Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

FintanMcluskey · 01-08-2020 01:58AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There was never a vaccine for SARS. Quickest vaccine was for mumps which took 4 years.

Thats not good, the fact a vaccine was never produced for a virus with a CFR of 10%

fritzelly · 01-08-2020 02:06AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thats not good, the fact a vaccine was never produced for a virus with a CFR of 10%

It's because of the short incubation and fatality rate that the vaccine never came to fruition
People got infected and got sick in a few days (sometimes up to a week later)
The virus eradicated itself because it was so lethal and people didn't have much opportunity to spread it

COVID is different as it can be up to 2 weeks before symptoms even show ergo wider spread and doesn't like killing too many people

podgeandrodge · 01-08-2020 02:08AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I love your way of thinking. Cruises in themselves are not risky. It's the nature of the virus and human behaviour that make it oexokode,

We can control human behaviour.
One interesting thing about diamond princess is that there was NO air recalculation yet people still got infected.

I'd book as balcony at minimum. Or upgrade. Otherwise I wouldn't go thanks.
The level of viral load is huge predictor on severe disease. We may have all been exposed in lidl but we'd never know. Totally different to a meat factory.

I'd book a balcony myself absolutely - in fact I understand that most of the cruise lines are currently proposing balconies only

In terms of the Princess, they reckon about 17% infected, and this without any of the learnings and measures now being introduced:

From February 3 to 4 the health status of all passengers and crew members was investigated by quarantine officers and upper-respiratory specimens were collected from symptomatic passengers, crew, and their close contacts for SARS-CoV-2 PCR testing. As of February 5, there were a total of 3,711 individuals with 2,666 passengers and 1,045 crew members on board the DP. The Japanese government asked about 3,600 passengers and crew members to stay on board in Yokohama during the 14-d isolation period through February 19 to prevent the further spread of COVID-19 cases. A field epidemiological study about the DP COVID-19 cases has been published (3). As of March 8, 697 COVID-19 cases had been identified among the 3,711 persons on the DP and 7 people had died (4).

During the period from February 15 to 17, 2020, we obtained pharyngeal specimens of 896 persons (880 passengers, 15 crew members, and 1 quarantine officer). A quantitative reverse-transcription PCR (RT-qPCR) test for SARS-CoV-2 was positive for 148 individuals (138 passengers, 9 crew members, and 1 quarantine officer), indicating that the positivity rate was 16.4% (147 positive individuals [excluding the officer] of 895 subjects). This positivity rate was comparable to the rate determined after finishing PCR testing for all persons [619 PCR positives for 3,711 persons, 16.6%; see National Institute of Infectious Diseases Field Briefing report for more detail.

Wolf359f · 01-08-2020 02:10AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thats not good, the fact a vaccine was never produced for a virus with a CFR of 10%

They started on a vaccine but stopped or slowed down as they virus burned out due to the high CRF and the fact you had to be symptomatic to spread it.
So different than Covid19, but both being coronaviruses. Some labs still had kept researching it to some extent. I believe the German company has repurposed their Sars vaccine for covid19.

10000maniacs · 01-08-2020 07:52AM

Ten more Darwin awards to give out this week to add to Herman Cain's one in midweek.
Ten Indian nationals die after drinking alcohol based hand sanitiser.

Onesea · 01-08-2020 08:05AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

From what I have read about the precautionary procedures, I really don't think there is much difference between being on them and appropriately social distancing, and going to the pub and having a meal and a few pints, or staying in a hotel for a few nights (which is happening all over the country, can't believe the amount of people I know staying in Killarney hotels!).

They might be bumping into, occasionally, many of the other thousands as you put it, but at least they aren't bumping into any of the other thousands that might have it at home Most of the time though, it's like a small town, and people are passing each other like ships in the night, with a bit of reasonable social distancing hopefully now!

Choices will have to be made. But if no vaccine arrives (but I think and hope there will be in early 2021), what do we do? Prevent all risk - stop all risky holidays? Prevent all mingling? Forever? **** happens and most will say that if 90% survive then 90% will choose to have a quality of life even if it's at the expense of the 10%. Human nature!

