Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

schmoo2k · 30-07-2020 04:36PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's dodgy as fcuk to be honest. Not all outgoing Irish travellers would be on social welfare so there's definitely something hairy about this. To set up a desk and request information from outgoing travellers to establish what their income is.

How many travellers would even know have PPS number to hand I wonder? I know I certainly wouldn't hand mine out to random people at the airport.

schmoo2k · 30-07-2020 04:37PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Department of Coronavirus. Jesus that is funny.

Don't encourage the creation of more ministries, its fewer we need.

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 04:37PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Hopefully they can clarify the discrepancy, if we have a capable journalist to ask!

Quick back of the envelope calculations from 11th July to today, I have 475 positive tests and so far 331 new cases (excluding what's to be announced today and excluding any denotifications). That's a difference of 144.

Hardly? Christ, I didn’t think there was that much of a discrepancy.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 04:40PM

Check out the craic in Bulgaria.

The germans going mad over it.
They've brought in mandatory testing at airports.
Hopefully not too many went there from here.
That video is of club opening.
Link shows a foam party.
Stone cold granny killers.

https://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/schaumpartys-grossraum-disko-alkohol-in-stroemen-corona-ist-da-aber-das-juckt-in-bulgarien-keinen-deutsche-partyurlauber-am-goldstrand_id_12257488.html

A short video of the second day of the two-day parties on the occasion of the opening of the 2020 season of Bounce Club - Sunny Beach.

caveat emptor · 30-07-2020 04:41PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

The huge majority of europe has this under control save for hot spots in a few countries and east european countries in the Romania Bulgaria region

Reminds me of the map when only Lombardy was red.

Wolf359f · 30-07-2020 04:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Hardly? Christ, I didn’t think there was that much of a discrepancy.

I have 28,772 positive tests reported on the dashboard on Saturday 11th July. I hope my sums are wrong.

Maybe it's just the testing of close contacts on day zero and 7 days later and both days being positive.
As the discrepancy has never been so high before and one thing that's changed has been testing close contacts on day zero and day 7.

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 04:44PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I have 28,772 positive tests reported on the dashboard on Saturday 11th July. I hope my sums are wrong.

Maybe it's just the testing of close contacts on day zero and 7 days later and both days being positive.
As the discrepancy has never been so high before and one thing that's changed has been testing close contacts on day zero and day 7.

I completely forgot about the day 7 testing, hopefully a low number tonight will back up that logic

mirrorwall14 · 30-07-2020 04:46PM

What time do the numbers come these days?

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 04:47PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

What time do the numbers come these days?

5:45 for last few days but theres a presser tonight

mirrorwall14 · 30-07-2020 04:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

5:45 for last few days but theres a presser tonight

Press conferences are usually before the 6 o clock news right?

ChelseaRentBoy · 30-07-2020 04:48PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

You’re agreeing with a very obvious (and hilarious) troll account.

If you think he's trolling report it and dont be responding to it.

ACitizenErased · 30-07-2020 04:49PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Press conferences are usually before the 6 o clock news right?

Yeah usually, sometimes they can be on later

ShyMets · 30-07-2020 04:51PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

If you think he's trolling report it and dont be responding to it.

So you think they're not a WUM

eigrod · 30-07-2020 04:52PM

https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1288839813915791360?s=21

Wolf359f · 30-07-2020 04:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I completely forgot about the day 7 testing, hopefully a low number tonight will back up that logic

I'm always hoping for low numbers!
I just hope someone asks them at the press conference tonight. NPHET do seem open with figures and if they are asked for a certain group or reasoning behind a certain increase, they seem to have the answer.
I certainly don't subscribe to the theory of them holding back figures for 'scare' tactics.

One thing I don't understand is with such low numbers on covid wards, would it not make sense for those patients be transfered to ICU. To free up a ward and so they get the best of care possible, while freeing up beds. Imagine been stuck in a ward on your own, no visitors, no other patients. Must be a horrible time.

What Username Guidelines · 30-07-2020 05:06PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I have 28,772 positive tests reported on the dashboard on Saturday 11th July. I hope my sums are wrong.

Maybe it's just the testing of close contacts on day zero and 7 days later and both days being positive.
As the discrepancy has never been so high before and one thing that's changed has been testing close contacts on day zero and day 7.

I presume with day0/day7 testing, if you test positive on day 0 they don't bother with day 7. But maybe now that they mentioned half of yesterday's tests were close contacts and asymptomatic, perhaps they're re-testing on day 7 to confirm? All guess work obviously.

With positive tests in the 0.2-0.4% bracket, we're well below the false positive threshold of the PCR test (~1%) so maybe they're double checking asymptomatics?

Boggles · 30-07-2020 05:12PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

One thing I don't understand is with such low numbers on covid wards, would it not make sense for those patients be transfered to ICU

Would ICU not be used for patients requiring ICU?

Strumms · 30-07-2020 05:14PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm always hoping for low numbers!
I just hope someone asks them at the press conference tonight. NPHET do seem open with figures and if they are asked for a certain group or reasoning behind a certain increase, they seem to have the answer.
I certainly don't subscribe to the theory of them holding back figures for 'scare' tactics.

One thing I don't understand is with such low numbers on covid wards, would it not make sense for those patients be transfered to ICU. To free up a ward and so they get the best of care possible, while freeing up beds. Imagine been stuck in a ward on your own, no visitors, no other patients. Must be a horrible time.

