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Madeleine McCann

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  • #3602
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Whatever else they do, and with their very last breathS, there is a small cohort of obsessiveS who will keep stabbing Kate McCann with their little social media pitch forks, because she made a mistake 13 years ago and she’s suffered horrifically for it, but for these small few she hasn’t suffered enough and must be tortured until the very end.
    And even today, which must be unbearably stressful for them, they feel the overwhelming need to get those little stabs in. It’s like watching a small wicked child pulling the wings off a butterfly.

    The parents were very wrong to leave their child/children alone to be abducted. What's wrong with saying that?

    Most parents and others would think the same.

    Some obsessives will think the opposite. We are all entitled to our views.


  • #3603
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    I’m not talking about your morality if you read it correctly. Where did I say they aren’t victims? Stop putting words I haven’t said into your reply please, thanks.

    The parents are still the only ppl known to have seen Madeleine alive last, you have no evidence to the contrary and if you do please share it because you can’t say I’m totally wrong otherwise. They need to turn off online because of the vile hatred that’ll never ever change.

    In your post you asked me to “have some morality”. I have no idea what you mean by that? You said that Madeleine is the victim “no one else”. Again, do you understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty? It’s the basic premise of law? Nobody has to prove that theyre innocent. I thought everyone knew this. There’s absolutely no evidence that the McCanns had anything to do with their child’s disappearance. That’s why there were no charges. That’s why there was no trial.
    So yes, I can lawfully say that your totally wrong, because your are totally wrong. It’s up to you, in fact, to prove that your not wrong.


  • #3604
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The parents were very wrong to leave their child/children alone to be abducted. What's wrong with saying that?

    Most parents and others would think the same.

    Some obsessives will think the opposite. We are all entitled to our views.

    Obsessives



    Let's quote you here.

    "(Doesn't absolve the parents from leaving her alone though, had to say that to be consistent you understand)."



    Obsessives indeed...


    Just for clarity. No one in this life needs your absolution. You ain't a god and I'd doubt your a saint either.


  • #3605
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The parents were very wrong to leave their child/children alone to be abducted. What's wrong with saying that?

    Most parents and others would think the same.

    Some obsessives will think the opposite. We are all entitled to our views.

    Lest we forget for a mere 30 seconds that you think leaving the children alone was wrong, when you mention it in every single post you’ve ever made on this topic for at least 10 years. We know. We get it.

    The monumental evidence is stacking up against CB by the hour here and I think it’s in very poor taste to use that as yet another opportunity to twist the knife.
    Whether you intend it or not, all it serves to do is absolve the person who took her & did god knows what with her of any responsibility.
    It’s completely heartless and quite nasty, to be honest.

    Even now it’s been discovered he has a secret cellar, detectives and the police force have been seen crying and emotional at the scene and you are still harping on about them leaving the kids.

    All evidence is pointing towards a violent rapist & pedophile taking their 3 year old daughter and you still don’t have it in you to have any compassion for them. You still don’t think they’ve suffered enough.
    It’s actually depressing and worrying that there are people out there who think like that.


  • #3606
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Whatever else they do, and with their very last breathS, there is a small cohort of obsessiveS who will keep stabbing Kate McCann with their little social media pitch forks, because she made a mistake 13 years ago and she’s suffered horrifically for it, but for these small few she hasn’t suffered enough and must be tortured until the very end.
    And even today, which must be unbearably stressful for them, they feel the overwhelming need to get those little stabs in. It’s like watching a small wicked child pulling the wings off a butterfly.

    Well to be absolutely fair, if the kids had been in the bar/restaurant sleeping in their buggies, as is usual and totally accepted in such places, the child would never have disappeared.


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  • #3607
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well to be absolutely fair, if the kids had been in the bar/restaurant sleeping in their buggies, as is usual and totally accepted in such places, the child would never have disappeared.

    Still banging that drum!


  • #3608
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Still banging that drum!

    Yes, it might not be the norm in Ireland but it is most certainly accepted in the Med countries. It is their culture.


  • #3609
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Would not have happened if parents cared for their children.

    Amazed that you might have followed my posts for ten years, WTF.