I agree with your post.
The Roman's used a method called decimation. This meant they killed just enough of an enemy population instilling fear and preventing retaliation. Iirc they reckoned 10 percent kill rate was enough to effect everyone in a population meaning everyone lost a loved one.

I would be expecting a reaction of sorts from a population which has seen a pandemic over the past half a year, however if pubs and night clubs were to open they would be packed to the rafters.

Things will be back to normal faster then we think. Inside of a month if hospital cases haven't increased the detection rate and testing will become a useless number.

Onesea · 01-08-2020 08:06AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Ten more Darwin awards to give out this week to add to Herman Cain's one in midweek.
Ten Indian nationals die after drinking alcohol based hand sanitiser.

Haven't junkies been robbing this stuff out of hospitals for years

is_that_so · 01-08-2020 08:30AM

A report from the CDC on a kids camp in Georgia, with a 44% infection rate. Lots of kids close together doing typical camp activities and a suggestion that the view of the possible role of kids in this may not be not fully accurate.

These findings demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 spread efficiently in a youth-centric overnight setting, resulting in high attack rates among persons in all age groups, despite efforts by camp officials to implement most recommended strategies to prevent transmission.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm?s_cid=mm6931e1_w

Away With The Fairies · 01-08-2020 08:43AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Swine flu vaccine not count?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html
First case April 2019, vaccine available to anyone in December of the same year.

I forgot about that one.

wadacrack · 01-08-2020 08:57AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think NPHET is going to seriously consider the idea of regional restrictions now I'll be honest. Over half (47) of cases yesterday in Dublin and Kildare, and 32 out of 38 in Dublin and Kildare today. Not good for Leinster.

Would be surprised if Dublin don;t see some restrictions within the next 6 weeks.

Paddygreen · 01-08-2020 09:13AM

Are IRMAs still a thing guys? I think George Lee should receive an award for his outstanding coverage of CV19. Putting his life at risk to keep the public informed, what a guy.

Paddygreen · 01-08-2020 09:14AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Would be surprised if Dublin don;t see some restrictions within the next 6 weeks.

They need to start by locking down Finglas.

The Unbearables · 01-08-2020 09:17AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The Script announced a free gig for healthcare frontline but not sure for when next year here though

Haven't they been through enough already..

Paddygreen · 01-08-2020 09:23AM

The Unbearables wrote: »

Haven't they been through enough already..

The Script are fantastic l, I play them all the time in the shower. It’s looking like our healthcare heros might also get to go to a free Glen Hansard gig. Wouldn’t that be lovely?

01-08-2020 09:27AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Are IRMAs still a thing guys? I think George Lee should receive an award for his outstanding coverage of CV19. Putting his life at risk to keep the public informed, what a guy.

The strain is showing Paddy. Long past the time to retire the comedy routine, there are no takers.

Rob A. Bank · 01-08-2020 09:27AM

is_that_so wrote: »

A report from the CDC on a kids camp in Georgia, with a 44% infection rate. Lots of kids close together doing typical camp activities and a suggestion that the view of the possible role of kids in this may not be not fully accurate.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm?s_cid=mm6931e1_w

It was actually 76% of the 344 campers and staffers whose test results were available to C.D.C. researchers — meaning that at least 44% of the ~ 600 people in the camp were infected. but that number could rise.

They all had to provide documentation of a negative viral SARS-CoV-2 test ≤12 days before arriving and 26% reported no symptoms when infected.

This does not augur well for the re-opening of schools and throws severe doubt on the assertion that children are unlikely to spread the virus.

Gruffalux · 01-08-2020 09:31AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The strain is showing Paddy. Long past the time to retire the comedy routine, there are no takers.

Ahhh! I like it. Always makes me smile.

is_that_so · 01-08-2020 09:33AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

It was actually 76% of the 344 campers and staffers whose test results were available to C.D.C. researchers — meaning that at least 44% of the ~ 600 people in the camp were infected. but that number could rise.

