Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

Renjit · 01-08-2020 05:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

As have many other people, and nothing has happened. Factories are causing massive amount of cases and nobody bats an eye. It's a way bigger issue.

I hope more people jaywalk until it becomes a big issue

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 05:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

As have many other people, and nothing has happened. Factories are causing massive amount of cases and nobody bats an eye. It's a way bigger issue.

I agree but that's a different issue. There is always going to be issues in factories due to working with so many others. But just because people are not posting about it on boards.ie doesn't mean we don't know or care.
As I said before big difference between someone admitting to breaking the regulations, that's regulations that have been put in place to protect people, stop outbreaks and an outbreak in a factory.

Plumbthedepths · 01-08-2020 05:38PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

As have many other people, and nothing has happened. Factories are causing massive amount of cases and nobody bats an eye. It's a way bigger issue.

Tbh it's down to necessity, if you have an out break in a pub/ restaurant no one will bat an eyelid if it's closed. A relative of mine works for a medical device company that produces ventilators there has been a few cases there and several linked to the premises. Still working away. I will not be identifying the area or company name, sorry.
Acceptable risk.

Oranage2 · 01-08-2020 05:38PM

Are figures posted at the weekend? If not Tuesday is going to be carnage

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 05:39PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I agree but that's a different issue. There is always going to be issues in factories due to working with so many others. But just because people are not posting about it on boards.ie doesn't mean we don't know or care.
As I said before big difference between someone admitting to breaking the regulations, that's regulations that have been put in place to protect people, stop outbreaks and an outbreak in a factory.

I politely disagree. There has been a plethora of anti-pub rhetoric in the media and on here, with little to nothing said about factories. I reckon Kildare will have 100+ extra cases in the next 2 weeks because of said factory, if details about direct provision and massive amount of infected workers are to be believed. We simply have not seen anything even remotely close to that in pubs, restaurants, sports etc.

Itssoeasy · 01-08-2020 05:41PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Are figures posted at the weekend? If not Tuesday is going to be carnage

Yes cases are reported at the weekend. Even if they weren't why would Tuesday be carnage as you call it ?

Jim_Hodge · 01-08-2020 05:44PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I politely disagree. There has been a plethora of anti-pub rhetoric in the media and on here, with little to nothing said about factories. I reckon Kildare will have 100+ extra cases in the next 2 weeks because of said factory, if details about direct provision and massive amount of infected workers are to be believed. We simply have not seen anything even remotely close to that in pubs, restaurants, sports etc.

Let's not confuse the issue at hand. This is not anti-pub. It's anti flouting the regulations for pub opening. It can be a bit galling to be sticking to the rules, for everybody's sake, and then see others brag about breaking those same rules you had stuck to. By all means open the pubs but let's all do the same thing and keep to the guidelines.

The factories is an appalling situation but a different issue.

seanb85 · 01-08-2020 05:45PM

Basic probability indicates that the chance of an event occurring increases with more opportunities for that event to occur. It's why our case numbers are increasing and it's why we are all still being asked to limit our contacts and our social outings. If someone was going to the pub 3 times a week before this you should be limiting this to once a week or something, that's just asking people to be responsible.

I'm not against opening all pubs but feel they should really restrict their capacity fairly harshly, I would say 25% max. Unfortunately pubs are notorious for doing what they can get away with. How many times have you been refused more alcohol when drunk? For me that's never happened. From what I've seen too many places are intent on getting as many people in as possible, they are not overly concerned about safety, the bottom line is their primary concern and that is not compatible with safety measures during a pandemic.

gabeeg · 01-08-2020 05:45PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I politely disagree. There has been a plethora of anti-pub rhetoric in the media and on here, with little to nothing said about factories. I reckon Kildare will have 100+ extra cases in the next 2 weeks because of said factory, if details about direct provision and massive amount of infected workers are to be believed. We simply have not seen anything even remotely close to that in pubs, restaurants, sports etc.

Yeah, and is that in part due to the regulations that your man is flouting?

shinzon · 01-08-2020 05:46PM

There is no way to adequately police a bunch of piss heads in a pub if they do open up on the 10th and any breach of regulations now should be reported and there needs to be a real effort to pull the pubs licenses who are flouting the regulations full stop.

Shin

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 05:47PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Yeah, and is that in part due to the regulations that your man is flouting?

I don't see the difference between sitting in one spot with the same people for 1.75 hours and sitting there for 3 hours to be honest. It's a non-issue.

Jim_Hodge · 01-08-2020 05:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't see the difference between sitting in one spot with the same people for 1.75 hours and sitting there for 3 hours to be honest. It's a non-issue.

That's the point. Can we all change our behaviour as we see fit ourselves and just set our own parameters?

Clonmel1000 · 01-08-2020 05:51PM

shinzon wrote: »

There is no way to adequately police a bunch of piss heads in a pub if they do open up on the 10th and any breach of regulations now should be reported and there needs to be a real effort to pull the pubs licenses who are flouting the regulations full stop.

Shin

So everyone who goes to a pub is a piss head?

This pandemic has really brought to the fore a very strange cohort of people.

Strumms · 01-08-2020 05:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I politely disagree. There has been a plethora of anti-pub rhetoric in the media and on here, with little to nothing said about factories. I reckon Kildare will have 100+ extra cases in the next 2 weeks because of said factory, if details about direct provision and massive amount of infected workers are to be believed. We simply have not seen anything even remotely close to that in pubs, restaurants, sports etc.

