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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #2852
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Did you watch the press conference or are you just being purposefully ignorant?

    People don't read or watch anything. They see a headline on something and they run with it. They don't care about your facts or explanations. Doesn't matter what it's about


  • #2853
    SimonTemplar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Prof. Nolan: "I disagree that numbers are going up. Transmission is being supressed with some clusters superposed. Realistically, numbers have gone up for 1 day."

    I think this quote from Nolan is equally as important as the 85 figure.


  • #2854
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Regardless of the panic from some journalists there was a great sense of calm at that press conference among Dr Glynn and Professor Nolan.


  • #2855
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    shinzon wrote: »
    And heres the Brits going to Tramore taken by local reporter Darren Skelton earlier today.

    QKslmfe.jpg

    Shin

    Northern Irish so coming from a better place than us.


  • #2856
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,096 ✭✭✭eigrod


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Bizarre positivity tbh. No country just has a blip of 80 cases. It grows exponentially from yes initial clusters.The contact tracing involved will be too much to trace every case effectively. Its a bad day and the CMO is understandably worried.

    Is this not very similar to what happened in Germany a couple of weeks back? Isolated factory outbreaks shot their R number up temporarily. It was back down to acceptable levels within days.


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  • #2857
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It really was quite impressive to hear the amount of work put in on the ground over the last week in terms of outbreak control teams, tracing and testing.

    As Glynn said himself a few months ago we wouldn't have caught alot of these cases

    It just goes to show how much the numbers were being under reported back then.
    We were probably really having thousands of cases a day, not hundreds.


  • #2858
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    85 today. Are these for one day?


  • #2859
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,904 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Someone needs to say to Zara that weddings are a load of sh1te! Music is crap, expensive and its mind numbingly boring and that we all just want to get out of them as soon as possible.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #2860
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Some people on here need to go for a pint or something, some of the nonsense being posted on here cannot be healthy


  • #2861
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Renjit wrote: »
    85 today. Are these for one day?
    2 days, half were not reported yesterday


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  • #2862
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    We're nearly 5 months down the road with this and factories are clearly not safe places to work. How in the name of God have employers not sorted something out? Do they just buy posters and throw a few stickers on the ground and hope the employees follow the regulations?

    I know you can't whip people or manage their every single move while they are on the clock but this cluster clearly shows loose compliance and probably close to non existent enforcement. Employees who don't follow regulations whether on the clock or on lunch break should be disciplined. As I've said multiple times on this thread I live next door to a Londis and everyday construction workers go in, get their lunch and eat outside with zero social distancing, then all climb back into vans and cars together. And people wonder why there's a cluster on construction sites nearly every week.


  • #2863
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Grows exponentially from community transmission. They fact it's not rampant in the community means the cases in clusters can be contained. The factory has had outbreak teams in a week now, so we'll know in the next few days how well contained it is.

    The Sligo cluster and the Dublin building sites had the same panic and now it's all forgotten about as they were contained and didn't lead to wide spread community transmission.

    The problem is we're at our optimal phase for fighting the virus yet large cluster upon cluster is fairing up. When kids go back to school and workers cram onto their busy busses this is gonna flair straight back up. We need to do phase 2 again but with a travel quarantine


  • #2864
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Always_Running wrote: »
    Regardless of the panic from some journalists there was a great sense of calm at that press conference among Dr Glynn and Professor Nolan.

    Fully agree. Some don't like his style, he only came forward with the figure of 40 staff in the factory when asked about it. Previously Tony might have just come out and said it straight away.

    But regardless he's not getting ahead of himself but seemed quite confident that the HSE outbreak control teams have done their job well when he stressed they can account for the vast majority of cases


  • #2865
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Some people on here need to go for a pint or something, some of the nonsense being posted on here cannot be healthy

    It was the same in a different thread.
    Someone was arguing with me over a certain artist, I presented the facts that couldn't be disputed and in the end, instead of conceding I was right and they were wrong, I just got abuse.

    People only want to believe the worst. Bad news sells and, quite oddly, it seems to connect with people. They love it

    Imagine if (big ****ing if) Trump started doing good? What would they moan and talk about then?


  • #2866
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Some people on here need to go for a pint or something, some of the nonsense being posted on here cannot be healthy


    Citizen; I'm a fan of your data and posts on here, but you seem to sugarcoat all the negative news

    There needs to be balance

    Only half of today's numbers are from clusters right?

    So that leaves 42 cases, and there's no way of spinning that into a positive


  • #2867
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’m just back from the gym- not saying I’m a fcukin role model far from it but Jesus Christ if people put more pro activity into looking after their general health and fitness then we’d tackle all this far better. Sitting at home watching that daily rubbish (or is it every few days now?) would lend anyone in the loony bin.
    To be blunt some of the biggest Covid nutters I know are fat, overweight and live poor lifestyles completely of their own making- but instead they prefer wallow away at home on social media worrying about dying.


  • #2868
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Are they wearing masks at the factories?

    That surely should be mandatory & try have good ventilation & no workers having lunch together


  • #2869
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    normanoffside wrote: »
    It just goes to show how much the numbers were being under reported back then.
    We were probably really having thousands of cases a day, not hundreds.

    Quite possibly during the peak when we reported 800 odd i think it was, realistically it was much higher like you said could have been in the thousands.

    We'll never really know what the true number was


  • #2870
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Hubertj wrote: »
    I find this thread quite sad. I feel sorry for the people who seem afraid to set foot outside their homes and can only think the worst. It is no way to live. I would suggest you talk to someone. I think counsellors are provided web based sessions. It is not healthy to constantly have such a negative mindset. We should be thankful the situations has been pretty well managed in this country if we consider what has happened elsewhere.

