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Madeleine McCann

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  • #3662
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That came up in one of the documentaries. It turns out the tapas bar crowd had booked the same table for the week of the holiday and their reservation was written in a book in the reception that all staff had access to. So maybe CB got a tip off. The tip off may have been "That would be a good time for a burglary", but CB got a different idea.

    Why would a staff member tip off CB? Did CB offer them money? I'm sure all the staff have been looked at by police. This doesn't add up to me.


  • #3663
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    How did he see an opportunity? Decided to check apartment to see if they were unlocked and hoped a child would be left alone inside?

    Well it had on the note that the Tapas group needed to be close to the apartment to check on the kids so high chance if they were waving them the days befit they knew the kids were inside n who they were.


  • #3664
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    Why would a staff member tip off CB? Did CB offer them money? I'm sure all the staff have been looked at by police. This doesn't add up to me.

    His girlfriend at the time was an accomplice to his burglaries. Maybe she told him about the mccanns routine and when he heard the kids were alone asleep he decided to take a child.

    The ex girlfriend now works as a hotel receptionist so who knows if she was working in the resort at the time.


  • #3665
    [Deleted User]
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    Montageofhell wrote: »
    How did he see an opportunity? Decided to check apartment to see if they were unlocked and hoped a child would be left alone inside?

    Watching the area for a couple of nights in a row he would have seen the pattern. During the day x number of adults and their x number of kids. Come 9 o'clock the same number of adults in the Tapas Bar, but where are the kids? Observes the checks going on every 30 minutes, so after the last checker has left, he knows he has 30 minutes. Observing the checkers, they don't unlock the doors going in, or lock them when leaving, so he knows they are unlocked.


  • #3666
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    The Mc Canns & Co had been doing this for a few nights so the element of risk was always going to be there for CB but that night he decided to go for it with the phone call I’m sure he was told what’s happening and the checks were regular as clock work. In and out of the apartment and carried her away while she was sleeping without waking her up. This is possible because the twins never woke up during all the commotion so they must of been given a heavy sedative so Madeleine presumably has true same which aided the abductor accidentally by the parents and there was no child screaming or anything cause she was out cold. If they didn’t wake during all that commotion Madeline wouldn’t of some by just being carried away.

    Were the checks regular as clockwork?


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  • #3667
    yourdeadwright
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    I can't see it being pre planned I reckon it was totally opportunist

    Iv driven through Europe a few times and have never been stopped any where

    To be honest it would be an absolute miracle for him to be stopped and caught,

    Sure by the time anyone was looking for her out side of the resort it was the next day ,
    How long was it till anyone even thought to look for her outside of Portugal ? He'd have easily been back in Germany

    Also back then crap looking campers where packed up in all kind of weird places all over Europe and no one paid any notice to them

    He probably just went to steal something as it was the apartment beside the street and took her,
    If he was planning it he would not try to take a child with two other children in the same room , he'd look for a lone child much less chance of hassle ,


  • #3668
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    His girlfriend at the time was an accomplice to his burglaries. Maybe she told him about the mccanns routine and when he heard the kids were alone asleep he decided to take a child.

    The ex girlfriend now works as a hotel receptionist so who knows if she was working in the resort at the time.

    I'm sure the police forces who investigated this know who the staff were at the time at the very least.


  • #3669
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    Were the checks regular as clockwork?

    Enough to see the pattern of with alcohol they could of been longer, time passes quickly. Either way long enough to pick up and child and walk straight out into the night.


  • #3670
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Watching the area for a couple of nights in a row he would have seen the pattern. During the day x number of adults and their x number of kids. Come 9 o'clock the same number of adults in the Tapas Bar, but where are the kids? Observes the checks going on every 30 minutes, so after the last checker has left, he knows he has 30 minutes. Observing the checkers, they don't unlock the doors going in, or lock them when leaving, so he knows they are unlocked.

    It could be possible of course. A strange man hanging around in a van or whatever he was driving for a few days would probably gain attention though.


  • #3671
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Redordeadqwwer wrote: »
    This is what I think happened. Whether it was CB or not I don't know. But I think the kids were given calpol or something else. Then an intruder took Madeleine.