A lot of factories are making essential goods.

Pubs do essential sweet fûck all. Yet the obsession almost with pub owners and those who have zero interest in having an alternative social life, or ‘a’ life are and have been clamoring for them to be open.

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 05:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I politely disagree. There has been a plethora of anti-pub rhetoric in the media and on here, with little to nothing said about factories. I reckon Kildare will have 100+ extra cases in the next 2 weeks because of said factory, if details about direct provision and massive amount of infected workers are to be believed. We simply have not seen anything even remotely close to that in pubs, restaurants, sports etc.

and what had this got to do with with flouting regulation?

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 05:51PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

That's the point. Can we all change our behaviour as we see fit ourselves and just set our own parameters?

It's a person's own responsibility, if they choose to stay for longer than recommended then that's not up to me or you to police and judge.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 05:51PM

spookwoman wrote: »

and what had this got to do with with flouting regulation?

You're making an issue out of nothing and ignoring real problems.

Oranage2 · 01-08-2020 05:54PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Yes cases are reported at the weekend. Even if they weren't why would Tuesday be carnage as you call it ?

Have you not been following the trends? Over 120 people infected, with the RO at R1 this will lead to double the numbers. I predict Tuesday to be close to 100 positive tests. With many not being tested but Having the virus. We're currently in phase 3 and it's worrying that we have such high and sporadic numbers. When schools go back it's gonna be mayhem.

Plumbthedepths · 01-08-2020 05:55PM

Strumms wrote: »

A lot of factories are making essential goods.

Pubs do essential sweet fûck all. Yet the obsession almost with pub owners and those who have zero interest in having an alternative social life, or ‘a’ life are and have been clamoring for them to be open.

Plenty of people like pubs and the social interaction they provide why wouldn't they want them open?
Of course Pub owners want them open, it's their livelihood hardly surprising.

spookwoman · 01-08-2020 05:55PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're making an issue out of nothing and ignoring real problems.

Sorry is there a new rule that I have to have an opinion and post on what you think is important?

niallo27 · 01-08-2020 05:56PM

Strumms wrote: »

A lot of factories are making essential goods.

Pubs do essential sweet fûck all. Yet the obsession almost with pub owners and those who have zero interest in having an alternative social life, or ‘a’ life are and have been clamoring for them to be open.

So the average 50 or 60 year old who has a few pints on a Friday or Saturday and meet a few people, what alternative social life do you propose for him.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 05:57PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Sorry is there a new rule that I have to have an opinion and post on what you think is important?

You asked what it had to do with flouting regulations, I stated that it is less important than the fact we have factories spreading infection.

polesheep · 01-08-2020 05:57PM

spookwoman wrote: »

I agree but that's a different issue. There is always going to be issues in factories due to working with so many others. But just because people are not posting about it on boards.ie doesn't mean we don't know or care.
As I said before big difference between someone admitting to breaking the regulations, that's regulations that have been put in place to protect people, stop outbreaks and an outbreak in a factory.

I'll let you in on a secret, people have been breaking regulations since they were introduced. NPHET never expected 100% adherence.

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 05:57PM

polesheep wrote: »

I'll let you in on a secret, people have been breaking regulations since they were introduced. NPHET never expected 100% adherence.

No way?!?!??!?!

Away With The Fairies · 01-08-2020 05:57PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So the average 50 or 60 year old who has a few pints on a Friday or Saturday and meet a few people, what alternative social life do you propose for him.

They have a very sad, dull life if that's their only social life.

Itssoeasy · 01-08-2020 05:57PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Have you not been following the trends? Over 120 people infected, with the RO at R1 this will lead to double the numbers. I predict Tuesday to be close to 100 positive tests. With many not being tested but Having the virus. We're currently in phase 3 and it's worrying that we have such high and sporadic numbers. When schools go back it's gonna be mayhem.

120 ? And we had a high of 85 during the week but then it went down. And yes I've been watching the numbers. Not many being tested ? That's your opinion.

Jim_Hodge · 01-08-2020 05:58PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's a person's own responsibility, if they choose to stay for longer than recommended then that's not up to me or you to police and judge.

Ok, so anybody is free to flout any restriction or regulation they feel like? Don't wear a mask, don't use hand sanitizer, forget social distancing, keep socially active if you have symptoms. Nobody will judge you or even care what you do.

It's the little things that matter and build up.
We got this far by each trying to do the right thing and now I wonder why bother putting ourselves at any inconvenience going forward if it, apparently, doesn't matter to anybody.

Boggles · 01-08-2020 05:58PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So the average 50 or 60 year old who has a few pints on a Friday or Saturday and meet a few people, what alternative social life do you propose for him.

Monkey Tennis!

ACitizenErased · 01-08-2020 05:58PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

They have a very sad, dull life if that's their only social life.

What an awful thing to say.

seanb85 · 01-08-2020 05:59PM

Just in relation to pubs and duration, there is also evidence that acute alcohol consumption can impair the immune response when exposed to pathogens, particularly as blood alcohol levels rise. This is particularly relevant for the pubs debate.

Regular alcohol consumption also has negative long term impacts on the immune response.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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