FF/FG/Green Next Government

KyussB · 30-07-2020 08:37PM

Some slight, vanishingly small signs of potentially emerging backbone from some Green TD's. Probably nothing. Be gone tomorrow most likely.

If enough of them can collapse government and then jump ship - maybe we can have a proper Progressive Green Party by the end of the year, ready for a 2021 election.

Incredibly unlikely, but who knows.

ExMachina1000 · 30-07-2020 08:42PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So in other words they don't say anything in Australia about working for an Irish boss?

Irish people do.

That part of my statement is the least of your worries pal

Muahahaha · 30-07-2020 08:48PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is today the last day of Dail before holidays, this "new" government has got off to an awful start

yeah they are wrapped up now for six weeks holidays, Id say all the government TDs are grateful for that because the last six weeks has been like a heavyweight boxer battering around a welterweight. Its only the end of the first round and the FFGG government are staggering back to their corner bruised and battered.

Senior hurling Heavyweight boxing lads, etc, etc

James Brown · 30-07-2020 08:56PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just as well Brenners we have all those responsible and experienced lads in govt so.

The 'best people' :rolleyes:

hotmail.com · 30-07-2020 08:57PM

This junior Green minister that no one has ever heard should now decide on whether he can support the government. He can't have it both ways by abstaining.

He wasn't elected to abstain.

Brendan Bendar · 30-07-2020 08:57PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah they are wrapped up now for six weeks holidays, Id say all the government TDs are grateful for that because the last six weeks has been like a heavyweight boxer battering around a welterweight. Its only the end of the first round and the FFGG government are staggering back to their corner bruised and battered.

Senior hurling Heavyweight boxing lads, etc, etc

More like guerilla warfare I’d say mesell.....plenty experience there:cool:

LawBoy2018 · 30-07-2020 08:58PM

What happens if a TD is expelled from their party? Do they become independent?

hotmail.com · 30-07-2020 09:04PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

What happens if a TD is expelled from their party? Do they become independent?

Basically yes. They then get an allowance for being an independent by the way to make up for losing party money for literature, campaigning etc.

Expelled TDs can and have remained loyal to the government they've left and it doesn't mean they'll vote them down in a no confidence motion.

Truthvader · 30-07-2020 09:19PM

What is it with the Green Party and their hair?

First Eamo, then I notice Joe O'Brien and Nessa Whatshername today

A party where they are willing to dye for their principles ........Geddit??

Sierra Oscar · 30-07-2020 09:51PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

They're being backed by almost 10 independents though which gives them more wiggle room.

The Government is reliant on Green Party participation nonetheless and Varadkar has already put it on the record that Fine Gael will be gone if the Green Party fall away.

The Green Party have essentially lost 2 of their 12 TD's tonight alone, including their whip, and it wasn't even a contentious vote.

The whole thing is shaky and is already crumbling away. Imagine what it will be like when an actual tough and divisive vote comes around.

Floppybits · 30-07-2020 09:52PM

Varadkar is not helping the situation with his attitude, its as if he wants to push to Martin into bringing down the government.

Shefwedfan · 30-07-2020 10:31PM

Truthvader wrote: »

What is it with the Green Party and their hair?

First Eamo, then I notice Joe O'Brien and Nessa Whatshername today

A party where they are willing to dye for their principles ........Geddit??

And clothes, don’t forget the clothes

James Brown · 30-07-2020 11:26PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Varadkar is not helping the situation with his attitude, its as if he wants to push to Martin into bringing down the government.

That's who he is. ****ty attitude and no substance.

da_miser · 30-07-2020 11:41PM

We have got to take short term pain for long term gain.
The best thing that can happen to Ireland is the FF-FG-Green government continues to stumble from disaster to disaster, a absolute calamity is what is needed to finally get the population voting for these chancers to give some thought to who they vote for in the next election.

Shefwedfan · 31-07-2020 06:22AM

da_miser wrote: »

We have got to take short term pain for long term gain.
The best thing that can happen to Ireland is the FF-FG-Green government continues to stumble from disaster to disaster, a absolute calamity is what is needed to finally get the population voting for these chancers to give some thought to who they vote for in the next election.