    Why would they be given calpol??


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  • #3672
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I can't see it being pre planned I reckon it was totally opportunist

    Iv driven through Europe a few times and have never been stopped any where

    To be honest it would be an absolute miracle for him to be stopped and caught,

    Sure by the time anyone was looking for her out side of the resort it was the next day ,
    How long was it till anyone even thought to look for her outside of Portugal ? He'd have easily been back in Germany

    Also back then crap looking campers where packed up in all kind of weird places all over Europe and no one paid any notice to them

    He probably just went to steal something as it was the apartment beside the street and took her,
    If he was planning it he would not try to take a child with two other children in the same room , he'd look for a lone child much less chance of hassle ,

    This is more likely I think. Pre-planned doesn't stack up for me. Of course, we might never know.


  • #3673
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    It could be possible of course. A strange man hanging around in a van or whatever he was driving for a few days would probably gain attention though.

    He wasn’t strange though he lived there and was familiar to the area, reports of men walking round by the apartments in the days before and the bogus collectors too so in tourist spots there’s no such thing as strange ppl cause nobody knows anymore mostly.
    Montageofhell wrote: »
    This is more likely I think. Pre-planned doesn't stack up for me. Of course, we might never know.

    Both are very plausible.


  • #3674
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    It could be possible of course. A strange man hanging around in a van or whatever he was driving for a few days would probably gain attention though.

    The Algarve in summer, there are camper vans from all over Europe, all along the coast. What constitutes a 'strange man'? And gain attention from who?


  • #3675
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    He wasn’t strange though he lived there and was familiar to the area, reports of men walking round by the apartments in the days before and the bogus collectors too so in tourist spots there’s no such thing as strange ppl cause nobody knows anymore mostly.



    Both are very plausible.

    There wouldn't be reports of strange men walking round the apartments if it wasn't strange. People notice these things. If he was hanging around, he would have been noticed.


  • #3676
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    This is more likely I think. Pre-planned doesn't stack up for me. Of course, we might never know.

    Hes described as a drifter doesn't sound like someone into pre planning ,

    But for argument sake if he was really into planning surely you would not go for a child with two younger children in the room it makes no sense
    Straight away you have 3 screaming kids to worry about , so you can't be a criminal mastermind and make that call at the same time,

    I reckon he went to steal something as it was road side and stumbled upon the kids,


  • #3677
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    There wouldn't be reports of strange men walking round the apartments if it wasn't strange. People notice these things. If he was hanging around, he would have been noticed.

    How many times have you walked past a camper parked at the side of the road among cars on holidays and never even taken notice of it ?

    In the evening there is always people walking around so why would you think he was strange, In any resort town on any given night you'd walk past hundreds of people and take no notice at all ,


  • #3678
    AVFC.Stephen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭AVFC.Stephen


    Quick question

    Will the german authorities have to release what they found at the cellar whether its maddie related or not??

    Some of the officers in the pics look fairly distraught with whatever they are looking at. Could be related to other missing children etc.

    Anyways just curious if they have to release any statement going forward and how long it would take...


  • #3679
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    There wouldn't be reports of strange men walking round the apartments if it wasn't strange. People notice these things. If he was hanging around, he would have been noticed.

    He was local, yes there was reports of suspicious activity but that was after the fact not reported at the time.


  • #3680
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    AVFC.Stephen wrote: »
    Quick question

    Will the german authorities have to release what they found at the cellar whether its maddie related or not??

    Some of the officers in the pics look fairly distraught with whatever they are looking at. Could be related to other missing children etc.

    Anyways just curious if they have to release any statement going forward and how long it would take...

    I don’t know for definite but they have been fairly open so far so I’m sure they’ll release info if they need to out the frighteners up an accomplice or if they found evidence to convict CB and that might get him to speak to his lawyer to cut him a deal before everything else is exposed. Interesting to see how it pans out but I’m sure they’ll update us once everything is investigated whatever was unearthed.


  • #3681
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The Algarve in summer, there are camper vans from all over Europe, all along the coast. What constitutes a 'strange man'? And gain attention from who?