They all had to provide documentation of a negative viral SARS-CoV-2 test ≤12 days before arriving and 26% reported no symptoms when infected.

This does not augur well for the re-opening of schools and throws severe doubt on the assertion that children are unlikely to spread the virus.

Schools don't involve sleepovers and singing Kumbaya. It was also an environment where the virus was moving freely in the community. The vast majority of reopened schools system have not seen huge spreads. The question here is whether the view on the infection of children might need to be reviewed.

Rob A. Bank · 01-08-2020 09:37AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Schools don't involve sleepovers and singing Kumbaya. It was also an environment where the virus was moving freely in the community. The vast majority of reopened schools system have not seen huge spreads. The question here is whether the view on the infection of children might need to be reviewed.

Boarding schools ?

Widdensushi · 01-08-2020 09:39AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

It was actually 76% of the 344 campers and staffers whose test results were available to C.D.C. researchers — meaning that at least 44% of the ~ 600 people in the camp were infected. but that number could rise.

They all had to provide documentation of a negative viral SARS-CoV-2 test ≤12 days before arriving and 26% reported no symptoms when infected.

This does not augur well for the re-opening of schools and throws severe doubt on the assertion that children are unlikely to spread the virus.

The virus was rampant in their area so many of them could have had it going in there.

jackboy · 01-08-2020 09:51AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

This does not augur well for the re-opening of schools and throws severe doubt on the assertion that children are unlikely to spread the virus.

Schools all over Europe have been opened with little impact on the spread of the virus apart from isolated cases of infection spikes. It seems that it just takes some minor adjustments in the normal school routine to prevent significant spikes.

Of course children can spread the virus to some degree but it is clear that the significant spreaders are adults doing things like going to packed pubs and working in environments with little social distance.

From what we know at this moment, it is clear that the schools should reopen.

Rob A. Bank · 01-08-2020 09:52AM

The largest cluster in the Melbourne Australia outbreak is linked to a school.

184 cases have been linked to Al-Taqwa College according to today's report from the Victoria Department of Health and Human Resources.

Boggles · 01-08-2020 09:55AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

The virus was rampant in their area so many of them could have had it going in there.

They couldn't attend the camp unless they had a negative test.

polesheep · 01-08-2020 10:09AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sourc? umerica was doing really well as regards testing until people start dying.

Lots of people quoting. It must be a weaker strain. Its changing.

BBC2 Newsnight 30/07/2020. Leicester health officials puzzled at falling hospitalisations and deaths post significant spike.

01-08-2020 10:12AM

We don't hear a lot of advice on toilets. I am terrified of public or business toilets, especially the cubicles where people defecate.

Away With The Fairies · 01-08-2020 10:14AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We don't hear a lot of advice on toilets. I am terrified of public or business toilets, especially the cubicles where people defecate.

And very few of them with open windows. Also if the virus is aerosolised, shouldn't there be some time given before next use. But there's no one policing public toilets or closing them off after use.

Plumbthedepths · 01-08-2020 10:16AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We don't hear a lot of advice on toilets. I am terrified of public or business toilets, especially the cubicles where people defecate.

What advice do you need? Don't lick the seat prehaps.
Flush and wash your hands.

LiquidZeb · 01-08-2020 10:19AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

100% this

I really wish people would stop with vaccine talk on and offline, it's an absolute pipe dream

The only thing that will save us from Covid is:
It dying out more and more (but I don't think completely for years). Or,

Highly effective treatments

That's all we have. But it could be enough

Right get onto Oxford and Dr Fauci and let them know that it's a pipe dream. It's actually ridiculous how arrogant some people are here in the face of any good news.

Gruffalux · 01-08-2020 10:19AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What advice do you need? Don't lick the seat prehaps.
Flush and wash your hands.

Put down the lid before flush.

bush · 01-08-2020 10:19AM

Deleted User wrote: »

We don't hear a lot of advice on toilets. I am terrified of public or business toilets, especially the cubicles where people defecate.

Nappy up

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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