Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Deisekickboxing · 31-07-2020 11:59PM

Masks shmasks:rolleyes:

Back to op can't see non food pubs opening till mid September at earliest

mountgomery burns · 31-07-2020 11:59PM

If I was a publican I'd find it particularly galling how school openings have somehow been fired into this debate.

Closed for 4 months when most other countries in Europe had reopened them in some capacity a couple of months previously, and not due to open for another 6 weeks and yet somehow they espouse that this a way of prioritizing their reopening??

And this is a moral dilemma not thrust at any other sector. Shows a real contempt for them to not allow them the opportunity to operate safely, and then suggest letting them open could jeopardize children's safety in a way nothing else apparently could.

weldoninhio · 01-08-2020 12:21AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's correct, it's happening, one near me was raided.

More hearsay. Excellent. Hearsay is my favourite.

I heard the Coronavirus has claws as big as cups. It has four ears, two for listening and two "are sort of back-up ears". Some might be on the inside of its head. It has a retractable leg so it "can leap up at you better". It has magnets on its tail, so "if you're made out of metal, it can attach itself to you". It lights up at night. It has a tremendous fear of stamps. Its yawn sounds like Liam Neeson chasing a load of hens around inside a barrel. It has no mouth, but instead has four arses. It only has eyebrows on Saturdays. It lives "on the place where there should be moors". It makes a "terrible howling noise". It is the size of a jaguar (the cat not the car). It has got big white teeth, as sharp as knives.

A lad I know had it and told me.

John O.Groats · 01-08-2020 12:27AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

More hearsay. Excellent. Hearsay is my favourite.

I heard the Coronavirus has claws as big as cups. It has four ears, two for listening and two "are sort of back-up ears". Some might be on the inside of its head. It has a retractable leg so it "can leap up at you better". It has magnets on its tail, so "if you're made out of metal, it can attach itself to you". It lights up at night. It has a tremendous fear of stamps. Its yawn sounds like Liam Neeson chasing a load of hens around inside a barrel. It has no mouth, but instead has four arses. It only has eyebrows on Saturdays. It lives "on the place where there should be moors". It makes a "terrible howling noise". It is the size of a jaguar (the cat not the car). It has got big white teeth, as sharp as knives.

A lad I know had it.

Are you feeling alright mate?

StupidLikeAFox · 01-08-2020 12:32AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

More hearsay. Excellent. Hearsay is my favourite.

I heard the Coronavirus has claws as big as cups. It has four ears, two for listening and two "are sort of back-up ears". Some might be on the inside of its head. It has a retractable leg so it "can leap up at you better". It has magnets on its tail, so "if you're made out of metal, it can attach itself to you". It lights up at night. It has a tremendous fear of stamps. Its yawn sounds like Liam Neeson chasing a load of hens around inside a barrel. It has no mouth, but instead has four arses. It only has eyebrows on Saturdays. It lives "on the place where there should be moors". It makes a "terrible howling noise". It is the size of a jaguar (the cat not the car). It has got big white teeth, as sharp as knives.

A lad I know had it and told me.

I hear it has four arses

hynesie08 · 01-08-2020 12:38AM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Are you feeling alright mate?

He's fine, his prize sheep just got spooked

StupidLikeAFox · 01-08-2020 12:40AM

Risteard81 wrote: »

During a June 8 press briefing, Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO technical lead for COVID-19, said that asymptomatic spread is "very rare."

They also recently admitted that any recommendation in favour of stupid gas masks by them was due to political pressure, and not on the merits of such a policy.

Don't forget however:
"Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead on the Covid-19 pandemic, made it very clear that the actual rates of asymptomatic transmission aren’t yet known."

In fact:
“The WHO created confusion yesterday when it reported that asymptomatic patients rarely spread the disease,” an email from the Harvard Global Health Institute said Tuesday. “All of the best evidence suggests that people without symptoms can and do readily spread SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19. In fact, some evidence suggests that people may be most infectious in the days before they become symptomatic — that is, in the presymptomatic phase when they feel well, have no symptoms, but may be shedding substantial amounts of virus.”

Strumms · 01-08-2020 02:29AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

If I was a publican I'd find it particularly galling how school openings have somehow been fired into this debate.

Closed for 4 months when most other countries in Europe had reopened them in some capacity a couple of months previously, and not due to open for another 6 weeks and yet somehow they espouse that this a way of prioritizing their reopening??

And this is a moral dilemma not thrust at any other sector. Shows a real contempt for them to not allow them the opportunity to operate safely, and then suggest letting them open could jeopardize children's safety in a way nothing else apparently could.

