Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Richard Hillman · 02-08-2020 01:21PM

Donnolly is giving it the large one about keeping pubs closed to open the schools

'When the pubs reopen the cases go up': Health Minister says reopening schools is govt's priority https://jrnl.ie/5166236

He has basically given NPHET an invitation to keep them closed.

We need our publicans to tell government and NPHET to **** off and tell the Garda that they won't be taking their "advice" to close.

This is unacceptable at this stage.

stephenjmcd · 02-08-2020 01:25PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Donnolly is giving it the large one about keeping pubs closed to open the schools

'When the pubs reopen the cases go up': Health Minister says reopening schools is govt's priority https://jrnl.ie/5166236

He has basically given NPHET an invitation to keep them closed.

We need our publicans to tell government and NPHET to **** off and tell the Garda that they won't be taking their "advice" to close.

This is unacceptable at this stage.

Its actually unbelievable, kite flying from government this morning was we'll reach a compromise.

Everyone knows nightclubs aren't opening, pubs are open now difference is you can get food. Give them the same guidelines minus food, there's been a total of 0 clusters associated with hospitality in general since it reopened. That €9 immunity meal really doing the job.

Time for government to grow some balls here. They either open them and stop kicking the can down the road or they pump an awful lot of money into the industry and give them firm timelines, because this constant can kicking will just mean alot of businesses will unfortunately go to the wall.

Give them the same guidelines with regards to table spacing of 2m or 1m, no bar service, table service only, stay in your seat as is happening now. Only difference is a €9 bit of food.

py2006 · 02-08-2020 01:36PM

So we could be looking at end of Sept or beginning of Oct for pubs??

stephenjmcd · 02-08-2020 01:38PM

py2006 wrote: »

So we could be looking at end of Sept or beginning of Oct for pubs??

They don't want to comment on it but the usual sound bites are coming out.

Government sources in the Independent saying rural pubs might open first as planned, reduced opening hours etc. With separate guidelines then for urban pubs.

There's going to have to be a compromise or alot of grants given because you can't keep any business in any sector closed for that long.

I think they'll probably reach some sort of compromise that'll see the sector gradually open up

PTH2009 · 02-08-2020 01:43PM

Wet pubs in city's getting unfairly punished if country wet pubs can open. There will be bus loads heading out to them so

****ing joke

py2006 · 02-08-2020 01:49PM

A lot of food based pubs have been acting like non food based pubs since they reopened and there hasn't been an increase.

I don't think the increase in the last few days is related to the pubs.

freak scence · 02-08-2020 01:56PM

Frankx wrote: »

There's a saying when you have an injury you don't try too many things at once so you know what's working and what's not

You can apply that analogy here. Need to see what's happening with schools and pubs 1 at a time

Schools first

yep getting 1m kids back in one go makes loads of sense. am sure they will all walk or cycle and not use public transport , and won't play at lunch time

hynesie08 · 02-08-2020 02:04PM

freak scence wrote: »

yep getting 1m kids back in one go makes loads of sense. am sure they will all walk or cycle and not use public transport , and won't play at lunch time

I'm curious as to who they'll try to blame when there's a spike from schools reopening..... Probably house parties.....

ChikiChiki · 02-08-2020 02:06PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Donnolly is giving it the large one about keeping pubs closed to open the schools

'When the pubs reopen the cases go up': Health Minister says reopening schools is govt's priority https://jrnl.ie/5166236

He has basically given NPHET an invitation to keep them closed.

We need our publicans to tell government and NPHET to **** off and tell the Garda that they won't be taking their "advice" to close.

This is unacceptable at this stage.

What has he said that is wrong though based on the data coming back from other countries?

Fwiw, I think pubs in populated hotspots like Dublin and Kildare should remain closed and rural pubs allowed open with social distancing measures in place prohibited to people that live within a certain radius.

Risteard81 · 02-08-2020 02:06PM

The pubs must now state that they don't recognise this so-called "government" as legitimate.

hynesie08 · 02-08-2020 02:10PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

The pubs must now state that they don't recognise this so-called "government" as legitimate.

And then what??

Richard Hillman · 02-08-2020 02:15PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

What has he said that is wrong though based on the data coming back from other countries?

Fwiw, I think pubs in populated hotspots like Dublin and Kildare should remain closed and rural pubs allowed open with social distancing measures in place prohibited to people that live within a certain radius.

He said

"I don’t want to make any comments on that because that is something for Nphet to come to me with a view on on Tuesday, but it is certainly the case that decisions could be made if Nphet deemed necessary in order to keep the opening of schools on track,”

He is basically giving the medical industry involved in NPHET licence to say they want to keep the pubs closed by bizarrely linking them with the schools. And we all know the anti alcohol lobby of NPHET will jizz themselves at the thought of another few weeks of keeping pubs closed.

deiseindublin · 02-08-2020 02:21PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I'm curious as to who they'll try to blame when there's a spike from schools reopening..... Probably house parties.....

100% it will be the BOMs blamed, or those pesky lazy teachers.

Galwayguy35 · 02-08-2020 02:43PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

What has he said that is wrong though based on the data coming back from other countries?

Fwiw, I think pubs in populated hotspots like Dublin and Kildare should remain closed and rural pubs allowed open with social distancing measures in place prohibited to people that live within a certain radius.

Why not let the city pubs open as well?

If anything I think they would be more inclined to adhere to the guidelines than the rural pubs and I say that as a rural dweller.

