Is it just me or have SF vanished?

jm08 · 30-07-2020 03:05PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I would guess that every political party would like to do this, but none of them have the finances that Sinn Fein have gathered in over the years from various activities.

Would that be because it benefits the TDs/Party members to own the property so that they can rent it out as constituency offices. So instead of the rent income going to FFG, it goes into the pockets of FFG / TD / Councillor pockets?

Here is the list of interests of TDs. Not many SF TDs on it!
https://extra.ie/2020/01/31/news/politics/election-tds-landlords-dail

blanch152 · 30-07-2020 03:22PM

jm08 wrote: »

Would that be because it benefits the TDs/Party members to own the property so that they can rent it out as constituency offices. So instead of the rent income going to FFG, it goes into the pockets of FFG / TD / Councillor pockets?

Here is the list of interests of TDs. Not many SF TDs on it!
https://extra.ie/2020/01/31/news/politics/election-tds-landlords-dail

Is that the one that Gerry "forgot" to list his properties and pensions on?

jm08 · 30-07-2020 04:34PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Is that the one that Gerry "forgot" to list his properties and pensions on?

No. Its a 2020 list. Gerry isn't a TD anymore. For the record, I don't think anyone would list their pensions.

Give over Blanch, you haven't thought this attack angle through!

maccored · 30-07-2020 05:10PM

Truthvader wrote: »

The "problem" is that they are pretending to survive on the average industrial wage. I don't believe they are.

the tds are more than likely are - the party is the one spending the money.

Funny how the party that is apparently so economically useless manages to make their bucks last longer - for which they get ridiculed.

Truthvader · 30-07-2020 06:10PM

jm08 wrote: »

Pearse Doherty didn't buy the Constituency Office, Sinn Fein did, which might suggest that SF TDs just taking the average industrial wage and donating the rest to the party is the reason why Sinn Fein has so much money that they can buy constituency offices.

Or maybe everything is paid for by "the party" so the TD's are free to spend "the average industrial wage" on beer and holidays

As to where "the Party might get its money you'd have to ask Uncle Slab. Mary Lou says he is a "very nice" man so I'm sure he'll be anxious to help

Truthvader · 30-07-2020 06:12PM

maccored wrote: »

the tds are more than likely are - the party is the one spending the money.

Funny how the party that is apparently so economically useless manages to make their bucks last longer - for which they get ridiculed.

A bit like Trump, if you start off with, say £26 million, it gives you an edge

blanch152 · 30-07-2020 07:42PM

jm08 wrote: »

Would that be because it benefits the TDs/Party members to own the property so that they can rent it out as constituency offices. So instead of the rent income going to FFG, it goes into the pockets of FFG / TD / Councillor pockets?

Here is the list of interests of TDs. Not many SF TDs on it!
https://extra.ie/2020/01/31/news/politics/election-tds-landlords-dail

You mean like Donnachadh O'Laoghaire does?

Yeah_Right · 31-07-2020 09:21AM

jm08 wrote: »

The purchase of the Donegal Property was a Constituency Office for Pearse Doherty. So they own their own Constituency Offices instead of paying out to landlords!

Whats the problem with doing that?

I suppose it's a good way to wash money earned from selling diesel and narcotics and from robbing banks.

JohnnyFlash · 31-07-2020 09:59AM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I suppose it's a good way to wash money earned from selling diesel and narcotics and from robbing banks.

How any party in the Republic can own 50 properties and hire 200 ‘employees’ is astonishing considering the trivial limits we have on political donations in this country. Where did the money come from? In fairness, a good few journalists are starting to lift the slates and examine the insects crawling around under them.

Rodney Bathgate · 31-07-2020 10:02AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How any party in the Republic can own 50 properties and hire 200 ‘employees’ is astonishing considering the trivial limits we have on political donations in this country. Where did the money come from? In fairness, a good few journalists are starting to life the slates and examine the insects crawling around under them.

That lad who cut his own penis off left them a fortune in his will apparently.

JohnnyFlash · 31-07-2020 10:06AM

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

That lad who cut his own penis off left them a fortune in his will apparently.