The problems isn’t pubs and operating safely, they can install partitions between tables, between seats, put up signage and make every reasonable effort and more, it’s the patrons having had four drinks, five drinks and more and all inhibitions and caution goes out the window...

Can you imagine the carnage, the first night in Dublin ? That is GOING to unfold ? I’d hate to be a pub employee be it barman or security, Garda, hospital a&e doctor , ambulance paramedic etc... with no limit on how long you can stay, how much you can purchase...it will probably be grim.

hynesie08 · 01-08-2020 03:16AM

Strumms wrote: »

The problems isn’t pubs and operating safely, they can install partitions between tables, between seats, put up signage and make every reasonable effort and more, it’s the patrons having had four drinks, five drinks and more and all inhibitions and caution goes out the window...

Can you imagine the carnage, the first night in Dublin ? That is GOING to unfold ? I’d hate to be a pub employee be it barman or security, Garda, hospital a&e doctor , ambulance paramedic etc... with no limit on how long you can stay, how much you can purchase...it will probably be grim.

Why single out Dublin?? But also not a single person is asking for a complete unrestricted opening of all pubs, but there is no reason not to open pubs with contact tracing and social distancing, and if a pub breaks the rules, shut them down, but that's up to the people in charge, but just cause that fat prick on primetime harassed minimum wage workers, doesn't mean it's not working....

freak scence · 01-08-2020 04:27AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Oh no that certainly wasnt all. In fact I could have torn it "asounder" but didnt see the need tbh.

Good girl Michael will give you a few boxsets and a 10% pay rise

Quantum Erasure · 01-08-2020 05:00AM

Fücking hell...

01-08-2020 05:05AM

Can't see pubs opening if numbers are trending upwards.

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-08-2020 05:09AM

Strumms wrote: »

The problems isn’t pubs and operating safely, they can install partitions between tables, between seats, put up signage and make every reasonable effort and more, it’s the patrons having had four drinks, five drinks and more and all inhibitions and caution goes out the window...

Can you imagine the carnage, the first night in Dublin ? That is GOING to unfold ? I’d hate to be a pub employee be it barman or security, Garda, hospital a&e doctor , ambulance paramedic etc... with no limit on how long you can stay, how much you can purchase...it will probably be grim.

Yeah that first night will be grim. But it's going to happen whenever that is, and it will more than likely be prior to a vaccine.

Better for it to be now than when its cold wet out and people are forced inside and coughing sneezing. I just don't see what putting it off for a few weeks does?

drunkmonkey · 01-08-2020 06:28AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Why single out Dublin??

A video from Templebar is what closed pubs in the first place, Dublin has cases every day. It's impossible to control the pubs there. Rural pubs aren't near as risky to open and should be opened immediately. We can't keep treating Dublin and Cahirsiveen as one of the same. It's like you getting grounded for what your big brother did, it's grossly unfair.

01-08-2020 06:43AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A video from Templebar is what closed pubs in the first place, Dublin has cases every day. It's impossible to control the pubs there. Rural pubs aren't near as risky to open and should be opened immediately. We can't keep treating Dublin and Cahirsiveen as one of the same. It's like you getting grounded for what your big brother did, it's grossly unfair.

What happens when the Cahirsiveen pub gets packed? Will it still get special treatment?

drunkmonkey · 01-08-2020 07:14AM

6 wrote: »

What happens when the Cahirsiveen pub gets packed? Will it still get special treatment?

Your missing the point. Even a packed pub in Cahirsiveen is way less of a risk than any Dublin pub as the virus has never left Dublin. I'd lump Kildare in with Dublin as well, the ban should only apply to those to counties at present.
Dublin are the ones getting special treatment all along, the whole country didn't need a lockdown but we had to protect Dubliners feelings #inthistogethet.

Jizique · 01-08-2020 07:17AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yeah that first night will be grim. But it's going to happen whenever that is, and it will more than likely be prior to a vaccine.

Better for it to be now than when its cold wet out and people are forced inside and coughing sneezing. I just don't see what putting it off for a few weeks does?

Are the pubs that are open still enforcing the 105 minutes?

Fuascailteoir · 01-08-2020 07:20AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Your missing the point. Even a packed pub in Cahirsiveen is way less of a risk than any Dublin pub as the virus has never left Dublin. I'd lump Kildare in with Dublin as well, the ban should only apply to those to counties at present.
Dublin are the ones getting special treatment all along, the whole country didn't need a lockdown but we had to protect Dubliners feelings #inthistogethet.

Cavan was probably worse hit per capita than Dublin. Monaghan not far behind.

drunkmonkey · 01-08-2020 07:29AM

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Cavan was probably worse hit per capita than Dublin. Monaghan not far behind.

