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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    moonage wrote: »
    The problem is that if a mask catches large droplets containing virus, it will quickly dry out on the inside of the mask in seconds or minutes, will turn into dust particles which will then be expelled from the sides of the masks into the environment as the mask wearer breathes in and out. The dust particles contain the virus and might be inhaled by people.

    The science is weak on whether they have any effect at all. Therefore they shouldn't be mandatory.

    But even if they did stop the spread of the virus a tiny bit, is that necessarily a good thing? The policy of supression and elimination is futile. The virus is going to stay with us and we have to live with it and get on with our lives.

    Where did you get that information from, droplets dries out and turn into dust particles? There's more science to mask wearing than droplets turning into dust.

    Yes it is a good thing stopping the virus. You have no right to infect others, so mask up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    Yes: surgical
    I have started wearing a mask in shops in last few weeks, relatively young no underlying illnesses Have noticed more and more people wearing them and I honestly dont mind them. Feel a bit more protected too while wearing it.
    Although i must admit I got a nice black one from amazon wouldnt like to wear one of those medical ones i still have to look cool :D I must check if i can get a bane style mask :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭seefin


    Yes: valved
    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Paddygreen, what's the goal of your posts?
    Are you being funny (or making an attempt) or do you believe what you post?

    He is really annoying me now. Paddy you have an overinflated opinion of your sense of humour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    No: I don't care enough
    seefin wrote: »
    He is really annoying me now. Paddy you have an overinflated opinion of your sense of humour.

    It's annoying that the block user option in boards doesn't seem to have any affect on the mobile site. I know he's sitting there chucking as he types. I used to post stuff like that when I was about 12 but I grew out of it after a week.
    At least he's making himself happy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Frankx


    What's the theory behind the masks

    Are we just waiting for a vaccine

    Is herd immunity gone out the window?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I have started wearing a mask in shops in last few weeks, relatively young no underlying illnesses Have noticed more and more people wearing them and I honestly dont mind them. Feel a bit more protected too while wearing it.
    Although i must admit I got a nice black one from amazon wouldnt like to wear one of those medical ones i still have to look cool :D I must check if i can get a bane style mask :cool:

    Remember though its not your mask that is really protecting you from droplets... it is the maskson the other people that protect you from their droplets.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Frankx wrote: »
    What's the theory behind the masks
    Are we just waiting for a vaccine
    Is herd immunity gone out the window?

    This explains why the CDC changed their stance on masks
    https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

    Waiting for vaccine or better treatments.

    Herd immunity not really a runner in Europe or anywhere with a lot of vulnerable demographic. It might happen in India and similar profile countries.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    We need a solution revolution guys. Masks are great and I love them but we can’t stop there. Eyeballs are vulnerable incubation points for CV, warm, moist, a perfect spot for a very frightening virus to land and set up shop. Visors don’t cut it, too much space around the visor for the virus to get in, a bit like building a chocolate fence around a five year old, they give people a false sense of security. Goggles guys, we need goggles, goggles beat visors hands down. The terrifying virus can also hitchhike on people’s cloths, high time people started wearing disposable overalls.

    All citizens to wear orange overall jump suits with mask , goggles and ear muffs for unspecified length of time once you leave your front door. . Sure it’ll be only lovely. Expect zero resistance from the docile citizens.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,464 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    No: I don't care enough
    Paddygreen wrote: »
    We need a solution revolution guys. Masks are great and I love them but we can’t stop there. Eyeballs are vulnerable incubation points for CV, warm, moist, a perfect spot for a very frightening virus to land and set up shop. Visors don’t cut it, too much space around the visor for the virus to get in, a bit like building a chocolate fence around a five year old, they give people a false sense of security. Goggles guys, we need goggles, goggles beat visors hands down. The terrifying virus can also hitchhike on people’s cloths, high time people started wearing disposable overalls.
    Do not post in this thread again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    When should we start seeing the effect of the national mask mandate on the daily case figures? It's heading up for 2 weeks now right, which is usually the timeframe where we start to see the effects of measures?
    Will be exciting to see the drop now we've started to try to deal with the Tesco/Lidl/Supervalu/Penneys crisis.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Frankx


    When should we start seeing the effect of the national mask mandate on the daily case figures? It's heading up for 2 weeks now right, which is usually the timeframe where we start to see the effects of measures?
    Will be exciting to see the drop now we've started to try to deal with the Tesco/Lidl/Supervalu/Penneys crisis.

    What crisis is that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    No: I don't care enough
    Frankx wrote: »
    What crisis is that?
    Will be exciting to see the drop now we've started to try to deal with the Tesco/Lidl/Supervalu/Penneys crisis.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,631 ✭✭✭Tork


    Yes: to protect others
    I think the mask wearing is now as good as it's going to get. There is still a consistent number of people who are either refusing to wear masks or just don't care. They'd want to be living under a rock not to know what they're being asked to do. Until shops/shopping centres proactively start excluding these people, the compliance won't rise. We're getting away with it at the moment because it's the summer time and the weather has been reasonably good. It's going to get interesting when the cold and flu season starts up later in the year. How will people react when they're standing near somebody who's openly coughing, sneezing and sniffling without a face covering?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    When should we start seeing the effect of the national mask mandate on the daily case figures? It's heading up for 2 weeks now right, which is usually the timeframe where we start to see the effects of measures?
    Will be exciting to see the drop now we've started to try to deal with the Tesco/Lidl/Supervalu/Penneys crisis.

