Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

MickeyLeari · 31-07-2020 09:17PM

Strumms wrote: »

I can see your point but I’d urge caution on that particular comparison and the message it might send out...1765 people killed by covid in a few months. Half a year say, in this country. I don’t think 765 people have been killed in bus collisions in 20 years.

30000 people die every year. Heart disease, cancer, respiratory diseases, strokes.....old age. It is a very dangerous viral infection and evidence is that it has lasting effects but it is not the only disease.

ShineOn7 · 31-07-2020 09:17PM

fritzelly wrote: »

It's a quoted post, whats all the hullaballoo

exactly!

LiquidZeb · 31-07-2020 09:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah r/Ireland is a cesspit. Awful place altogether.

I'd avoid it like the plague. Full of plastic paddies and Yanks larping.

ShineOn7 · 31-07-2020 09:19PM

owlbethere wrote: »

There should have been isolation centres set up for covid positive people.

I believe City West is still there for that Owl

Vertigo100 · 31-07-2020 09:19PM

One of the limerick cases was a child in a crèche. I would assume then most of the other 6 are the child’s family and maybe someone from the pod the child was in.

Charles Babbage · 31-07-2020 09:20PM

polesheep wrote: »

Local restrictions will never work in our small country. They may try it, but it won't work. Provinces don't really exist anymore other than for GAA. There are people living in Cavan who work and socialise in Dublin.

It may be a case of either local restrictions or national ones and why should one area suffer when the problem is elsewhere?

caveat emptor · 31-07-2020 09:24PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

You think Ireland are really going for Zero Covid when our airports are still a joke?

I admire you optimism, but it'll never happen

I do actually. It might take another bit of a wave to garner the support. MR O'Leary has a clear conflict of interest when deciding what is good for public health.
I think he forgets that we are in the midst of a pandemic.
Public opinion will not be kind to him and his court case.
We've all had to make massive sacrifices during this.
Some have made the ultimate sacrifice.
A pandemic caused by a biosafety level 4 agent is perhaps the third worse thing that can happen to a nation.
Only famine and war could be deemed worse.

I think he is in for a rude awaking in court considering he is suing all of us.

podgeandrodge · 31-07-2020 09:25PM

ShineOn7 · 31-07-2020 09:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I think he is in for a rude awaking in court considering he is suing all of us.

Yes he overstepped the mark big time in the last few weeks, but especially in the last few days

And yet the Ryanair share price has somehow gone slightly up this week!

Jim_Hodge · 31-07-2020 09:28PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Our government is to blame for this 100%. There were trusting the population to do the right thing and that's never going to happen from some people. Greed and selfishness will take them people over. There should have been isolation centres set up for covid positive people.

What would isolation centres do to encourage people with symptoms to self isolate before contacting their GP? Sweet FA. Quite the opposite in fact.

Did you read the piece in question at all???

caveat emptor · 31-07-2020 09:30PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yes he overstepped the mark big time in the last few weeks, but especially in the last few days

And yet the Ryanair share has somehow gone slightly up this week!

They got 600 million pounds from the UK for nothing.
They continually engage in share buy backs to boost the share price.

It's a mega F U to all of us.
How can a share price go up when traffic will be down 60%.
I'd say they spent every last penny of that relief fund propping up the share price.

Jim_Hodge · 31-07-2020 09:31PM

polesheep wrote: »

Local restrictions will never work in our small country. They may try it, but it won't work. Provinces don't really exist anymore other than for GAA. There are people living in Cavan who work and socialise in Dublin.

Perhaps the socialising is part of the problem.

ShineOn7 · 31-07-2020 09:33PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

They got 600 million pounds from the UK for nothing.
They continually engage in share buy backs to boost the share price.

It's a mega F U to all of us.
How can a share price go up when traffic will be down 60%.
I'd say they spent every last penny of that relieve fund propping up the share price.

I was trying to figure out how the share price didn't hit the floor and you explained why there

What a farce

polesheep · 31-07-2020 09:33PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yes he overstepped the mark big time in the last few weeks, but especially in the last few days

And yet the Ryanair share has somehow gone slightly up this week!

