Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 07:22PM

wowzer wrote: »

And dare I say it, the arrogance and passive aggression contained in some of ACE's retorts to statements he doesn't agree with undoes the excellent statistical analysis he contributes.

Yet you ignore those who choose to ignore facts. Right. I'm the issue here

road_high · 30-07-2020 07:23PM

MOR316 wrote: »

And you think going back to phase 2 is going to eradicate the virus yeah?

Not happening

Exactly. The factory and other clusters would and could all occur in Phase 2.

MOR316 · 30-07-2020 07:24PM

wadacrack wrote: »

I watched it yes. He also said he is very concerned.This level of suppression is not sustainable . I disagree with their positivity. Hopefully Im wrong but its not good signs atm with pubs closed and no schools open.

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1288378487968018433

So it's dangerous to let it run wild but also dangerous to suppress it? Is that what you're saying

road_high · 30-07-2020 07:24PM

thelad95 wrote: »

We're nearly 5 months down the road with this and factories are clearly not safe places to work. How in the name of God have employers not sorted something out? Do they just buy posters and throw a few stickers on the ground and hope the employees follow the regulations?

I know you can't whip people or manage their every single move while they are on the clock but this cluster clearly shows loose compliance and probably close to non existent enforcement. Employees who don't follow regulations whether on the clock or on lunch break should be disciplined. As I've said multiple times on this thread I live next door to a Londis and everyday construction workers go in, get their lunch and eat outside with zero social distancing, then all climb back into vans and cars together. And people wonder why there's a cluster on construction sites nearly every week.

Why don’t you confront them if you’re that bothered? I mean you’re watching them daily, surely it’s your civic duty.

thelad95 · 30-07-2020 07:24PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Some people on here need to go for a pint or something, some of the nonsense being posted on here cannot be healthy

85 cases is 85 opportunities for a super spreader to act the Mick and not bother isolating.

I'm aware numbers today have been skewed by a cluster and honestly I'm happier that there is comprehensive tracing that is clearly working instead of living in blind ignorance. I think Glynn and Nolan chose their words fantastically this evening and that should hopefully douse some of the fire that the copy and paste media will try and spread this evening and tomorrow.

However, we were at a stage where it was estimated that there was around 250 active cases, today increases that by 30% so it is a bump on the road. I wouldn't judge anyone for being terrified, we were at a stage not so long ago where there was under ten cases every day, we're now close to a hundred.

Next two weeks will tell a lot whether this will be a cluster that will simply flush through or if this has the potential to affect the weekly average for a while.

weldoninhio · 30-07-2020 07:25PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Should be stressed btw that people living in direct provision don't want to live in direct provision. They are being forced by the state to live on top of one another.

The state is forcing no one to make frivolous appeal after appeal.

Non solum non ambulabit · 30-07-2020 07:25PM

wadacrack wrote: »

I disagree with their positivity. Hopefully Im wrong but its not good signs atm

We've had one bad day in months, today. Let's see how it develops but the signs have been superb for months now.

MOR316 · 30-07-2020 07:25PM

road_high wrote: »

Exactly. The factory and other clusters would and could all occur in Phase 2.

Pretty much.

Even if we go back to phase 2 and completely wipe it out after a month, we go up to phase 3, let people from other countries in and boom, the virus is back

Some people...Seriously

is_that_so · 30-07-2020 07:26PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Citizen; I'm a fan of your data and posts on here, but you seem to sugarcoat all the negative news

There needs to be balance

Only half of today's numbers are from clusters right?

So that leaves 42 cases, and there's no way of spinning that into a positive

The positive out of this is that they seem to have tracked down all possible cases, which is a great shout out to the now robust contact tracing system. Yeah, it's a big number but they hope it's a blip and that we'll be back to the 20 odd cases from tomorrow.

owlbethere · 30-07-2020 07:28PM

thelad95 wrote: »

We're nearly 5 months down the road with this and factories are clearly not safe places to work. How in the name of God have employers not sorted something out? Do they just buy posters and throw a few stickers on the ground and hope the employees follow the regulations?

I know you can't whip people or manage their every single move while they are on the clock but this cluster clearly shows loose compliance and probably close to non existent enforcement. Employees who don't follow regulations whether on the clock or on lunch break should be disciplined. As I've said multiple times on this thread I live next door to a Londis and everyday construction workers go in, get their lunch and eat outside with zero social distancing, then all climb back into vans and cars together. And people wonder why there's a cluster on construction sites nearly every week.

+1 well said.

Wait til the pubs open and construction workers will be going to the pubs come Friday evening. That's if they are not drinking every evening already. So that will be cases confirmed to pubs.

