Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

bladespin · 28-07-2020 02:13PM

beaz2018 wrote: »

Simon Harris's quote yesterday "I do not want to see anyone in the airport going on holidays this year". Absolutely outrageous.

What an arrogant twat, actually thought he had done quite well (give his back team a shout out), guess he really liked 'Simon says' as a kid.

Eh, no, look away now Simon, there's a good whateveryouare.

s1ippy · 28-07-2020 02:21PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Holidays pose risk.

Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities to perform contact tracing. Guess that's how they can say our planes are safe. Just don't engage.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20

That needs to be shared again and again to drill the point home.

Profit over people.

28-07-2020 02:23PM

carveone wrote: »

You can read between the lines. If I was taking my private jet to my tax shelter in Gibraltar, I wouldn't be seen dead in the actual like airport.

Peasant! Private jets and passengers still need to clear security and passport control.

bladespin · 28-07-2020 02:34PM

s1ippy wrote: »

That needs to be shared again and again to drill the point home.

Profit over people.

What are you on about? Ryanair cannot share your data without your permission or some sort of legal order, not sure what you're suggesting they are doing????

gral6 · 28-07-2020 02:36PM

s1ippy wrote: »

That needs to be shared again and again to drill the point home.

Profit over people.

Thanks God they are still flying despite all the efforts by current Irish government to kill all the aviation industry in the republic. If I was O'Leary, I would have moved all Dublin's Ryanair base over to Belfasr already, Ireland turned into a joke country now.

boetstark · 28-07-2020 02:37PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Anyone with a brain can go without a holiday for one year. Going on holiday during a bloody pandemic and then whinging when travel restrictions get brought in or changed is completely stupid behaviour. When I see the carry on of some people it’s like the last 5 months didn’t happen at all.

I've seen photos from kilkee and Dingle from last week. People like cattle, loads not wearing masks , weather pure sh#t , so People mostly in shops and cafes. No policing of social distancing and wearing masks. Plenty of American accents around in dingle.
And they have the cheek to tell people to stay and holiday at home. Just so irish restaurants and hotels and b&b's can rape the last cent out of people's wallets.
I know where my wallet and health would feel safer.

caveat emptor · 28-07-2020 02:38PM

bladespin wrote: »

What are you on about? Ryanair cannot share your data without your permission or some sort of legal order, not sure what you're suggesting they are doing????

So what's happening with social welfare. Data protection me hole.

They could at least engage with the public health officials instead of telling government that there's no evidence of person to person transmission.

They contacted people about a lost fvcking teddy and they can't say to the people you might have covid.

"Hey heads up. Family on your plane all had covid. Might want to get test before you kill your gran"

https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1288059434955145216?s=20

Plumbthedepths · 28-07-2020 02:44PM

boetstark wrote: »

I've seen photos from kilkee and Dingle from last week. People like cattle, loads not wearing masks , weather pure sh#t , so People mostly in shops and cafes. No policing of social distancing and wearing masks. Plenty of American accents around in dingle.
And they have the cheek to tell people to stay and holiday at home. Just so irish restaurants and hotels and b&b's can rape the last cent out of people's wallets.
I know where my wallet and health would feel safer.

Haven't holidayed in Ireland since 1996, hospitality sector in Ireland is a complete ripoff.

gral6 · 28-07-2020 02:44PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So what's happening with social welfare. Data protection me hole.

They could at least engage with the public health officials instead of telling government that there's no evidence of person to person transmission.

They contacted people about a lost fvcking teddy and they can't say to the people you might have covid.

"Hey heads up. Family on your plane all had covid. Might want to get test before you kill your gran"

https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1288059434955145216?s=20

Fair play to Ryanair!
I'll always fly with them !

bluelamp · 28-07-2020 02:49PM

s1ippy wrote: »

That needs to be shared again and again to drill the point home.

Profit over people.

Or you know the government should do it... because that's their job. What's the point of the locator forms otherwise?

Passenger locator forms have flight details and contact details. What do they need ryanair for? If the government had any sense they would have included a section for seat number to allow contact tracing of the relevant people instead of needlessly worrying someone who could have been 20 metres down the plane.

Ryanair and aer lingus are disinfecting their planes, requiring masks, no queueing allowed onboard, hand sanitiser at boarding gates, no cash handling etc. That's where their responsibility ends and rightly so.

caveat emptor · 28-07-2020 02:50PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Haven't holidayed in Ireland since 1996, hospitality sector in Ireland is a complete ripoff.

Yeah would be doubly expensive with the two wives. Especially if one is on the covid payment and the other is on a supermarket wage. #firstworld problems.
I feel your pain.

Plumbthedepths · 28-07-2020 02:52PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah would be doubly expensive with the two wives. Especially if one is on the covid payment and the other is on a supermarket wage. #firstworld problems.
I feel your pain.