Coillte_Bhoy · 02-08-2020 02:47PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wet pubs in city's getting unfairly punished if country wet pubs can open. There will be bus loads heading out to them so

****ing joke

Why would there? Theres no shortage of pubs that are open in the bigger towns. Im in a rural town, 5 pubs, all closed

Chalk McHugh · 02-08-2020 02:49PM

freak scence wrote: »

yes and there are 280 escorts working in dublin right now , they must be busy too , wonder if RTE are banging on their door

Banging inside the door i'd imagine.

joeguevara · 02-08-2020 02:53PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

The pubs must now state that they don't recognise this so-called "government" as legitimate.

A pub is a body corporate. As an entity that has no personality it literally cannot proclaim anything as illegitimate. It can only do what is legally allowed in company law. But let’s say they could and did what you said, what then. If the government is not legitimate, what difference does it make, it would still have to follow the other two organs of the state I.e. legislature and judiciary. So even with an illegitimate government they are still bound by the underpinning legislation which was there before the illegitimate government. Then the judiciary is still empowered to enforce breaches of that and fail to renew licence.

So Risteard81 what is the point of your ineffectual proclamation other than populist hot air with no value. I’m waiting for the next step of telling pubs to spend the Apple tax.

It is literally the same as a jilted boyfriend refusing to accept the legitimacy of his gf breaking up with him.

JP Liz V1 · 02-08-2020 03:44PM

Aren't the government now on their holliers?

NomadicGray · 02-08-2020 04:07PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

The pubs must now state that they don't recognise this so-called "government" as legitimate.

tip top kek right there

freak scence · 02-08-2020 04:25PM

wales opening theirs up

https://twitter.com/fmwales/status/1289863782018084865

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 02-08-2020 04:34PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Why single out Dublin?? But also not a single person is asking for a complete unrestricted opening of all pubs, but there is no reason not to open pubs with contact tracing and social distancing, and if a pub breaks the rules, shut them down, but that's up to the people in charge, but just cause that fat prick on primetime harassed minimum wage workers, doesn't mean it's not working....

What a stupid post

thenightman · 02-08-2020 04:39PM

Now they've bizarrely linked pub opening with schools and floated the idea publicly, not a chance pubs will open on August 10th. I will be very irritated in September when traffic is bedlam, public transport is jammed with maskless brats and I can't go for a poxy pint after work without being hounded to order a frozen pizza for €9!

Might take one of the pub associations to challenge government in High Court at this rate, zero clusters associated with the pubs serving overpriced microwave food that have been open over a month at this stage and pubs still being kept in the dark about opening 8 days out from proposed reopening date.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 02-08-2020 04:42PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

During a June 8 press briefing, Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO technical lead for COVID-19, said that asymptomatic spread is "very rare."

They also recently admitted that any recommendation in favour of stupid gas masks by them was due to political pressure, and not on the merits of such a policy.

Where did you see that?

Risteard81 · 02-08-2020 04:43PM

Dalton Scarce Bum wrote: »

Where did you see that?

It has been admitted numerous times that their policy changed due to political lobbying, and not due to scientific merit.

joeguevara · 02-08-2020 04:49PM

Dalton Scarce Bum wrote: »

Where did you see that?

Interestingly what Risteard81 posted was correct and the WHO (well a representative) did say that.

What Risteard81 forgot to follow up with, even when shown evidence was that the WHO clarified those remarks by saying that it was a language mis interpretaion of a small definition of asymptomatic. It was also clarified by Harvard experts that people without symptoms do shed considerable virus particles which would be partly prevented by wearing a mask.

This is a major issue on facts when something is demonstrated as fact when it has been later clarified. Interestingly the people who initially post these rarely acknowledge when shown its out of date.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/

joeguevara · 02-08-2020 04:50PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

It has been admitted numerous times that their policy changed due to political lobbying, and not due to scientific merit.

Risteard81 as has been put to you countless times the who have clarified the misinterpretation and Harvard backed it up. Be a man and acknowledge this and find a new article to back yourself up.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/

Risteard81 · 02-08-2020 04:52PM

"It has been admitted numerous times that their policy changed due to political lobbying, and not due to scientific merit."

That is a fact which does not require clarification. The WHO when pressed by journalists did not refute that it was merely due to political lobbying and not scientific evidence that they now recommend stupid gas masks.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 02-08-2020 04:54PM

robbiezero wrote: »

That Prime Time was the nearest thing I have seen to an episode of Alan Partridge on RTE. Between that embarrassing undercover feature and that clown Dr Ebun Jones and a blatantly biased presenter taking on Michael McDowell, it was like a comedy show.

Honestly, the whinging and whining because RTE 'dared' to demonstrate that some pubs are just ignoring the regulations under which they were allowed re-open. Those pubs deserved to be named and shamed. But no, it's the presenters fault, it's the reporters fault etc etc
And the name calling of the reporter, including one poster calling him a 'paedophile type' is a bloody disgrace. I can't believe the mods have allowed that post to stand.

joeguevara · 02-08-2020 04:54PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

"It has been admitted numerous times that their policy changed due to political lobbying, and not due to scientific merit."

That is a fact which does not require clarification. The WHO when pressed by journalists did not refute that it was merely due to political lobbying and not scientific evidence that they now recommend stupid gas masks.

So disregarding the Harvard medical experts who specifically state that a symptomatic people shed the virus that can infect others.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/

So Risteard81 where did you get your medical degree and experience that will rebut the Harvard experts?

Risteard81 · 02-08-2020 04:56PM

joeguevara wrote: »

So disregarding the Harvard medical experts who specifically state that a symptomatic people shed the virus that can infect others.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/

So Risteard81 where did you get your medical degree and experience that will rebut the Harvard experts?

None of your nonsense alters THE FACT THAT THE WHO ALTERED THEIR POLICY SOLELY DUE TO POLITICAL LOBBYING as they have admitted.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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