    It’s actually astonishing that you direct more vitriol and judgement towards her parents than you do the person who actually took her.
    Lots of things wouldn’t happen if parents didn’t make mistakes, but it doesn’t mean they don’t deserve sympathy or compassion when the worst happens.
    By worst, I mean a convicted child rapist kidnapping your toddler and not knowing what happened her for 13 years.
    They’ve suffered and are suffering enough. Take a day off and try having a bit of compassion.


  • #3610
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,749 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well to be absolutely fair, if the kids had been in the bar/restaurant sleeping in their buggies, as is usual and totally accepted in such places, the child would never have disappeared.

    If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike!


  • #3611
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    splinter65 wrote: »
    In your post you asked me to “have some morality”. I have no idea what you mean by that? You said that Madeleine is the victim “no one else”. Again, do you understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty? It’s the basic premise of law? Nobody has to prove that theyre innocent. I thought everyone knew this. There’s absolutely no evidence that the McCanns had anything to do with their child’s disappearance. That’s why there were no charges. That’s why there was no trial.
    So yes, I can lawfully say that your totally wrong, because your are totally wrong. It’s up to you, in fact, to prove that your not wrong.

    Lawfully ha will you get over yourself. Unless you have proof someone else did it then the parents are under suspicion as they are the last to see her alive so take that to your kangaroo court. I didn’t ask you to have morality if you read it right I’m talking in general terms if you didn’t understand that then I’m making it clear now if I made it unclear then I hold my hand up for that. IMO the parents are still under suspicion until someone else is proven to have taken her while she was alive otherwise the Buck stops with the parents as they are the last to be known to be with her when she was alive.


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  • #3612
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    It’s actually astonishing that you direct more vitriol and judgement towards her parents than you do the person who actually took her.
    Lots of things wouldn’t happen if parents didn’t make mistakes, but it doesn’t mean they don’t deserve sympathy or compassion when the worst happens.
    By worst, I mean a convicted child rapist kidnapping your toddler and not knowing what happened her for 13 years.
    They’ve suffered and are suffering enough. Take a day off and try having a bit of compassion.

    At the end of the day the parents are responsible for the safety of their children, there is no way out of that really.

    A mistake can happen, but not five or whatever nights in a row.


  • #3613
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The parents were very wrong to leave their child/children alone to be abducted. What's wrong with saying that?

    Most parents and others would think the same.

    Some obsessives will think the opposite. We are all entitled to our views.

    "Most parents and others would thing the same" ... since it happened.

    Kids being left on their own were common practice (more so before M M and Jamie Holger).

    Same as when I used to have a few pints and drive home back in the 80s. Horrifying now but par for the course back then.

    I remember aged 12 I'd get in from school and start the dinner for the parents when they'd get home at 6. Also very long periods where they'd let us as very young kids wander away on our own for hours during holidays. When we eventually got back they'd head out for the night and we'd stay up watching telly playing board games till all hours.

    Every day your kids could potentially die, whether it be crossing the road or some other freek accident. It's easy to take to tut-tutting and the moral high ground, but when someone's child dies the time for moralising and educating is over.


  • #3614
    TheQuietBeatle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭TheQuietBeatle


    The whole conversation about parents is getting a bit boring now.

    They will have life sentence of guilt and public shame to deal with.


  • #3615
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    At the end of the day the parents are responsible for the safety of their children, there is no way out of that really.

    A mistake can happen, but not five or whatever nights in a row.

    Obsessive.


    Like not ordinary obsessive.


    Ultra obsessive. It's a bit weird.


  • #3616
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The parents were at fault here.

    If the child was abducted it was because she was left alone.


  • #3617
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Anyway back onto the latest news, I’m sure it’ll be a few weeks until we hear anything from the excavations. Hopefully more ppl will come forward room Hanover if they have seen anything or recall anything from back then that will be freshened in their minds after the searches of this area the past few days.


  • #3618
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The parents were at fault here.

    If the child was abducted it was because she was left alone.

    Absolutely disgusting post. Madeleine was abducted because an evil person decided to kidnap her. By saying things like that you are absolving the perpetrator of any guilt or responsibility and that’s disgraceful.


