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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #3782
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    jackboy wrote: »
    Confirmation bias has been rife amongst scientists since the start of Covid. Lots of Irish scientists that said masks were dangerous a few months ago now say they are essential. Their change of opinion is not based on new data but on what opinion is politically correct at the time. Covid has revealed the dearth of really top class scientists in Ireland who we can trust.

    Yeh it is unfortunate as there is risk to people's health in this situation though, now more than ever it seems it's very easy to find convincingly constructed arguments/studies to suit any argument you'd wish to make , probably why so many of the arguments of these threads have been at a stalemate for literally months going on in circles indefinitely regardless of the reality


  • #3783
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How does one address long term affects without a long term study'?
    Btw I'm fairly sure the poster is a she.

    If one cannot tell there are long term effects without long term studies (true) then one can also not say that long term effects occur in a very small minority.
    We just do not know.
    We are building the boats as we paddle an unknown water course in these times.


  • #3784
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I remember K .De Gascun on PrimeTime dismissing the findings by a Czech expert that masks suppressed the virus. There was also a professor from Trinity or Maynooth (can't remember which) that agreed with DeG.
    If you want to see a daily change of opinion look up McConkey.

    Check up Luke O Neills interview on the late late on the 28th of Feburary. Well worth a smile

    Posters will make excuses for them, saying that the science is always changing but that's rubbish, it seems the guidance is based purely on public opinion.


  • #3785
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Tbh, plum, the people who insist everything is fine, and that everyone should ignore the virus ARE scary.

    Even if AWTFairies is over the top, for example, I've no fear that they're going to contribute to the spread of covid.

    In addition to that, avoiding 'scare mongering' is pretty manageable with little effect on your quality of life. Block a user, close a thread..or even just stay away from message boards etc.

    Avoiding a virus outbreak on the other hand, hard to do without indefinite social isolation which is a lot more difficult to ask people to do.


  • #3786
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Tbh, plum, the people who insist everything is fine, and that everyone should ignore the virus ARE scary.

    You're going to have a tough time finding any post by me that correlates with the above.
    I'm fully aware what needs to be done to suppress the virus and i follow the guidelines myself but I also use what I consider common sense. I think spending time on the net searching for the scariest articles one can find is neither helpful or healthy. As I said earlier I don't have a bunker mentality . I do believe living in a heightened state of fear is not good mentally or physically.
    Lastly not getting at you but I don't understand why people feel they should get so personal with their responses to someone they disagree with. I don't particularly like the GAA but I do like the ethos 'play the ball, not the man'.


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  • #3787
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    polesheep wrote: »
    In just the past few days I've heard of two people who have been given a cancer diagnosis with a very poor prognosis. In both cases the person's test was delayed due to Covid. There is a possibility that delayed cancer testing could push the school issue into second place.

    Interesting article in The Lancet on that. Across four common cancers, it's estimated that there will be about 3,500 avoidable deaths due to Covid-19 restrictions.


  • #3788
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Apologies for assuming she was a bloke.

    You take a sample of a thousand people that are known to have had it and survey them.

    It's what the CDC did. Not complicated and can be done quickly

    Doesn't matter what you take, you cannot state what long term affects are after only 6 to 8 months at most.


  • #3789
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Doesn't matter what you take, you cannot state what long term affects are after only 6 to 8 months at most.

    Oh ffs

    You can survey for ongoing effects. The global health community is not going to wait a year


  • #3790
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Interesting article in The Lancet on that. Across four common cancers, it's estimated that there will be about 3,500 avoidable deaths due to Covid-19 restrictions.

    A work colleague of mine had a bone marrow transplant cancelled because of the Covid restrictions. He is now at home in the care of a palliative nurse. 33 years old , two children under 10 , leukemia.


  • #3791
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    This is a study just published on the potential long term effects of Covid-19. Grim reading.

    It's not really that grim. It's myocardial inflammation which is usually temporary. I'd mentioned in relation to this that my heartrate was all over the place due to chestwall inflammation from the end of my virus and for the first 6-8 weeks of my post viral condition this year. It's fine and normal now.


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  • #3792
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    A work colleague of mine had a bone marrow transplant cancelled because of the Covid restrictions. He is now at home in the care of a palliative nurse. 33 years old , two children under 10 , leukemia.

    Christ. That's awful.


  • #3793
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Oh ffs

    You can survey for ongoing effects. The global health community is not going to wait a year

    Use all the 'ffs' you want, it still gives zero credibility to your comment


  • #3794
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    iguana wrote: »
    It's not really that grim. It's myocardial inflammation which is usually temporary. I'd mentioned in relation to this that my heartrate was all over the place due to chestwall inflammation from the end of my virus and for the first 6-8 weeks of my post viral condition this year. It's fine and normal now.

    It's not grim for most people, but it has the potential to do long term damage. You might consider getting your heart checked just to be on the safe side. Myocardial inflammation is also indicative of a heart attack - which is why they urge further research based on their findings.