So this is how it feels to be stalked? Thought it would feel weirder. Any more fake tweets from yourself lad?
Btw I never said she worked in a Supermarket but then again you're not adverse at making up stuff yourself. Really poor form posting a fake tweet about a government minister. You were reported for it by a few posters.

smurfjed · 28-07-2020 03:09PM

Private jets and passengers still need to clear security and passport control.

but usually not in the same airport or building as regular passengers.

smurfjed · 28-07-2020 03:11PM

s1ippy wrote: »

That needs to be shared again and again to drill the point home.

Profit over people.

People travelled on 16th, if the infection was caught onboard the aircraft, why haven’t other passengers reported issues with the same flight?

Limpy · 28-07-2020 03:14PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Anyone with a brain can go without a holiday for one year. Going on holiday during a bloody pandemic and then whinging when travel restrictions get brought in or changed is completely stupid behaviour. When I see the carry on of some people it’s like the last 5 months didn’t happen at all.

Some people are not happy to sit in their parent's basements.

Maybe government policy should stop travel and give refunds? Huh

Plumbthedepths · 28-07-2020 03:14PM

Airline industry laying out the facts for government.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40023326.html

bladespin · 28-07-2020 03:22PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So what's happening with social welfare. Data protection me hole.

They could at least engage with the public health officials

Who says they didn’t or haven’t been attempting to contact the passengers? A middle rank mgr wouldn’t have the clout.

Are you stating they’ve done nothing? Or just getting would up over a newspaper article?

Feria40 · 28-07-2020 03:24PM

I thought this was very interesting.

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0728/1155956-coronavirus-europe/

It's about fears of a second wave in Germany.

Noteworthy what the head of the RKI had to say. From the article:

The summer holiday season has prompted fears that tourists returning from destinations experiencing a surge in new cases like Spain could sow the seeds of a second wave.

But Dr Wieler downplayed that.

"It is irrelevant if you are on holiday or at home," he said. "The holiday is as much a part of the precautions against the spread of Covid-19 as your work and home life. The setting is irrelevant."

Any increase is down to personal negligence such as flouting social distancing rules according to the good doctor. The location or setting of where the virus is caught by someone is irrelevant

Limpy · 28-07-2020 03:30PM

Feria40 wrote: »

I thought this was very interesting.

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0728/1155956-coronavirus-europe/

It's about fears of a second wave in Germany.

Noteworthy what the head of the RKI had to say. From the article:

The summer holiday season has prompted fears that tourists returning from destinations experiencing a surge in new cases like Spain could sow the seeds of a second wave.

But Dr Wieler downplayed that.

"It is irrelevant if you are on holiday or at home," he said. "The holiday is as much a part of the precautions against the spread of Covid-19 as your work and home life. The setting is irrelevant."

Any increase is down to personal negligence such as flouting social distancing rules according to the good doctor. The location or setting of where the virus is caught by someone is irrelevant

Most doctors and health chiefs in Europe will echo that. Ireland hasn't a clue. The health system under this Government has become sub standard. There are countries with double the cases as Ireland but with only half the deaths.

caveat emptor · 28-07-2020 03:33PM

bladespin wrote: »

Who says they didn’t or haven’t been attempting to contact the passengers? A middle rash mgr wouldn’t have the clout.

Are you stating they’ve done nothing? Or just getting would up over a newspaper article?

I'm outraged actually based on this.......

Gudrun Widders, an official at the local health office in the Berlin-Spandau district, told the Bild newspaper that no one in the family has required hospital treatment.
She said that the health office had made repeated attempts to contact Ryanair so that the airline could contact other passengers who were on the plane, but that it has “so far had no feedback”.

It is not known if Ryanair has reacted to the information and informed other passengers who were on the same flight as the couple.

So while they send emails to inform people of lost teddies they don't inform people that they may have been exposed to someone with covid.

Furthermore they don't enable public health authorities to carry out contact tracing. Bloody disgrace.

Then you wonder why people say planes are safe?
They never follow up ir engage with public health. Genius.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/berlin-couple-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-manchester-visit?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1595930141

bluelamp · 28-07-2020 03:40PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm outraged actually based on this.......

So while they send emails to inform people of lost teddies they don't inform people that they may have been exposed to someone with covid.

Furthermore they don't enable public health authorities to carry out contact tracing. Bloody disgrace.

This is the governments job. Not Ryanair's.

Who are the passenger locator forms handed to? The government.

Where will you find the details of what passengers were on the flight? The passenger locator forms.

Ryanair have not taken on the task of contact tracing. The government has.

I'd be more concerned if we were relying on private companies to carry out contact tracing.