  • #3619
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    TheQuietBeatle wrote: »
    The whole conversation about parents is getting a bit boring now.

    They will have life sentence of guilt and public shame to deal with.[/QUOTE]

    Rightly so IMO. They were absolved of any guilt because they were doctors and not Chavs or morons.

    Not working for me anyway.


  • #3620
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Absolutely disgusting post. Madeleine was abducted because an evil person decided to kidnap her. By saying things like that you are absolving the perpetrator of any guilt or responsibility and that’s disgraceful.

    And you are absolving the parents of the same thing, you know those who went drinking night after night. But that's ok for you, but most parents would not do it.


  • #3621
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    And you are absolving the parents of the same thing, you know those who went drinking night after night. But that's ok for you, but most parents would not do it.

    Quote where I said it was acceptable or ok or retract your accusation. You know quite well that I have never said such a thing.


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  • #3622
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The parents were at fault here.

    If the child was abducted it was because she was left alone.

    There aren't really words for describing this level of utter weirdness.

    Perplexing how individuals have this level of vitriol. Mad . Just bizarre


  • #3623
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The parents were at fault here.

    If the child was abducted it was because she was left alone.

    Your getting a bit George Hookish now.

    The child was abducted because someone abducted her.
    Victim blaming I think the term is


  • #3624
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Quote where I said it was acceptable or ok or retract your accusation. You know quite well that I have never said such a thing.

    ODFOK dear.

    Get a life and concentrate on the reality that happened in PdL that night.

    Any comment on the fact that if the parents had cocooned their babies within their sight, the loss of Madeleine would never have happened, would it?

    Gwan now.


  • #3625
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭Treppen


    listermint wrote: »
    There aren't really words for describing this level of utter weirdness.

    Perplexing how individuals have this level of vitriol. Mad . Just bizarre

    It just makes them feel better when others are made to feel worse


  • #3626
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well to be absolutely fair, if the kids had been in the bar/restaurant sleeping in their buggies, as is usual and totally accepted in such places, the child would never have disappeared.

    Spanish eyes I think that it’s time for you to get off that fence and tell us all how you really feel about the childminding arrangements the McCanns had made on that holiday. I’ve just realised that you never mention anything about that at all.
    You should also tell us what you think is normal and acceptable when bringing children on holidays. Your opinion on this will be held in high esteem but we just don’t know what it is?


  • #3627
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    listermint wrote: »
    There aren't really words for describing this level of utter weirdness.

    Perplexing how individuals have this level of vitriol. Mad . Just bizarre

    Well if the kids had been with the parents, who could have abducted them?


  • #3628
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Spanish eyes I think that it’s time for you to get off that fence and tell us all how you really feel about the childminding arrangements the McCanns had made on that holiday. I’ve just realised that you never mention anything about that at all.
    You should also tell us what you think is normal and acceptable when bringing children on holidays. Your opinion on this will be held in high esteem but we just don’t know what it is?

    Not going to be told anything my dear Splinter. When you try to explain you are losing. As you know.


  • #3629
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Lawfully ha will you get over yourself. Unless you have proof someone else did it then the parents are under suspicion as they are the last to see her alive so take that to your kangaroo court. I didn’t ask you to have morality if you read it right I’m talking in general terms if you didn’t understand that then I’m making it clear now if I made it unclear then I hold my hand up for that. IMO the parents are still under suspicion until someone else is proven to have taken her while she was alive otherwise the Buck stops with the parents as they are the last to be known to be with her when she was alive.

    Big long rant I can’t make sense of. But I can gather from it that “morality”is not what you think it is, neither is “kangaroo court” and the notion of “innocent till proven guilty” went right over your head.


  • #3630
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Not going to be told anything my dear Splinter. When you try to explain you are losing. As you know.
    Oh lord.


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  • #3631
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Well if the kids had been with the parents, who could have abducted them?

    Have you thought at all if starting a gofundme to help the German with his legal expenses? I mean, you’ve totally absolved him of all responsibility here. It’s utterly ridiculous that he be persecuted in this manner when it was clearly not his fault that he stole that child?


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