Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

ixoy wrote: »

Out of curiosity, where do you live? I see next to nobody wearing them outside - the few that I have are likely to be wearing them on the way to their supermarket or possibly have underlying complications.

I live in a touristic seaside town & couldn't believe about 30% of people were wearing masks outdoors yesterday. I really don't get it.

John O.Groats wrote: »

Oh right I get you now. It`s all part of an evil government plot to impose a totalitarian state. Your agenda is becoming very clear now.

Hahaha yeah you've got in one well done.

Crazy to think that expressing a different opinion means you have some kind of agenda can we not question things anymore?

Or are we just supposed to shut up and follow every bit of advice and guidance issued by NPHET, HSE and the government?

I think it comes down a mixture of confusion over the exact requirements and a bit of safety and convenience.

For example, I has to walk to the local shop this morning. Only a two minute walk, I put the mask on as I left the house rather than keep it in my pocket and put it on when I got there. I know I don't need it walking down the (empty) street but it simply easier.

Then, if you are in a busy area, you have no idea who you are going to pass by and whether there will be enough room, so easier to simply keep it on.

There is no harm in it, I would would much prefer to have too many people wearing them outside that too few inside.

skelly22 wrote: »

Excellent post. Pivotal points raised here.

Really, based on what? What points in particular do you thnk are pivotal?

Freedoms. We all give up freedoms for the greater good. Wearing a mask seems pretty low on that scale.

Stop and think. Absolutely. Everyone should do that. I certainly don't just blindly accept that I am told. But evidence from across the globe suggests that this is the correct course of action.

I will follow the advice from experts unless I have a clear knowledge of it being wrong. We all do it, everyday. I trust the expect pilot to fly the plane rather than some randomer that read about it on the internet for example.

I would hire an electrician to rewire my house, not some dude I met in the pub that had once changed a light bulb. Experts are, actually a good thing. They know what they are talking about.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Ah, ok. So it's not the mask as such, it is the fear of being controlled.

You assume that I haven't questioned it, not sure on what you are basing that on. Have you questioned it, how? DO you have qualifications in the area of infectious diseases? Have you looked through the research on this and other similar viruses such as SARS?

They are the experts, and not only them but we can see it across every country in the world. Even common sense would point to a mask is a way to reduce the spread of droplets. I mean, you believe in raincoats? You believe in umbrellas?

As a society, we need to adjust to the risks that we face. If we were under attack militarily, I would expect that our military leaders would be involved in making the decisions.

I listen to doctors when I am sick. When they say that I need to stay home from work I don't see that as they trying to limit my freedom, I see it as both a requirement to rest and recover for myself but also to reduce the chance o spreading whatever illness I have to others.

You only need to look at the US to see how not adhering to the use of masks and restrictions is not the way to go.

I'm no expert but we need to be paying attention to opinions of other experts about this situation but because they don't suit the narrative that is being pushed they are often ignored.

For example



Fairly certain this man is highly qualified to talk about this issue see his credentials below.

So tell me this; is this man wrong?

Even though most will complain and say I'm not watching an hour and half long YouTube video but those same people will gladly waste an hour everyday watching the doom and gloom news that is being peddled by RTE news on a daily basis.

The old saying of you can bring a horse to water but can make him drink springs to mind.

Beda M. Stadler, former Director of the University Institute of Immunology at the Insel Hospital in Bern, is emerited professor of Immunology from the Medical Faculty of the University of Bern. His major research interests were in basic research in the field of allergy and autoimmunity as well as applied research in the field of immunology.

As Vice President of the Commission for Technology and Innovation (CTI) Federal Department of Economic Affairs, Education and Research EAER Switzerland he was heading the life science team and was a member of the CTI Start-up & Entrepreneurship label board.

During his career he liked to express his scientific and rational views in public as a frequent guest speaker and columnist for various print

Leroy42 wrote: »

Really, based on what? What points in particular do you thnk are pivotal?

Freedoms. We all give up freedoms for the greater good. Wearing a mask seems pretty low on that scale.

Stop and think. Absolutely. Everyone should do that. I certainly don't just blindly accept that I am told. But evidence from across the globe suggests that this is the correct course of action.

I will follow the advice from experts unless I have a clear knowledge of it being wrong. We all do it, everyday. I trust the expect pilot to fly the plane rather than some randomer that read about it on the internet for example.

I would hire an electrician to rewire my house, not some dude I met in the pub that had once changed a light bulb. Experts are, actually a good thing. They know what they are talking about.

Like I said, all the points raised were pivotal. Some people give them less importance than others. You will not convince me that wearing a mask each time I open my front door is for the "greater good".

Leroy42 wrote: »

Really, based on what? What points in particular do you thnk are pivotal?

I will follow the advice from experts unless I have a clear knowledge of it being wrong.

Experts are, actually a good thing. They know what they are talking about.

This is the crux of the issue for me we only seem to be listening to certain experts and not others that are just as qualified to speak on the issue.

Take a step back for a minute and ask yourself why is that?

Is it because one is more is more qualified than the other or is it because that expert is supporting the narrative that is being pushed at the moment and the other expert isn't?

I'm going to go with the latter.

prunudo wrote: »

I've seen it time and time again on numerous threads and facebook comments since covid began. If you dare to question policy or why we are being made to do something you're automatically a tinfoil hat wearing anti vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

Yes and the irony is that those accusing you of such are masked up the hilt and looking out at you through a head visor.

gmisk wrote: »

I don't think anyone is asking you to wear a mask each time you open your front door....

Why do you think people are being asked to wear masks in confined spaces where social distancing is not possible? Your saying it's not for the "greater good" then what is it for?

I said I don't think wearing a mask each time I open my front door is for the "greater good". I didn't say I had an explanation for it. There is no explanation.

On your first point - not yet.

skelly22 wrote: »

Like I said, all the points raised were pivotal. Some people give them less importance than others. You will not convince me that wearing a mask each time I open my front door is for the "greater good".

Well, that is a pretty poor attitude to have.

You have already decided your position and nothing will change it.

But ask yourself these questions.
Are you 100% certain that you or anyone in your household will never get the virus?
Do you know that the person calling to your door is immune?
Do you believe that masks can reduce the spread of droplets and thus reduce the possible spread of the virus?

Unless you can answer, with 100% certainty Yes to the 1st 2 and No to the third then your position is very much open to being wrong.

That is not to say it is, but you must accept that there is a risk. So by extension, you are saying that it is a risk you are willing to take, without asking the other person first.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Fine, but you are doing that based on nothing more than a hunch. You have no evidence for this. For every expert, you can put up claiming it is all wrong, they are more that will say it is the best way to go.

And the facts are staring you in the face. Across the world those countries that following the advice did better. The US being a perfect example of the differents effects. So even without experts how do you account for that?

I'm not basing it on a hunch if you bothered to even read my previous post the man that was interviewed has a PHD in immunology so does that mean his thoughts on herd immunity are complete bollox and we shouldn't listen to him and the evidence that he has provided?

People keeping banging on about the US if you opened your eyes and looked at the stats such as deaths per million of the population you'd see that the US is not much worse off than Spain or France?

US deaths per 1 million of population: 469
Spain deaths per 1 million of population: 608
France deaths per 1 million of population: 463

Are you still going to tell me that Spain and France followed "the advice" and therefore they are doing better than the US?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?