    Maybe you don't know of all the work going on in the background to help reduce the Covid spread. We hope it is working, but it will have spikes.

    Please don't disparage the huge amount of work by people that went in to flattening the curve here so far. And many are still very wary, and you can see why judging by today's figures, might seem insignificant to many, but the trend is what is important.


  • #2871
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Posting this again for those who choose to ignore it.
    Dr. Glynn, acting CMO: "no need for a knee-jerk reaction, this is a good thing that they've been picked up, and contact tracing is working fully"
    "Vast majority of cases can be accounted for, we know where they come from. It's a significant number but reflects the fact that the numbers of outbreaks identified over the past few weeks have been identified and acted upon quickly."

    Prof. Nolan, chair of modelling team: "I disagree that numbers are going up. Transmission is being supressed with some clusters superposed. Realistically, numbers have only gone up for 1 day."

    Get away outta that with your facts.


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  • #2872
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The problem is we're at our optimal phase for fighting the virus yet large cluster upon cluster is fairing up. When kids go back to school and workers cram onto their busy busses this is gonna flair straight back up. We need to do phase 2 again but with a travel quarantine

    And you think going back to phase 2 is going to eradicate the virus yeah?

    Not happening


  • #2873
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    eigrod wrote: »
    Is this not very similar to what happened in Germany a couple of weeks back? Isolated factory outbreaks shot their R number up temporarily. It was back down to acceptable levels within days.

    This...I was actually just about to say this. Denmark and Austria have also had blips and it went back down to "stable" levels.
    We have been told this will happen..also people have said when we say a low number of cases..oh but the 7 day average is all that counts. So let's wait for that.


  • #2874
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Citizen; I'm a fan of your data and posts on here, but you seem to sugarcoat all the negative news

    There needs to be balance

    Only half of today's numbers are from clusters right?

    So that leaves 42 cases, and there's no way of spinning that into a positive
    No they're not? He said almost all of today's cases are related to the factory, construction and private households.
    I don't like being accused of sugarcoating when I'm literally posting what the CMO said.


  • #2875
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Are you just being ignorant? There has not been an increase in community spread. At all. They literally said it.

    I'm not being ignorant Citizen, there's frankly no need to get snippy.

    I missed the first ten minutes of the press conference, I presume what you are referring too was in that first segment.

    I understand that today increase is explained by outbreaks in certain settings that, hopefully, they've got on top of. I amn't jumping to conclusions right away that we're fcked: we just have to wait and see and hope that it was a quickly identified blip.

    But, at the same time, the CMO was concerned. He literally said that he was concerned. Now, he wasn't panicking and he wasn't shouting about it, but you could see that he wasn't a 100% confident about things. Hence, the concern.

    You seem to be disregarding this completely. Obviously your inclination is to be positive - fine - but also you have to try to be objective.


  • #2876
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    They literally said during the press conference that work has been ongoing since last week in terms of tracing the factory cluster and proving quite effective.

    Glynn literally praised the outbreak control teams saying a few months ago these cases wouldn't have been picked up. Kind of the opposite of what your suggesting

    I watched it yes. He also said he is very concerned.This level of suppression is not sustainable . I disagree with their positivity. Hopefully Im wrong but its not good signs atm with pubs closed and no schools open.

    https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1288378487968018433


  • #2877
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,096 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The problem is we're at our optimal phase for fighting the virus yet large cluster upon cluster is fairing up. When kids go back to school and workers cram onto their busy busses this is gonna flair straight back up. We need to do phase 2 again but with a travel quarantine

    Opening Hairdressers and Restaurants were the main changes in Phase 3. There is absolutely no evidence that doing that has lead to an increase in cases, and from what I have seen they have been very responsible in the precautions they have implemented. So why should they have to close again?


  • #2878
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    Uhm...I know everyone hates Zara King here...but what was the answer about the weddings anyone?brother getting married in 3 weeks.


  • #2879
    wowzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 806 ✭✭✭wowzer


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Citizen; I'm a fan of your data and posts on here, but you seem to sugarcoat all the negative news

    There needs to be balance

    Only half of today's numbers are from clusters right?

    So that leaves 42 cases, and there's no way of spinning that into a positive

    And dare I say it, the arrogance and passive aggression contained in some of ACE's retorts to statements he doesn't agree with undoes the excellent statistical analysis he contributes.


  • #2880
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,888 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Speak Now wrote: »
    And the picture is Waterford city, I wonder did he get them to roll down the windows to find out where they are going! Great front page for Waterford News and Star I guess.

    What a backward idiot. Despise that siege small minded anti outsider petty crap. Small town provincial Ireland unfortunately like that sometimes


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  • #2881
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Arghus wrote: »
    I'm not being ignorant Citizen, there's frankly no need to get snippy.

    I missed the first ten minutes of the press conference, I presume what you are referring too was in that first segment.

    I understand that today increase is explained by outbreaks in certain settings that, hopefully, they've got on top of. I amn't jumping to conclusions right away that we're fcked: we just have to wait and see and hope that it was a quickly identified blip.

    But, at the same time, the CMO was concerned. He literally said that he was concerned. Now, he wasn't panicking and he wasn't shouting about it, but you could see that he wasn't a 100% confident about things. Hence, the concern.

    You seem to be disregarding this completely. Obviously your inclination is to be positive - fine - but also you have to try to be objective.
    You're making you're assumption based on the 1 negative thing he said vs the 10 positive things he said. I'm not sure why you're preaching objectivity with that argument? It's called being realistic. We have 79 cases, the majority of which are isolated outbreaks in 6 counties today. Why on earth should that be of concern to me?


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