  • #3795
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Christ. That's awful.

    Secondary deaths were a big fear, I think missed diagnosis will result in more deaths than Covid. 25 people die everyday from cancer in Ireland.


  • #3796
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You're going to have a tough time finding any post by me that correlates with the above.
    I'm fully aware what needs to be done to suppress the virus and i follow the guidelines myself but I also use what I consider common sense. I think spending time on the net searching for the scariest articles one can find is neither helpful or healthy. As I said earlier I don't have a bunker mentality . I do believe living in a heightened state of fear is not good mentally or physically.
    Lastly not getting at you but I don't understand why people feel they should get so personal with their responses to someone they disagree with. I don't particularly like the GAA but I do like the ethos 'play the ball, not the man'.

    Wasn't all this talk brought on by someone who mentioned public toilets this morning?

    Opening windows and good ventilation is important for this. Alot of public toilets have no windows. That's not an irrational fear to have, nor is it scare-mongering.


  • #3797
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Oh ffs

    You can survey for ongoing effects. The global health community is not going to wait a year

    You’ll have to wait a year to see the effects that a year has

    Thats fairly common sense


  • #3798
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Secondary deaths were a big fear, I think missed diagnosis will result in more deaths than Covid. 25 people die everyday from cancer in Ireland.

    Possibly but pro rata excess cancer deaths in Ireland would be about 300 based on The Lancet findings. Still a disaster for your friend and their family.


  • #3799
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Wasn't all this talk brought on by someone who mentioned public toilets this morning?

    Opening windows and good ventilation is important for this. Alot of public toilets have no windows. That's not an irrational fear to have, nor is it scare-mongering.

    Seriously what is your fascination with toilets? Is it a fetish?


  • #3800
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Use all the 'ffs' you want, it still gives zero credibility to your comment

    It helps me cope


  • #3801
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Tbh, plum, the people who insist everything is fine, and that everyone should ignore the virus ARE scary.

    But nobody on here is really saying that though, are they. They're providing a legitimate view that you shouldn't allow Covid to prevent you living some semblance of a normal life, which is necessary for mental health. As opposed to some who would bunker down and avoid living their lives, some have used the word "petrified"- they're entitled to feel that way, but others might view it as an overly negative stance, at least while we have it reasonably under control.

    Speaking of having it under control, perhaps I'm speaking too soon - the Indo today says "19 new cases means the virus is spreading uncontrollably". Glass half empty there anyway.


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  • #3802
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Was not aware it was a conspiracy site, post deleted.
    It's concerning that you believed the crap that was posted on it, though. Numbers guys should also exercise some caution as to where their numbers come from, and if the results sound like bollocks, check the sources again.

    Not that I don't think you provide very valuable input in posting the hse's numbers.


  • #3803
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Possibly but pro rata excess cancer deaths in Ireland would be about 300 based on The Lancet findings. Still a disaster for your friend and their family.

    The really **** part is his brother was a match and the donation was taken but put on 'ice'. Would the donation have helped , who knows but it's unlikely it would have worsened his condition.


  • #3804
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Can someone explain the obsession with public toilets?????


  • #3805
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The really **** part is his brother was a match and the donation was taken but put on 'ice'. Would the donation have helped , who knows but it's unlikely it would have worsened his condition.

    Have a friend in a similar position - leukemia. She's been told that it will help if needed, brother is also a match, but they're trying chemo first.


  • #3806
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Ficheall wrote: »
    It's concerning that you believed the crap that was posted on it, though. Numbers guys should also exercise some caution as to where their numbers come from, and if the results sound like bollocks, check the sources again.

    Not that I don't think you provide very valuable input in posting the hse's numbers.

    Others post Daily Mail articles and get hailed..
    I post one article and remove it when I find its false and get given out to? Right......


  • #3807
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Seriously what is your fascination with toilets? Is it a fetish?

    Someone's concerns about toilets and you dismiss them and mock them and you insult me saying I have a fascination and fetish with toilets?


  • #3808
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Seriously what is your fascination with toilets? Is it a fetish?

    What about only playing the ball, not being personal or scrolling past stuff that annoys you?


  • #3809
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Update on that cruise ship:

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1289555616747393025?s=21


  • #3810
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Have a friend in a similar position - leukemia. She's been told that it will help if needed, brother is also a match, but they're trying chemo first.

    Yeah they went down the chemo route 20+ litres in 72 hours . Unfortunately it didn't work.
    I hope it works for your friend but at least transplants are up and running again.
    On a different note my son was able to donate a kidney to his partner . So not all is bleak.


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  • #3811
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    On the toilet thing - which to be honest I do not think about - here is something
    https://penta-id.org/covid-19-publications/positive-rectal-swabs-in-young-patients-recovered-from-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/

    People testing positive on rectal swabs long after negative at throat. As if 2020 could not possibly offer more thrills.


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