If I was working in a place with loose compliance, I would be going down the compo route. I have a notebook and pen I carry with me everywhere, if I go to the shops, if I go out eating. I bring it with me. If there's any incident of people coughing or rule breaking I will be dating a page and writing it down. I will probably bring it to the attention of a manager or supervisor. If I get sick within 14 days of such an incident and I suspect an exposure was related to such an incident, I will be going down the compo route.

ShineOn7 · 30-07-2020 07:28PM

wowzer wrote: »

And dare I say it, the arrogance and passive aggression contained in some of ACE's retorts to statements he doesn't agree with undoes the excellent statistical analysis he contributes.

Yes I've noticed that too

Today was a brutal day for Ireland with these numbers

It shouldn't be sugarcoated

thelad95 · 30-07-2020 07:29PM

Fantastic today that they were able to stamp out a cluster and hopefully everyone will play ball in terms of isolating.

Factory workers are often low-paid foreign migrants living in cramped accommodation so I hope this doesn't create further issues.

Numbers will be down tomorrow and the media will go quiet again no doubt.

SEPT 23 1989 · 30-07-2020 07:30PM

it will be when the schools go back the numbers the skyrocket

Sickness arrives in every home in September when kids go back

Different ball game this year though

Not looking forward to it

D.Q · 30-07-2020 07:30PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yes I've noticed that too

Today was a brutal day for Ireland with these numbers

It shouldn't be sugarcoated

Haha a brutal day for Ireland would you come up for air.

Renjit · 30-07-2020 07:30PM

road_high wrote: »

I’m just back from the gym- not saying I’m a fcukin role model far from it but Jesus Christ if people put more pro activity into looking after their general health and fitness then we’d tackle all this far better. Sitting at home watching that daily rubbish (or is it every few days now?) would lend anyone in the loony bin.
To be blunt some of the biggest Covid nutters I know are fat, overweight and live poor lifestyles completely of their own making- but instead they prefer wallow away at home on social media worrying about dying.

Username fits

ShineOn7 · 30-07-2020 07:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

No they're not? He said almost all of today's cases are related to the factory, construction and private households.
I don't like being accused of sugarcoating when I'm literally posting what the CMO said.

Private household clusters in that number range are still very bad news

If we could get concrete numbers of how much of today's huge number is actually from factory and construction outbreaks, then we'll know where we stand

Saying things like:

Some people on here need to go for a pint or something, some of the nonsense being posted on here cannot be healthy

is ridiculous

There's only so much positive spin you can give something

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 07:32PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Private household clusters in that number range are still very bad news

If we could get concrete numbers of how much of today's huge number is actually from factory and construction outbreaks, then we'll know where we stand

Saying things like:

is ridiculous

There's only so much positive spin you can give something

Do you disagree that the majority of today's cases are confined to isolated outbreaks and that Prof. Nolan said that the numbers are not increasing and that the virus is being supressed?

MOR316 · 30-07-2020 07:32PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yes I've noticed that too

Today was a brutal day for Ireland with these numbers

It shouldn't be sugarcoated

Aye, Bloody Thursday will live long in Irish folklore and history.

Gruffalux · 30-07-2020 07:33PM

owlbethere wrote: »

+1 well said.

Wait til the pubs open and construction workers will be going to the pubs come Friday evening. That's if they are not drinking every evening already. So that will be cases confirmed to pubs.

If I was working in a place with loose compliance, I would be going down the compo route. I have a notebook and pen I carry with me everywhere, if I go to the shops, if I go out eating. I bring it with me. If there's any incident of people coughing or rule breaking I will be dating a page and writing it down. I will probably bring it to the attention of a manager or supervisor. If I get sick within 14 days of such an incident and I suspect an exposure was related to such an incident, I will be going down the compo route.

You are married to Paddygreen, aren't ya

MOR316 · 30-07-2020 07:33PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Private household clusters in that number range are still very bad news

If we could get concrete numbers of how much of today's huge number is actually from factory and construction outbreaks, then we'll know where we stand

Saying things like:

is ridiculous

There's only so much positive spin you can give something

OK...Don't take it as positive spin.

Believe we're all gonna die if you want and go around looting Lidl and Aldi for toilet roll if you want. Your life, your mind, your choice.

Your call. No one has to convince you of anything

D.Q · 30-07-2020 07:34PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Aye, Bloody Thursday will live long in Irish folklore and history.

Hahahaha that time 85 people were sick, alot without any symptoms, and icus around the country were practically covid free.

Be strong. The night is darkest before the dawn.