Overseas donations cannot be used to fund political parties operating in this country. Something very off about this property portfolio. There’s a huge story here.

Rodney Bathgate · 31-07-2020 10:14AM

Maybe they wisely invested the EUR 30 million they received for training FARC guerillas in Colombia a while back.

Truthvader · 31-07-2020 10:19AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Overseas donations cannot be used to fund political parties operating in this country. Something very off about this property portfolio. There’s a huge story here.

Now now you should all know the rule here. Any mention of an "unfortunate" murder or where money comes from etc will..........

Come on boys you know this....

What will it do boys.....

It will............

jeopardise......

Oh come on boys what will it jeopardise..........

It will jeopardise the what boys..........

"The Peace Process"

We've been over and over this boys and still some of you just don't seem to be getting it. Some of you will be sent to Mr Adams office if this keeps up

jm08 · 31-07-2020 11:22AM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I suppose it's a good way to wash money earned from selling diesel and narcotics and from robbing banks.

First of all, as far as I know, the rules for getting funding from foreigners in NI are different to what they are in ROI (and rest of UK). Remember how the DUP funded a Leave leaflet that was distributed in London and didn't have to declare where the money came from for it.

Secondly, Sinn Fein has been running fundraising dinners in the US for a long time where people like Gerry Adams or now Mary Lou would speak at them (like this one that Trump is at in 1995)! - A posher version of the Galway tent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-attended-sinn-f-in-fundraiser-months-before-ira-attacked-london-a6767601.html

And then there was that Englishman who left Sinn Fein €4.6m in his will last year to piss off the British Government!

FrancieBrady · 31-07-2020 11:27AM

Truthvader wrote: »

Now now you should all know the rule here. Any mention of an "unfortunate" murder or where money comes from etc will..........

Come on boys you know this....

What will it do boys.....

It will............

jeopardise......

Oh come on boys what will it jeopardise..........

It will jeopardise the what boys..........

"The Peace Process"

We've been over and over this boys and still some of you just don't seem to be getting it. Some of you will be sent to Mr Adams office if this keeps up

Pretty wild conspiracy theory which is damning of the institutions of the state and government that Truthvader.

Any evidence for it, would be interesting to see if you have it?

jm08 · 31-07-2020 11:27AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How any party in the Republic can own 50 properties and hire 200 ‘employees’ is astonishing considering the trivial limits we have on political donations in this country. Where did the money come from? In fairness, a good few journalists are starting to lift the slates and examine the insects crawling around under them.

Like all parties here, run fundraisers (like dinners at so much a plate).

I have no doubt that Sinn Fein's financial dealings are very keenly monitored by the other parties, Gardai and Revenue Commissioners.

Friends of Sinn Fein (in US, Canada, Australia etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_Sinn_F%C3%A9in

The bulk of the money raised for the party came from the annual fundraising diner held by Friends of Sinn Féin at the Sheraton Hotel in Manhattan last November.
More than €13 million has been raised by the organisation since it was established more than two decades ago as part of the peace process

And Irish Times saying that the fundraising dinner in New York recently raised nearly $300k.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/friends-of-sinn-f%C3%A9in-raises-a-further-294-790-in-the-us-1.4295831

coolshannagh28 · 31-07-2020 01:02PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How any party in the Republic can own 50 properties and hire 200 ‘employees’ is astonishing considering the trivial limits we have on political donations in this country. Where did the money come from? In fairness, a good few journalists are starting to lift the slates and examine the insects crawling around under them.

You cannot seriously think its 50 properties.

JohnnyFlash · 31-07-2020 01:04PM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

You cannot seriously think its 50 properties.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-is-the-richest-political-party-in-ireland-1.4193124

Sinn Féin is the richest political party on the island of Ireland, with about 200 staff and, according to its director of finance, Des Mackin, an extensive network of more than 50 properties.

They have more staff than the Republican or Democratic parties in the US. Amazing stuff really.

Fann Linn · 31-07-2020 01:16PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-is-the-richest-political-party-in-ireland-1.4193124

Sinn Féin is the richest political party on the island of Ireland, with about 200 staff and, according to its director of finance, Des Mackin, an extensive network of more than 50 properties.