Ryanair's market is considerably younger than Aer Lingus'. The kind of people who aren't directly affected by Covid. He knows exactly what he's doing.

polesheep · 31-07-2020 09:33PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

It may be a case of either local restrictions or national ones and why should one area suffer when the problem is elsewhere?

It can't work.

owlbethere · 31-07-2020 09:35PM

Vertigo100 wrote: »

One of the limerick cases was a child in a crèche. I would assume then most of the other 6 are the child’s family and maybe someone from the pod the child was in.

What is the history with the child case. Was the virus picked up in crèche or outside of crèche. What were the child's symptoms as in was it a mild dose?

ShineOn7 · 31-07-2020 09:39PM

polesheep wrote: »

Ryanair's market is considerably younger than Aer Lingus'. The kind of people who aren't directly affected by Covid. He knows exactly what he's doing.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd be interested in seeing data that backed that up

Because most half savvy travelers these days simply use Google Flights or Sky Scanner to work out the cheapest prices for them and go from there

And many older travelers get their kids to book it this way for them. So there's still plenty of over 60s flying with Ryanair and still many, many younger travellers going with Aer Lingus

It all depends what Google Flights and Sky Scanner throws up

Many have been biting their tongue with Ryanair's many questionable business practices over the years, but I really feel this week that O Leary lost them a lot of regular passengers with his behavior

There's a line and he crossed it

ACitizenErased · 31-07-2020 09:41PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What is the history with the child case. Was the virus picked up in crèche or outside of crèche. What were the child's symptoms as in was it a mild dose?

Those are oddly specific questions that you will never ever get the answer to

caveat emptor · 31-07-2020 09:48PM

polesheep wrote: »

Ryanair's market is considerably younger than Aer Lingus'. The kind of people who aren't directly affected by Covid. He knows exactly what he's doing.

They have each and every one of us down to a t.
We are all classified in terms of the types of travel, age profile, duration.

They know the routes people take weather it be for family visits or holidays and price is altered accordingly.

This is perfectly legal but during a pandemic I would say it's immoral to encourage young and probably asymptomatic people to travel via advertising.

The courts will hopefully rule in favour of the health of the public.
We'll find out how independent our judiciary is pretty quick.

ACitizenErased · 31-07-2020 09:53PM

There's another cruise ship outbreak. This time among crew members on a vessel in Tromso, Norway. 160 crew members are quarantined on board. The 177 passengers have already disembarked. Uh-oh.

caveat emptor · 31-07-2020 10:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's another cruise ship outbreak. This time among crew members on a vessel in Tromso, Norway. 160 crew members are quarantined on board. The 177 passengers have already disembarked. Uh-oh.

I love boats. Who the fvck in their right mind would get on one these days.
Seriously.

Beanybabog · 31-07-2020 10:08PM

The Ryanair case is a Judicial Review. It is more concerned about the decision making process and the legalities of it. One of the main arguments is going to be the 14 days isolation is mandatory in effect and amounts to law making and therefore should have been passed by the houses of the oireachtas - the government says its only advisory. I think they’ll lose that argument given public servants have to take two weeks off if they travel.

There are other arguments too but in reality the Judge could think that travel restrictions are completely necessary and still rule in Ryanair’s favour because it’s not about that- it’s about the process. The judge won’t decide what should be the situation in relation to travel, he/she will make a quashing order. It’ll still be open to the government to legislate in respect of travel- which is probably what they should have done already. I don’t know why people are so upset here at the idea of them taking the case- if the government weren’t acting unlawfully you’ve nothing to worry about.

ACitizenErased · 31-07-2020 10:09PM

HSE Daily Operations Update

7 in hospital, increase of 1.
1 confirmed case in the last 24 hours in Cavan.
4 in ICU and 2 ventilated, no change.