    Only someone looking to shoot down mask policy would be so impatiently hungry for data. As mentioned throughout this thread, mask wearing is sporadic at best, there has not been a cohesive clean blanket attempt at masking yet so data will reflect this.

    If you want to observe what a drop in numbers looks like when blanket masking takes place, look at drop within 2 days(not 2weeks) of mandatory masking of health care workers.

    ps there is no data avaiable from the Health Protection Surveillence Center for supermarkets. No data does not equate to zero transmission, now let that graph sink in and cop on.

    diy-masks-graph-hse-cases2.png


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Frankx


    Tork wrote: »
    I think the mask wearing is now as good as it's going to get. There is still a consistent number of people who are either refusing to wear masks or just don't care. They'd want to be living under a rock not to know what they're being asked to do. Until shops/shopping centres proactively start excluding these people, the compliance won't rise. We're getting away with it at the moment because it's the summer time and the weather has been reasonably good. It's going to get interesting when the cold and flu season starts up later in the year. How will people react when they're standing near somebody who's openly coughing, sneezing and sniffling without a face covering?
    The shops don't want to

    It costs money to police mask wearing and they don't wish to lose the non mask wearing clientele


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭kris_2021


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    They lose either way. I know people who are avoiding places that don't seem bothered about clients wearing masks. I can't avoid supermarkets but I can avoid other shops.
    So any non essential shopping I do, I do online and will keep doing it like that until the virus is gone or we're sure of not catching it in a shop. I know the risk is low. It's really low if I shop online.

    It is an opposite - Any shop that will force me to wear mask i will be avoiding.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭Frankx


    I don't like them and was dismayed when they came in

    It's weird now watching the ones that don't wear them


  • Posts: 18,047 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kris_2021 wrote: »
    It is an opposite - Any shop that will force me to wear mask i will be avoiding.

    Awh you big baby. So cute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    kris_2021 wrote: »
    It is an opposite - Any shop that will force me to wear mask i will be avoiding.

    Just do what you are told to do please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Frankx wrote: »
    I don't like them and was dismayed when they came in

    It's weird now watching the ones that don't wear them

    The naked faces on them lol, they literally are freaks at this point.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,907 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    No: I don't care enough
    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Just do what you are told to do please.

    Oh the ironing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    What did I do? Is this what happens on here when people raise awareness?


  • Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    What did I do? Is this what happens on here when people raise awareness?

    Unfortunately your mask slipped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Just trying to be a good citizen by encouraging others to listen to the experts. That’s all I have ever done. If that’s my crime then guilty as charged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Unfortunately your mask slipped.

    Is that supposed to be metaphorical or what? My position on non-mask wearers has never flip flopped. I have been clear and consistent since the beginning of the crisis and I have not wavered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,351 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Yes: surgical
    I think the reason so many are wearing them now is because of peer pressure or the herd mentality. People who don’t actually care wear a mask anyway because they feel self conscious if they’re the only person not wearing one.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    That can only be a good thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Seanergy wrote: »
    Only someone looking to shoot down mask policy would be so impatiently hungry for data. As mentioned throughout this thread, mask wearing is sporadic at best, there has not been a cohesive clean blanket attempt at masking yet so data will reflect this.

    What a cop out - so there has been no change in behaviour since this was mandated 2 weeks ago? What was the point of the mandate so?
    Is that an admission that the governments big announcement to mandate (and eventually make it written in law) mask wearing when shopping is expected to have no affect at all on the case numbers? And you wonder why some question if that is a proportionate measure?
    Seanergy wrote: »
    If you want to observe what a drop in numbers looks like when blanket masking takes place, look at drop within 2 days(not 2weeks) of mandatory masking of health care workers.

    ps there is no data avaiable from the Health Protection Surveillence Center for supermarkets. No data does not equate to zero transmission, now let that graph sink in and cop on.

    It's almost as if certain settings require different measures. Your graph points out that people providing close contact care to ill or vulnerable people should wear masks (and not just any old cloth, medical grade protection) - absolutely nobody would challenge this.
    The question is about proportionate measures - the fact that we don't have the equivalent data imo shows that shopping etc. is not a big enough risk to require this country to make it against the law (eventually) to go to tesco or buy petrol without masks.

    I'm pretty surprised that with all the championing of the mandatory masks decision, people don't actually expect it to be reflected in case numbers?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Is that an admission that the governments big announcement to mandate (and eventually make it written in law) mask wearing when shopping is expected to have no affect at all on the case numbers? And you wonder why some question if that is a proportionate measure?

    I'd actually infer that it's a sign the government need to put more effort into enforcement.

    Make it an offence for a shop to allow customers/staff without masks.
    Bring in fixed penalties for not wearing masks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I'm pretty surprised that with all the championing of the mandatory masks decision, people don't actually expect it to be reflected in case numbers?

    It will be reflected in the case numbers.. but without a control group how do you say we had X less cases for specific reason Y?
    For any measure?

    It was reflected in case numbers in US states as they could compare v US states who did not adopt masks.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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