I think it's the wrong metric to look at, Dublin & Kildare have reported cases most days. The larger population will always have a per capita advantage due to dilution but it's spread can be much larger if left unchecked.

deckie66 · 01-08-2020 07:41AM

Jizique wrote: »

Are the pubs that are open still enforcing the 105 minutes?

Not in any i've been to unless they actually are booked out and need the table back.

usual set up is order a pint, get some food, sit back after and have 3 or 4 pints.

Everyone is out earlier than normal and most places are quiet by 10pm

01-08-2020 07:42AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A video from Templebar is what closed pubs in the first place, Dublin has cases every day. It's impossible to control the pubs there. Rural pubs aren't near as risky to open and should be opened immediately. We can't keep treating Dublin and Cahirsiveen as one of the same. It's like you getting grounded for what your big brother did, it's grossly unfair.

Except no Dubs drink in Temple Bar, tourists do. Tourists aren't here anymore, Temple Bar will be utterly ****ing dead.

Impossible to control pubs in Dublin? What world do you live in?

mountgomery burns · 01-08-2020 08:10AM

Strumms wrote: »

The problems isn’t pubs and operating safely, they can install partitions between tables, between seats, put up signage and make every reasonable effort and more, it’s the patrons having had four drinks, five drinks and more and all inhibitions and caution goes out the window...

Can you imagine the carnage, the first night in Dublin ? That is GOING to unfold ? I’d hate to be a pub employee be it barman or security, Garda, hospital a&e doctor , ambulance paramedic etc... with no limit on how long you can stay, how much you can purchase...it will probably be grim.

Anti social behaviour is not why the pubs have been closed for 4 and a half months unless we have all been shockingly misled this whole time

drunkmonkey · 01-08-2020 08:18AM

AdamD wrote: »

Impossible to control pubs in Dublin? What world do you live in?

Dubs have shown themselves to be a bit silly, BLM protests, LGBT vs National party a couple of weeks ago, there's no need for any of that during a pandemic. Dublin reports daily cases every day. Who threw caution to the wind with tourist, Dublin did and profited from it. I was in Templebar 2 weeks ago, it was dead, was a case of spot the Irish person, seen a few tourists wheeling around suitcases etc.
The population is too large to control there and the risk of widespread infection is huge.

MickeyLeari · 01-08-2020 08:45AM

Rural pubs need to open. They are the centre of many communities and it is not about people having a skinful or pints. It is community and it is shocking that they are still closed. By all means open them with restrictions but let them open.

Mrs OBumble · 01-08-2020 10:03AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Rural pubs need to open. They are the centre of many communities and it is not about people having a skinful or pints. It is community and it is shocking that they are still closed. By all means open them with restrictions but let them open.

Rural communities need to take a long hard look at themselves if a boozer is what they've centered around.

Build proper community facilities that aren't based on booze.

Or recentre.

My prediction for 2020: non-food pubs won't reopen.

The HorsesMouth · 01-08-2020 10:04AM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Rural communities need to take a long hard look at themselves if a boozer is what they've centered around.

Build proper community facilities that aren't based on booze.

Or recentre.

My prediction for 2020: non-food pubs won't reopen.

Prediction or wish?

Mrs OBumble · 01-08-2020 10:07AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Prediction or wish?

Prediction.

I like a pint as much as the next person.

But it will continue to be too risky.

weldoninhio · 01-08-2020 10:21AM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Prediction.

I like a pint as much as the next person.

But it will continue to be too risky.

There is literally zero evidence that it is too risky. NI has had its pubs open for weeks. Same as other European countries. If they were causing clusters it’d be all over the news as a stick to beat pubs with.

bladespin · 01-08-2020 10:26AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

There is literally zero evidence that it is too risky. NI has had its pubs open for weeks. Same as other European countries. If they were causing clusters it’d be all over the news as a stick to beat pubs with.

A lot of the locals in Barcelona are blaming the opening of the clubs there for the clusters they’ve had, not much like our rural pub maybe but the bigger urban outlets would be a direct comparison.

hmmm · 01-08-2020 10:27AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

There is literally zero evidence that it is too risky. NI has had its pubs open for weeks. Same as other European countries. If they were causing clusters it’d be all over the news as a stick to beat pubs with.

I know people are suffering who own or work in pubs, but unfortunately there is plenty of evidence worldwide that pubs are high-risk. I don't know how any government could open them before schools, they'd never be able to explain to the country why they allowed it and schools had to remain closed if we saw a spike in cases as a consequence.

The only thing I could see is beer-gardens being allowed to open. Then if we got schools open, and if cases didn't increase significantly, look again at pubs.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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