Plumbthedepths · 28-07-2020 03:43PM

bluelamp wrote: »

This is the governments job. Not Ryanair's.

Who are the passenger locator forms handed to? The government.

Where will you find the details of what passengers were on the flight? The passenger locator forms.

Ryanair have not taken on the task of contact tracing. The government has.

I'd be more concerned if we were relying on private companies to carry out contact tracing.

The article ended by saying it is not known if RA contacted the rest of the passengers.

caveat emptor · 28-07-2020 03:43PM

bluelamp wrote: »

This is the governments job. Not Ryanair's.

Who are the passenger locator forms handed to? The government.

Where will you find the details of what passengers were on the flight? The passenger locator forms.

Ryanair have not taken on the task of contact tracing. The government has.

I'd be more concerned if we were relying on private companies to carry out contact tracing.

Did you read the article?
It's in Germany, Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities THERE.

But nice misdirection.

Planes not safe in my opinion. The science is catching up.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1288115219823091715?s=20

s1ippy · 28-07-2020 03:46PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm outraged actually based on this.......

So while they send emails to inform people of lost teddies they don't inform people that they may have been exposed to someone with covid.

Furthermore they don't enable public health authorities to carry out contact tracing. Bloody disgrace.

Then you wonder why people say planes are safe?
They never follow up ir engage with public health. Genius.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1288059158168731648?s=20

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/28/berlin-couple-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-manchester-visit?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1595930141

bluelamp wrote: »

Ryanair and aer lingus are disinfecting their planes, requiring masks, no queueing allowed onboard, hand sanitiser at boarding gates, no cash handling etc. That's where their responsibility ends and rightly so.

bladespin wrote: »

What are you on about? Ryanair cannot share your data without your permission or some sort of legal order, not sure what you're suggesting they are doing????

So you're in favour of them not engaging with contact tracers after you've been on a plane with somebody who is infected? What kind of a bizarre death wish is that to have for your loved ones.

All these posters lately obnoxiously defending Ryanair... Wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility that they're paid PR for the company.

One look on twitter shows that public opinion of them is in the toilet.

Plumbthedepths · 28-07-2020 03:48PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Did you read the article?
It's in Germany, Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities THERE.

But nice misdirection.

Planes not safe in my opinion. The science is catching up.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1288115219823091715?s=20

Man fails to wear facemask correctly, likely to have contracted Covid on flight. Almost as if his failure to adhere to guidelines was the cause.

Plumbthedepths · 28-07-2020 03:50PM

s1ippy wrote: »

All these posters lately obnoxiously defending Ryanair... Wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility that they're paid PR for the company.

Your hat is on too tight, it's effecting oxygen supply to your brain.
I'm not sure why you are worried about planes, I get the impression you will be staying in a bunker until a vaccine is found.

bluelamp · 28-07-2020 03:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Did you read the article?
It's in Germany, Ryanair not engaging with public health authorities THERE.

But nice misdirection.

Planes not safe in my opinion. The science is catching up.

Do germany not have a government? Private companies should not be relied on for things as important as contact tracing.

Ryanair is an airline, not a healthcare company.

Covid is not going anywhere. Take precautions, take personal responsibility for your health instead of relying on ryanair, and get back to life.

The science is actually saying the exact opposite to your opinion. Flying is very safe while maintaining good hygiene and wearing a mask.

Have you heard of thousands of ryanair and aerlingus cabin crew that caught covid in the early days of the virus? Of course not... because it didnt happen.

s1ippy · 28-07-2020 04:03PM

bluelamp wrote: »

Have you heard of thousands of ryanair and aerlingus cabin crew that caught covid in the early days of the virus? Of course not... because it didnt happen.

Yeah that's the kind of thing they'd definitely be putting out there if they're not even willing to tell people on a specific flight that they've come in contact with a covid carrier.

28-07-2020 04:06PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I cannot put into words how untrue this story is.

Firstly, immigration is largely done by civilian staff not Gardaí.

Secondly Gardaí don't even have remit over the airport on a day to day basis, we have a specific airport police, affiliated to but not under the Garda Siochana umbrella.

Thirdly, people like to stir up conversation on chat shows like this by telling exaggerated truths.

If it was a condition of the emergency Covid payment that you stay in the country then so be it. Don't forget this is a global health emergency.

Well, this didn’t age well, did it? !

tobefrank321 · 28-07-2020 04:08PM

I'd be a big advocate of testing before flying abroad or returning. But its difficult to see how a practical solution can be brought in. It would be great to see a 3 hour turnaround test rolled out at European airports. The problem of air travel has been known since March and there's still no consensus how to roll out fast turnaround tests.

Spain for example now has a peak of 40 cases per 100,000. If 100 Brits were infected there, it seems absurd to punish the other 99,900 with a two week lockdown.

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