So who will they vote for then?

smurgen · 31-07-2020 06:59AM

Remember when it was imperatives that we got a Government together but not a unity government because of all the immediate emergency stuff coming up? The need for a strong and stable government right? They must have done some work to say they can still take this break so soon.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1289085484111745024?s=19

Shefwedfan · 31-07-2020 07:27AM

smurgen wrote: »

Remember when it was imperatives that we got a Government together but not a unity government because of all the immediate emergency stuff coming up? The need for a strong and stable government right? They must have done some work to say they can still take this break so soon.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1289085484111745024?s=19

So you take no holidays every year?

Are you saying if another party was in government they wouldn’t take holidays either?

Shefwedfan · 31-07-2020 07:37AM

smurgen wrote: »

Remember when it was imperatives that we got a Government together but not a unity government because of all the immediate emergency stuff coming up? The need for a strong and stable government right? They must have done some work to say they can still take this break so soon.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1289085484111745024?s=19

Our friends in Northern Ireland seem to have a nice holiday

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/about-the-assembly/general-information/

11 July 2020 to 1 September 2020

Just for a comparison of course. Didn’t hear you complain when they went on hols in the height of covid?

hotmail.com · 31-07-2020 08:04AM

The Greens sanctioned the two TDs. Both have lost speaking rights for 2 months. The ban starts now, so it includes the 6 weeks holiday recess.

Is the Green Party a complete joke ?

Shefwedfan · 31-07-2020 08:21AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Is the Green Party a complete joke ?

Why?

JohnnyFlash · 31-07-2020 08:31AM

I'd say there will be a split in the Green Party soon between the folks who get what real politics is about, and the dream catcher ideological sorts who think everything should be about high falutin principles over actually getting stuff done.

Still think there's a good chance of a FF/SF/Independents government before the end of the year.

circadian · 31-07-2020 08:39AM

smurgen wrote: »

Remember when it was imperatives that we got a Government together but not a unity government because of all the immediate emergency stuff coming up? The need for a strong and stable government right? They must have done some work to say they can still take this break so soon.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1289085484111745024?s=19

I know everyone needs a break at some point but 6 weeks in the middle of everything going to **** is taking the hand.

Snow Garden · 31-07-2020 08:52AM

The government usually take a longer summer break to be fair. Much too long. I do think FFG need to go and regroup after the worst start to a government in living memory. They need to strengthen this arranged marriage and learn to communicate.

Maybe they will do a U-turn on the holidays and come back earlier to address the real problems facing the country as we sink further into recession.

Limpy · 31-07-2020 08:56AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

The government usually take a longer summer break to be fair. Much too long. I do think FFG need to go and regroup after the worst start to a government in living memory. They need to strengthen this arranged marriage and learn to communicate.

Maybe they will do a U-turn on the holidays and come back earlier to address the real problems facing the country as we sink further into recession.

We came out of a recession before. They are for us sucker's to scrape our way out of and fix. People still voted for the same clowns again.

Scoondal · 31-07-2020 09:33AM

What other Fine Gael T.D.s are embarrassed to be members of Dail Eireann I wonder ?

Limpy · 31-07-2020 09:54AM

It also looks like HH has 6 weeks to get her story straight.

McMurphy · 31-07-2020 10:07AM

Limpy wrote: »

It also looks like HH has 6 weeks to get her story straight.

Which story?

There's a few that immediately spring to mind to be fair.

is_that_so · 31-07-2020 10:12AM

circadian wrote: »

I know everyone needs a break at some point but 6 weeks in the middle of everything going to **** is taking the hand.

Everything is not going to pot, apart from the 'skool' plan. Phase 4/5 is a Cabinet decision and there's no massive urgency to be there for anything else. Remember we're still in pandemic mode, even if it's an eased version of it.

smurgen · 31-07-2020 10:15AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So you take no holidays every year?

Are you saying if another party was in government they wouldn’t take holidays either?

I take it when we're quiet. And if we're busy or something big comes up we reschedule oh and it's definitely not 6 consecutive weeks.

is_that_so · 31-07-2020 10:16AM

Limpy wrote: »

We came out of a recession before. They are for us sucker's to scrape our way out of and fix. People still voted for the same clowns again.

Some clowns are better than other clowns, as a glance across the Conference Centre will show you. People just vote, a lot of the time that helps choose the government. These last couple of elections the politicians have had to make it up, so it's not entirely their fault.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

Comments