Beaumont -- (1)
Cavan -- (1)
Temple Street +1 (1)
Drogheda -- (1)
Mater -- (1)
Sligo -- (1)
Tallaght -- (1)

caveat emptor · 31-07-2020 10:11PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

He's probably the best paid up multilevel marketing scheme member I've ever seen. He was really funny until he said navy seal and hydration.

owlbethere · 31-07-2020 10:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's another cruise ship outbreak. This time among crew members on a vessel in Tromso, Norway. 160 crew members are quarantined on board. The 177 passengers have already disembarked. Uh-oh.

The passengers disembarked to go on their ways wherever they came from. Christ.

If my cruise holiday goes ahead, I'm definitely 100% not going.

Vertigo100 · 31-07-2020 10:11PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What is the history with the child case. Was the virus picked up in crèche or outside of crèche. What were the child's symptoms as in was it a mild dose?

Not sure where the child picked it up but the only symptom was a runny nose. Other than that the child was fine.

What Username Guidelines · 31-07-2020 10:16PM

Vertigo100 wrote: »

Not sure where the child picked it up but the only symptom was a runny nose. Other than that the child was fine.

Bit of a nightmare scenario, I know a few of my friends kids have constant runny noses.

Speaking of which, was chatting with friends about the negative effects this may pose for children. I know, I know, someone will jump in and say covid is worse, but kids get sick all the time with bugs and colds and it helps prime and build immune systems. Wonder if it’ll have any lingering effects from distancing, pods, rigorous hand washing, etc.

caveat emptor · 31-07-2020 10:19PM

Beanybabog wrote: »

The Ryanair case is a Judicial Review. It is more concerned about the decision making process and the legalities of it. One of the main arguments is going to be the 14 days isolation is mandatory in effect and amounts to law making and therefore should have been passed by the houses of the oireachtas - the government says its only advisory. I think they’ll lose that argument given public servants have to take two weeks off if they travel.

There are other arguments too but in reality the Judge could think that travel restrictions are completely necessary and still rule in Ryanair’s favour because it’s not about that- it’s about the process. The judge won’t decide what should be the situation in relation to travel, he/she will make a quashing order. It’ll still be open to the government to legislate in respect of travel- which is probably what they should have done already. I don’t know why people are so upset here at the idea of them taking the case- if the government weren’t acting unlawfully you’ve nothing to worry about.

Good summary. Thanks for sharing.
I get it's a point on the process. They should have legislated.
I don't think Ryanair would have been happy if the government legislated for travel restrictions. I've no doubt the green list formed some form of quid pro quo where the gov didn't explicitly say don't travel to keep their backers happy and allowed Ryanair to subversively carry on. I find it very strange that they file on the day of the first north / south summit in 4 years. It really is strange times when the leader of Sinn Fein in the north is calling for a British / Irish council. Her and Arlene on the same side must have terrified the airlines. I see are are lingus announced that that they have to "review" cork and Shannon today of all days. It's pretty transparent from where I'm sitting (me ma's box room

(sarcasm)

I honestly think the zerocovid thing will be the least painful thing as regards the economies of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland and United Kingdom.

The whack amole, regional rolling lockdowns experienced in the UK will become the norm and economic expense will be such that the cost of imposing mandatory quarantine on visitors far outweighs any potential benefit from visitor spend.

I think the governments have come to this conclusion and airlines aren't happy.

fritzelly · 31-07-2020 10:30PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's another cruise ship outbreak. This time among crew members on a vessel in Tromso, Norway. 160 crew members are quarantined on board. The 177 passengers have already disembarked. Uh-oh.

Is this the sequel?

Santy2015 · 31-07-2020 10:31PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Bit of a nightmare scenario, I know a few of my friends kids have constant runny noses.

Speaking of which, was chatting with friends about the negative effects this may pose for children. I know, I know, someone will jump in and say covid is worse, but kids get sick all the time with bugs and colds and it helps prime and build immune systems. Wonder if it’ll have any lingering effects from distancing, pods, rigorous hand washing, etc.

I was thinking the same, but for adults as well. I always got some reason have a bit of a runny nose every morning for as long as I remember, only lasts 30/40 mins so fine by the time I reach work.
With all the excellent hygiene and so on,it’s possible it’ll actually make it easier for us to pick up bugs not harder. Anything at all could mean your putting toilet paper in the fridge!!

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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