ICU beds should remain vacant unless the persons condition warrants intensive care. Imagine the reaction if you were a doctor, going about your checks, patient calls you... “hi doctor, I’m wondering if I can go to ICU ?”. The doctor then says “why, the condition as you are in now doesn’t warrant you needing intensive care / treatment” .. patient.. “yes, but I’ve nobody to talk to, I’m another needy bastard who believes the mechanics of this situation should be changed so that I can be in icu, near people, saying things to people, them saying things to me”....

iamwhoiam · 30-07-2020 05:14PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm always hoping for low numbers!
I just hope someone asks them at the press conference tonight. NPHET do seem open with figures and if they are asked for a certain group or reasoning behind a certain increase, they seem to have the answer.
I certainly don't subscribe to the theory of them holding back figures for 'scare' tactics.

One thing I don't understand is with such low numbers on covid wards, would it not make sense for those patients be transfered to ICU. To free up a ward and so they get the best of care possible, while freeing up beds. Imagine been stuck in a ward on your own, no visitors, no other patients. Must be a horrible time.

That would mean having a Covid patient in ICU with other non Covid ICU patients then ? ICU is usually an open unit with four or six very sick patients . They would need to be sheltered away from any Covid patients

Plus its not like ICU patients are going to be full of craic and gossip to help out a lonely Covid patient !!

Wolf359f · 30-07-2020 05:19PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

That would mean having a Covid patient in ICU with other non Covid ICU patients then ? ICU is usually an open unit with four or six very sick patients . They would need to be sheltered away from any Covid patients

I've never been in ICU, but I assume it's not just a single room with a single bed. If it's 6 bed with 1 in use and 5 vacant and then the ICU ward would have another patient with 5 vacant beds. Just seems like as the numbers are low and there's a demand on regular beds it could free up capacity.

If they actually have covid patients and non covid patients in the same room in an ICU.... That just sounds crazy.

An Ciarraioch · 30-07-2020 05:22PM

Herman Cain has died after contracting Covid-19 at Trump's Tulsa rally.

iamwhoiam · 30-07-2020 05:26PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I've never been in ICU, but I assume it's not just a single room with a single bed. If it's 6 bed with 1 in use and 5 vacant and then the ICU ward would have another patient with 5 vacant beds. Just seems like as the numbers are low and there's a demand on regular beds it could free up capacity.

If they actually have covid patients and non covid patients in the same room in an ICU.... That just sounds crazy.

If you don’t need to be in ICU then in all honesty you really don’t want to be there
Putting a Covid patient who doesn’t need ICU would be crazy in fairness .

Strumms · 30-07-2020 05:30PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Herman Cain has died after contracting Covid-19 at Trump's Tulsa rally.

Cain was admitted to an Atlanta-area hospital on July 1, 2020, for treatment of COVID-19, two days after he was told he tested positive for the virus.His staff said there was no way to be certain where or in what way he contracted the disease.He had attended a Trump rally in Tulsa 11 days earlier without wearing a mask or socially distancing. Earlier on the same day he went to the hospital, Cain praised South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem for not requiring masks at an upcoming Trump campaign event, saying "Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump. PEOPLE ARE FED UP!"Four weeks later, he was still hospitalized and being treated with oxygen., Cain died of complications of COVID-19

No loss, like most hardline hardcore republicans he sounds like a gigantic fûckwit.

Amirani · 30-07-2020 05:35PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Hopefully they can clarify the discrepancy, if we have a capable journalist to ask!

Quick back of the envelope calculations from 11th July to today, I have 475 positive tests and so far 331 new cases (excluding what's to be announced today and excluding any denotifications). That's a difference of 144.

There will be a decent proportion of those in the update today. Rest of the difference would be the same positives being tested more than once; serial testing, close contacts etc.

Wolf359f · 30-07-2020 05:35PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If you don’t need to be in ICU then in all honesty you really don’t want to be there
Putting a Covid patient who doesn’t need ICU would be crazy in fairness .

I'm not saying they should be ventilated or anything crazy like that. I'm just wondering if hospitals that are covid free, do they still have a vacant ward and vacant ICU ward dedicated to covid, in case someone arrives to hospital with covid, needs care.

If we have to live with this for the foreseeable future and hopefully with low case numbers, we also need elective surgery to go ahead, so every bed counts.

Gael23 · 30-07-2020 05:36PM

Nice big number again next Tuesday and then They have a excuse not to open pubs

What Username Guidelines · 30-07-2020 05:38PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I've never been in ICU, but I assume it's not just a single room with a single bed. If it's 6 bed with 1 in use and 5 vacant and then the ICU ward would have another patient with 5 vacant beds. Just seems like as the numbers are low and there's a demand on regular beds it could free up capacity.

If they actually have covid patients and non covid patients in the same room in an ICU.... That just sounds crazy.

Depends on the ICU - some have separate rooms, some are more like wards. Right now there are only 2 patients in hospital outside of ICU, and would likely be in side-rooms as opposed to empty wards, though may be in a Covid-specific ward still to ensure no staff-contamination.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If you don’t need to be in ICU then in all honesty you really don’t want to be there
Putting a Covid patient who doesn’t need ICU would be crazy in fairness .

There are scenarios where patients may go to ICU 'just in case' for certain treatments, or if the ICU has some capacity and separate rooms, they may treat covid patients there if it's deemed safer for infection control.

Widdensushi · 30-07-2020 05:40PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Nice big number again next Tuesday and then They have a excuse not to open pubs

Pubs will be open, they just want to get past the bank holiday

JP Liz V1 · 30-07-2020 05:40PM

Hoping the R number is down below 1

What Username Guidelines · 30-07-2020 05:44PM

The last line may trigger some in here, but this is from an NHS ICU doc. Not sure if there's an agenda, but interesting point of view on europe's "Second wave"

https://twitter.com/SepsisUK/status/1288874104200847362?s=20

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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