Renjit · 30-07-2020 07:34PM

wadacrack wrote: »

I watched it yes. He also said he is very concerned.This level of suppression is not sustainable . I disagree with their positivity. Hopefully Im wrong but its not good signs atm with pubs closed and no schools open.

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1288378487968018433

You put a wooden ladle over the utensil to prevent this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_04_TS1fYg

Strumms · 30-07-2020 07:34PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Should be stressed btw that people living in direct provision don't want to live in direct provision. They are being forced by the state to live on top of one another.

What do we do, welcome them off a flight with open arms and a chauffeur driven Mercedes to a nice hotel ? A nice two bedroom apartment ?

If I land in Berlin, Botswana, Beirut, Budapest with no accommodation, friends, means of transport or serious cash reserves, what happens ?

This.... ? “ ahhh Mr Strumms, welcome to X country, as you have purchased a one way ticket to here, arrived and have no means of supporting yourself, we will offer you a nice third floor, one bedroom apartment near to amenities, we will give you a free weekly lump sum of cash paid for by our hard working tax payers which you can use for whichever means you wish... please call if you need anything, and erm, welcome !”

Boggles · 30-07-2020 07:35PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Regardless of the panic from some journalists there was a great sense of calm at that press conference among Dr Glynn and Professor Nolan.

Really?

To me, they looked like a pair of lads who just got gut punched before they came out.

Also why does George Lee always sound like he has just heard about the global pandemic 5 minutes before he starts asking questions?

Also 10 times more questions about pubs than schools.

:rolleyes:

owlbethere · 30-07-2020 07:36PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

it will be when the schools go back the numbers the skyrocket

Sickness arrives in every home in September when kids go back

Different ball game this year though

Not looking forward to it

Will there be any social distancing happening in schools?

Maybe school can be 1 day a week. Maybe take a class of 30 pupils in primary school as an example, maybe they can go by the role book and have the first 6 students in on Monday, and 6 in on Tuesday and 6 in on Wednesday and so on. Maybe a camera can be put into classrooms pointing at the teachers desk and blackboard and many lessons can be online too for the rest of students at home.

PokeHerKing · 30-07-2020 07:36PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The positive out of this is that they seem to have tracked down all possible cases, which is a great shout out to the now robust contact tracing system. Yeah, it's a big number but they hope it's a blip and that we'll be back to the 20 odd cases from tomorrow.

There's absolutely no way of knowing that. It can take up to 14 days to become symptomatic and then you've got the asymptomatic cases.

It's an invisible virus and we live in a world where you could come into contact with any number of untraceable contacts. The contract tracing has inherent limitations.

I'm not trying to be positive or negative by the way, just pointing out the fallacy in your posts.

ShineOn7 · 30-07-2020 07:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Do you disagree that the majority of today's cases are confined to isolated outbreaks and that Prof. Nolan said that the numbers are not increasing and that the virus is being supressed?

You said previously that half of today's number came from the factory and building outbreaks

That still leaves 42 cases

Jim_Hodge · 30-07-2020 07:37PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Will there be any social distancing happening in schools?

Maybe school can be 1 day a week. Maybe take a class of 30 pupils in primary school as an example, maybe they can go by the role book and have the first 6 students in on Monday, and 6 in on Tuesday and 6 in on Wednesday and so on. Maybe a camera can be put into classrooms pointing at the teachers desk and blackboard and many lessons can be online too for the rest of students at home.

Not going to happen. It's full reopening as things stand.

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 07:37PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

You said previously that half of today's number came from the factory and building outbreaks

That still leaves 42 cases

I said almost half from already known outbreaks, as in old outbreaks, as in close contacts

The rest are the new factory outbreak, construction sites and private households.

Arghus · 30-07-2020 07:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're making you're assumption based on the 1 negative thing he said vs the 10 positive things he said. I'm not sure why you're preaching objectivity with that argument? It's called being realistic. We have a 79 cases, the majority of which are isolated outbreaks in 6 counties today. Why on earth should that be of concern to me?

He did say positive things in the press conference, absolutely and Professor Nolan sounded even more positive. I take a degree of confidence from that.

But the CMO did say that there was cause for concern, he said he was concerned. And rationally you'd have to be, at least to an extent.

Okay, hopefully they got all the clusters and outbreaks etc, etc but at the same time today shows, clearly, how easily outbreaks can happen and how quickly things can potentially spread and how on your guard you have to be at all times.

I acknowledge that Dr. Glynn said more positive things than negative things. He did. But he did say negative things. And while I appreciate your contributions on the thread Citizen you consistently downplay any potential negatives, to the extent that you're now in denial about those negatives.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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