    If a camper van was parked outside apartments for a few days with a man watching from there, that's strange.


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  • #3682
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Hes described as a drifter doesn't sound like someone into pre planning ,

    But for argument sake if he was really into planning surely you would not go for a child with two younger children in the room it makes no sense
    Straight away you have 3 screaming kids to worry about , so you can't be a criminal mastermind and make that call at the same time,

    I reckon he went to steal something as it was road side and stumbled upon the kids,

    Far more plausible. Him staking out the apartment, having insiders informing him etc is just not believable.


  • #3683
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    AVFC.Stephen wrote: »
    Quick question

    Will the german authorities have to release what they found at the cellar whether its maddie related or not??

    Some of the officers in the pics look fairly distraught with whatever they are looking at. Could be related to other missing children etc.

    Anyways just curious if they have to release any statement going forward and how long it would take...

    Well over here recently they found that body in Rathmines they announced it straight away but it took weeks to get the data to pinpoint who it was,

    With the Maddie case being so huge I can't see them saying they found a body until they actually knew who's body it was .


  • #3684
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    How many times have you walked past a camper parked at the side of the road among cars on holidays and never even taken notice of it ?

    In the evening there is always people walking around so why would you think he was strange, In any resort town on any given night you'd walk past hundreds of people and take no notice at all ,

    We're talking about him staking out the apartment. If you look at the area on google maps or whatever. The same campervan with a man hanging around would gain attention.


  • #3685
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    He was local, yes there was reports of suspicious activity but that was after the fact not reported at the time.

    Exactly, something like this would stick in people's minds. All sorts of people were reported as suspicious.


  • #3686
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    We're talking about him staking out the apartment. If you look at the area on google maps or whatever. The same campervan with a man hanging around would gain attention.

    Even if someone did report him for suspicious behaviour it would have been reported to the same police force who took an hour to show up to investigate a missing child so I'm sure they wouldn't be any quicker to act on someone acting suspicious


  • #3687
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    We're talking about him staking out the apartment. If you look at the area on google maps or whatever. The same campervan with a man hanging around would gain attention.


    I'm not talking about him staking out the apartment. Instead I'm suggesting he wandered around the area a few nights in a row and established patterns in multiple places. It maybe started out as scoping places for burglaries and then discovered the McCanns and their vulnerable pattern.


  • #3688
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not talking about him staking out the apartment. Instead I'm suggesting he wandered around the area a few nights in a row and established patterns in multiple places. It maybe started out as scoping places for burglaries and then discovered the McCanns and their vulnerable pattern.

    I just don't find that plausible

    If he was going to them lengths he'd notice 3 kids and write it off ,
    I reckon he just happened to be walking by or parked up and just noticed one of the McCann's leaving the villa ,

    Probably had a quick look to see where they went and seen them settle down for drinks or food and decided great a apartment to rob with an easy get away ,

    The rest was pure chance,


  • #3689
    [Deleted User]
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    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    I just don't find that plausible

    If he was going to them lengths he'd notice 3 kids and write it off ,
    I reckon he just happened to be walking by or parked up and just noticed one of the McCann's leaving the villa ,

    Probably had a quick look to see where they went and seen them settle down for drinks or food and decided great a apartment to rob with an easy get away ,

    The rest was pure chance,


    I'm sorry but I don't find your take plausible.



    The woman he raped in 2005 said in her witness statement that it felt like a planned procedure.



    I don't think he would have escaped being caught for so long if there was no element of planning in his activities.


  • #3690
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    If a camper van was parked outside apartments for a few days with a man watching from there, that's strange.

    Do you not understand he lived there so he didn’t need to have the van outside the apartments everyday, there was no van spotted anywhere near the apartments on the night of the incident.


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  • #3691
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm sorry but I don't find your take plausible.



    The woman he raped in 2005 said in her witness statement that it felt like a planned procedure.



    I don't think he would have escaped being caught for so long if there was no element of planning in his activities.

    I agree, can’t just have seen someone leave and chance that nobody was left behind or a teenager or other adults.


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