08-2020 07:49PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Kinda understandable at this rate. Catching COVID is at this stage apparently a result of a lapse of our cognition or worse, a deliberate participation in a non acceptable environment

Would you tell people you had Covid?
That should be next survey

Well if that’s the way people are thinking community transmission will only increase.

Rob A. Bank · 02-08-2020 07:49PM

Dr Mike Ryan on the importance of suppressing community transmission and it's relevance to schools re-opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0qZPzTI0m0

FintanMcluskey · 02-08-2020 07:50PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Ok...I see staying calm and living alongside Covid 19 won’t be your strong point. Perhaps time for you to cocoon indefinitely&turn on George Lee & the other scaremongering professors on RTÉ to watch whole doing so. Most people are out living their lives at the moment as best they can with the current restrictions.

It appears certain posters want things to be worse than they are.

The positive thing is, that while cases are rising, the hospital figures are relatively static, so amoung the young it doesn't appear particularly dangerous.

spookwoman · 02-08-2020 07:50PM

Number of clusters, age affected, age hospitalised and county break down since monday. No sugar coating these

Jim_Hodge · 02-08-2020 07:54PM

The whole thread has become too personal and too much swiping at those who people don't agree with.

There doesn't seem to be any room for middle ground or reasoned discussion.

You're afraid to comment for fear a single phrase will be singled out for dissection and attack.

It's now a dip in and out, with perhaps an occasional comment, but no more reading through all contributions.

froog · 02-08-2020 07:57PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The whole thread has become too personal and too much swiping at those who people don't agree with.

There doesn't seem to be any room for middle ground or reasoned discussion.

You're afraid to comment for fear a single phrase will be singled out for dissection and attack.

It's now a dip in and out, with perhaps an occasional comment, but no more reading through all contributions.

yes unfortunately people on both sides have become entrenched with little appetite for compromise. not where you want to be dealing with a global pandemic.

Wolf359f · 02-08-2020 07:59PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Number of clusters, age affected, age hospitalised and county break down since monday. No sugar coating these

Don't forget to add in hospital discharges. From a quick check it's +6 hospitalised and +5 discharges. So only an increase of 1. Hospital admissions and ICU figures are pretty stable still.

Funsterdelux · 02-08-2020 07:59PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The whole thread has become too personal and too much swiping at those who people don't agree with.

There doesn't seem to be any room for middle ground or reasoned discussion.

You're afraid to comment for fear a single phrase will be singled out for dissection and attack.

It's now a dip in and out, with perhaps an occasional comment, but no more reading through all contributions.

Very much agree with you there.

Sounds a bit like twitter :eek:

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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