They have more staff than the Republican or Democratic parties in the US. Amazing stuff really.

Looks like a serious professional and well run outfit.

JohnnyFlash · 31-07-2020 01:19PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Looks like a serious professional and well run outfit.

Where’s the money coming from, dude? Employing 200 people would cost millions every year. Who is funding them?

Fann Linn · 31-07-2020 01:22PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Where’s the money coming from, dude? Employing 200 people would cost millions every year. Who is funding them?

UK millionaires, US fundraisers, Irish/UK taxpayers?
Largest all Ireland party.

JohnnyFlash · 31-07-2020 01:24PM

jm08 wrote: »

Like all parties here, run fundraisers (like dinners at so much a plate).

I have no doubt that Sinn Fein's financial dealings are very keenly monitored by the other parties, Gardai and Revenue Commissioners.

Friends of Sinn Fein (in US, Canada, Australia etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_Sinn_F%C3%A9in

And Irish Times saying that the fundraising dinner in New York recently raised nearly $300k.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/friends-of-sinn-f%C3%A9in-raises-a-further-294-790-in-the-us-1.4295831

Foreign money cannot be used to fund political parties in the Republic.

Truthvader · 31-07-2020 01:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Pretty wild conspiracy theory which is damning of the institutions of the state and government that Truthvader.

Any evidence for it, would be interesting to see if you have it?

Really??

Well the decision to release the murderers of Garda McCabe for kick off

Poor_old_gill · 31-07-2020 01:42PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-is-the-richest-political-party-in-ireland-1.4193124

Sinn Féin is the richest political party on the island of Ireland, with about 200 staff and, according to its director of finance, Des Mackin, an extensive network of more than 50 properties.

They have more staff than the Republican or Democratic parties in the US. Amazing stuff really.

I know there are regular comparisons between SF & Trump due to their approach when it comes to Social Media & the constant attacking of everything that anyone else does - once again though it is fantastically Trumpian how the richest party in the country have convinced voters that they are 'of the people'.

Beggars belief to be honest

FrancieBrady · 31-07-2020 01:48PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Really??

Well the decision to release the murderers of Garda McCabe for kick off

Em... that was a transparently negotiated part of an international agreement between two sovereign governments Truth. Both sides had access to it and used it.
No grand conspiracy there.

FrancieBrady · 31-07-2020 01:54PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Foreign money cannot be used to fund political parties in the Republic.

Only until relatively recently.

For what it's worth the property SF own here in the place I live is a multi use space bought initially to cater to prisoners rehabilitation released under the GFA.

It would have received a lot of P+R funding and from other agencies of the state and was a derelict building prior to them buying it. I would say they bought it for peanuts.

blanch152 · 31-07-2020 01:58PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Where’s the money coming from, dude? Employing 200 people would cost millions every year. Who is funding them?

There are many small businesses accross this island that are more than happy to donate to Sinn Fein. They understand very clearly how Sinn Fein do a very good job ensuring that their windows don't get broken, their staff don't get held up at night with the takings etc.

blanch152 · 31-07-2020 02:00PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Only until relatively recently.

For what it's worth the property SF own here in the place I live is a multi use space bought initially to cater to prisoners rehabilitation released under the GFA.

It would have received a lot of P+R funding and from other agencies of the state and was a derelict building prior to them buying it. I would say they bought it for peanuts.

Are you suggesting that funds for prisoners rehabilitation under the the GFA have ultimately ended up subsidising political purposes instead?

You could do the state a good service by providing the information you have to the relevant authorities.

FrancieBrady · 31-07-2020 02:01PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that funds for prisoners rehabilitation under the the GFA have ultimately ended up subsidising political purposes instead?

You could do the state a good service by providing the information you have to the relevant authorities.

No, certainly not.

EVERYONE knows they threaten to break windows for that money.

Truthvader · 31-07-2020 02:03PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Looks like a serious professional and well run outfit.

Top class; only comparison would be Kinihan Cartel who employ similar numbers

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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